No Time To Die: Production Diary

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    Roadphill wrote: »
    Roadphill wrote: »
    Thank god we didn't get Renny Harlin. He is average at best.

    John Woo would have been interesting, but I am not sure I would have enjoyed Bond flying around in slow motion with a PPK in each hand.
    We dodged a bullet on both, I say. You share the same sentiments as I do on both. I like Woo myself, but if he was going to do with Bond what he did with Mission: Impossible II, no thanks. It would have been awful, bad and laughable.

    Indeed. In fairness to Woo, his films do often have spectacular stunt work, like Face Off for example. The only problem is, that without fail they his films are always eye rollingly cheesy. We probably would have got something so outlandish it would have made tidal wave surfing look restrained.
    Exactly. I mean, things like that work for films like Hard Boiled, but not Bond or any sensible spy film for the matter. M:I-II makes Die Another Day look like an intellectual film.

    Renny Harlin no thanks. John Woo couldn't really have been any worse than what we were getting at that time. But the over-stylised fight scenes probably would have aged badly.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Roadphill wrote: »
    Roadphill wrote: »
    Thank god we didn't get Renny Harlin. He is average at best.

    John Woo would have been interesting, but I am not sure I would have enjoyed Bond flying around in slow motion with a PPK in each hand.
    We dodged a bullet on both, I say. You share the same sentiments as I do on both. I like Woo myself, but if he was going to do with Bond what he did with Mission: Impossible II, no thanks. It would have been awful, bad and laughable.

    Indeed. In fairness to Woo, his films do often have spectacular stunt work, like Face Off for example. The only problem is, that without fail they his films are always eye rollingly cheesy. We probably would have got something so outlandish it would have made tidal wave surfing look restrained.
    Exactly. I mean, things like that work for films like Hard Boiled, but not Bond or any sensible spy film for the matter. M:I-II makes Die Another Day look like an intellectual film.

    Renny Harlin no thanks. John Woo couldn't really have been any worse than what we were getting at that time. But the over-stylised fight scenes probably would have aged badly.
    Meaning it could have been worse. Tamahori and Die Another Day are subjective, but the other three Brosnan entries were decent, whether one likes it or not.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    Another article about Denis Villeneuve. This time it shows that Villeneuve could very well be considering to delay the filmprojects he's working on right now ("Cleopatra", "The Son", "Dune"). Because this is one giant orgasmic compliment from the man:
    And with any luck, they may get to work together on the most durably replicating movie franchise of all time: Daniel Craig, who holds considerable influence as its current star, recently named Villeneuve as his first choice to direct the next Bond movie.

    I can’t comment on that,” says Villeneuve. “I know they are talking to a lot of directors.” To take on such a challenge, of course, he would have to succumb to commercial formula for the first time in his career. But it’s a prospect that clearly tempts him. “The thing is, Bond is an old, old wet dream for me,” he admits. “How can you describe it otherwise? It would be an opportunity to approach filmmaking in a pure, playful way. It would be like playing with massive toys. But it all depends on the schedule.
    source: http://www.macleans.ca/culture/movies/how-a-pair-of-canadians-infused-their-dna-into-blade-runner-2049/

    Then again, Denis Villeneuve has a tendency to be very outspoken, openminded and transparant about his cinematic desires. He's kinda cute when he doesn't hold back hehe ;-).

    Anyway, I think co-producer Daniel Craig and producer Barbara Broccoli are trying everything to lure him into doing Craig's farewell-Bond. It hasn't been this obvious before.
    Thanks for posting this new Bond related snipped from a Villeneuve interview, @Gustav_Graves! Would he be your number one choice right now? I'm still very hopeful that he is going to do it, Dune will definitely not be his next film.

    To be very honest: I can both live with Denis Villeneuve and Yann Demange. But, since EON Productions probably want to make the best ever send-off within the Bond franchise (and let's face it, that has never happened before), I can understand Craig's and Broccoli's reasoning for basically kidnapping Villeneuve ;-). I think that this is also the way they are selling the Bond25-project to potential directors: A big, gigantic send-off that will equal the quality of "Casino Royale" and "Skyfall".

    And then Yann Demange is perfect for doing Bond #26 with a new Bond actor. Wouldn't you say?

    Campbell will do 26
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Yann Demange hasn't done anything outside '71. Nothing that's out yet, anyway. What's the fuss about him getting the director's chair? Shouldn't Bond need a more experienced film director?
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    Also, 71 is OK but really nothing special, if you ask me. Nothing in it hints that there is a director who might once be great of the trade.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I haven't seen it myself, but it's just a first. A director at least should have three or four films under his or her belt to demonstrate the image of one's own work. An amount so we'd get an idea what type of a director he/she would be, whether they're suitable or not. Demange has only done one film. We don't know how he'd handle his future works, let alone trusting him with Bond.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Just because BR 2049 did below box office is not indicative of the director-- especially since the film was praised by audiences and critics. DLH has an interesting breakdown of why, although it was greeted so positively, the film didn't well at the B.O.

    A lot has to do with the marketing to a sequel to a cult film made thirty years ago. The appropriate age range went, but the new film couldn't connect with the younger demos.

    Once again, this has nothing to do with the director-- he is being universally praised for hitting another film out of the ballpark-- and everything to do with a very curious source material that would always find it difficult to connect with younger audiences.

    No, Babs isn't looking at B.O., she's looking at quality; after all, Babs knows that JUST releasing a Bond film, regardless of who Bond is, or who the director is, has gotta be worth half a billion at the WW B.O. And from there, any additional dollar sold will then depend on who and what is in the finished product. What a blessed franchise!

    No the B.O. for BR 2049 will not change Villeneuve's dance card.
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    peter wrote: »
    Just because BR 2049 did below box office is not indicative of the director-- especially since the film was praised by audiences and critics. DLH has an interesting breakdown of why, although it was greeted so positively, the film didn't well at the B.O.

    A lot has to do with the marketing to a sequel to a cult film made thirty years ago. The appropriate age range went, but the new film couldn't connect with the younger demos.

    Once again, this has nothing to do with the director-- he is being universally praised for hitting another film out of the ballpark-- and everything to do with a very curious source material that would always find it difficult to connect with younger audiences.

    No, Babs isn't looking at B.O., she's looking at quality; after all, Babs knows that JUST releasing a Bond film, regardless of who Bond is, or who the director is, has gotta be worth half a billion at the WW B.O. And from there, any additional dollar sold will then depend on who and what is in the finished product. What a blessed franchise!

    No the B.O. for BR 2049 will not change Villeneuve's dance card.

    It's a brilliant film BR 2049 and Villeneuve is proving himself to be a very adept director. I don't expect it to do brilliantly BO-wise for the reasons you've outlined. A lot of my friends haven't seen the original, so they are a bit 'meh' about the idea of seeing BR 2049.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I've yet to see Villeneuve craft anything that appeals directly to the masses. His films tend to make the viewer think. They are thematic, have jaw dropping character and visual moments in them (despite being quite leisurely paced by today's standards), and lean towards the serious side.

    Box office will definitely be a consideration of the distributor, even if it might not be for EON. So will profitability. We are at an interesting time with B25, due to the new distributor, the fact that it will be Craig's last (and so it will be more difficult to directly capitalize on its success for a follow up) and the ostensible one picture deal.

    It is possible that there are competing visions on the table, including directors.

    Having seen BR2049, I believe the man they have to get is Roger Deakins. They could combine him with Joe Blow as director for all I care and the film would still be decent enough, as long as P&W do their bit and the cast is up to snuff.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I just hope, if it's under Villeneuve's helm, the next film won't be another Sicario which I found absurdly dull.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @bondjames, an assumption on my part: I think all P&W have to do at the moment is to submit a very strong draft, probably using a lot of Fleming as source material. They will nail down the foundation for B25.

    However, we know whomever directs this will also bring on his own writers as well... Like a Paul Haggis (although I don't think he came through Campbell proper, I'm sure he was hired on to sculpt more of the director's vision into the CR script-- which is usually the case when script-doctors are hired onto a production). The bigger the director (Villeneuve), the more likely he has his handful of writers he likes working with.

    I have hope that the script for B25 will be battle-ready once cameras roll (unlike SP). Nail the script in development and get a strong visionary to execute...
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Having seen BR2049, I believe the man they have to get is Roger Deakins.
    An excellent idea! Deakins has wanted to direct a movie for a long time, and he pretty much co-directed BR 2049 according to Villeneuve. With the help of Barbara Broccoli's and MGW's experience, he could direct a great Bond film.
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    I just hope, if it's under Villeneuve's helm, the next film won't be another Sicario which I found absurdly dull.

    Sicario is brilliant!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2017 Posts: 23,883
    @peter, I'm sure they are spending a lot of time getting the script right, and I agree that final finessing will likely depend on, and be guided by, the eventually selected director's vision & sensibilities.

    Honestly though, I really believe there is more going on than meets the eye, primarily due to the distribution deal. The fact that we've heard a few directors tossed about lately suggests that there are possibly different approaches being considered, perhaps using the same script ideas as base.

    At the end of the day, they have to beg Deakins to come back. BR2049 was great, but Gassner and Deakins were as (if not more) responsible for that than Villeneuve imho. As an example, I personally found Arrival (Bradford Young) to be a 'meh' film visually, but Sicario and Prisoners (both Deakins) were absoutely phenomenal.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited October 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Dennison wrote: »
    I just hope, if it's under Villeneuve's helm, the next film won't be another Sicario which I found absurdly dull.

    Sicario is brilliant!
    I wholeheartedly disagree. It's overrated.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I'm with @Dennison: I love SICARIO... Like PRISONERS, I was mesmerized with the story, and the tension had my stomach in knots.

    But, in the end @ClarkDevlin, we all see and respond to different things in the films we watch!. Although I can't see your perspective on this one, doesn't discount that the fact that Sicario just didn't do it for you. Perhaps I missed your reasons for disliking the film, but I'd surely like to hear so.
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    I also was quite disappointed when I saw it. The trailer (featuring very heavy the bridge scene) had given me the impression that this was a real hell of a ride drug cartel thriller. How wrong I was!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I was expecting a rather comprehensive story out of Sicario, @peter, before I was proved wrong with the experience. For the most part, I didn't understand whatever was going on throughout the movie until at the third act it was revealed that...
    Sicario was Alejandro Gillick (Benicio Del Toro) and the whole point of the run was to execute that cartel crime lord who we learn killed Gillick's family. Whatever Kate (Emily Blunt) was up for, the only thing we learn was that she was just there to accustom federal approval of those mercenaries' actions.

    ...But, these plot points didn't unfold over the course of a sagacious pace. You needed to go back and forth from what you've seen in your mind to connect the dots and see what's taking place. It was a convoluted mess from my perspective and definitely the opposite of an easygoing story. You're going to need multiple viewings to understand it, and for this sort of a film, I don't crave another viewing, nor dying to see it again if at all.

    It reminds me of the time when I couldn't grasp what did I just see in Quantum of Solace back in the day, or what Bond was after, or what was the endgame. It took me some years to fit all the puzzled pieces together. I hope we don't get a Bond film like that at all.

    If we're talking a Craig Bond, and if it's a finale for that run, I'd rather have another Casino Royale in terms of grit and action. Story-wise? Pretty much the same but without that lovey-dovey aspect or the personal connection.
    I also was quite disappointed when I saw it. The trailer (featuring very heavy the bridge scene) had given me the impression that this was a real hell of a ride drug cartel thriller. How wrong I was!
    You and me both, mate.
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    I was expecting a rather comprehensive story out of Sicario, @peter, before I was proved wrong with the experience. For the most part, I didn't understand whatever was going on throughout the movie until at the third act it was revealed that...
    Sicario was Alejandro Gillick (Benicio Del Toro) and the whole point of the run was to execute that cartel crime lord who we learn killed Gillick's family. Whatever Kate (Emily Blunt) was up for, the only thing we learn was that she was just there to accustom federal approval of those mercenaries' actions.

    ...But, these plot points didn't unfold over the course of a sagacious pace. You needed to go back and forth from what you've seen in your mind to connect the dots and see what's taking place. It was a convoluted mess from my perspective and definitely the opposite of an easygoing story. You're going to need multiple viewings to understand it, and for this sort of a film, I don't crave another viewing, nor dying to see it again if at all.

    It reminds me of the time when I couldn't grasp what did I just see in Quantum of Solace back in the day, or what Bond was after, or what was the endgame. It took me some years to fit all the puzzled pieces together. I hope we don't get a Bond film like that at all.

    If we're talking a Craig Bond, and if it's a finale for that run, I'd rather have another Casino Royale in terms of grit and action. Story-wise? Pretty much the same but without that lovey-dovey aspect or the personal connection.
    I also was quite disappointed when I saw it. The trailer (featuring very heavy the bridge scene) had given me the impression that this was a real hell of a ride drug cartel thriller. How wrong I was!
    You and me both, mate.

    Sicario isn't that complicated and it didn't seem convoluted to me on first viewing - all the pieces of the jigsaw steadily fall into place.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @ClarkDevlin, I'm sorry to say old friend that the one thing we are very unlikely to see for Craig's finale is another CR. They've moved quite far from that film in the last 10 years, and if we're all being honest with ourselves, we'll realize that.

    I can completely relate to where you're coming from re: Sicario. I'm very much a visual person, and if characters also interest me then I can be hooked even if the plot is lacking or convoluted.

    So even though I agree with you, I found the film to be visually a treat (Deakins), quite tense and atmospheric (Villeneuve), and I really liked all the characters (particularly Blunt's and the always brilliant Brolin's) and the interactions and emotions between them. In that regard, it reminded me of SF.
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    peter wrote: »
    I'm with @Dennison: I love SICARIO... Like PRISONERS, I was mesmerized with the story, and the tension had my stomach in knots.

    But, in the end @ClarkDevlin, we all see and respond to different things in the films we watch!. Although I can't see your perspective on this one, doesn't discount that the fact that Sicario just didn't do it for you. Perhaps I missed your reasons for disliking the film, but I'd surely like to hear so.

    @peter Have you nicked my avatar deliberately to cause confusion?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    peter wrote: »
    Just because BR 2049 did below box office is not indicative of the director-.

    ???

    It has just premiered.
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    DV treats the audience as adults. He does not patronise them and assumes that the audience will pay attention rather than chat or text on their mobiles. Plus he gives space and time for the story to develope. Can Bond handle the DV treatment? The closest we have come IMHO is with SF. It made tons of cash but we know from this forum that many fans think its slow, lacking action etc etc and too far from a traditional Bond movie. We can also see that, at the other end of the spectrum, QoS has its own fan base but DV is a million miles from the QoS style of Bond.

    I would love it if Bond got the DV treatment but there would be a backlash.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    bondjames wrote: »
    @ClarkDevlin, I'm sorry to say old friend that the one thing we are very unlikely to see for Craig's finale is another CR. They've moved quite far from that film in the last 10 years, and if we're all being honest with ourselves, we'll realize that.

    I can completely relate to where you're coming from re: Sicario. I'm very much a visual person, and if characters also interest me then I can be hooked even if the plot is lacking or convoluted.

    So even though I agree with you, I found the film to be visually a treat (Deakins), quite tense and atmospheric (Villeneuve), and I really liked all the characters (particularly Blunt's and the always brilliant Brolin's) and the interactions and emotions between them. In that regard, it reminded me of SF.
    That may be true, @bondjames, but you never know. Surprises are always bound to happen every now and then.

    Regarding Sicario, there's no doubt it had great visuals in it. One particular scene even, an after-the-sunset landscape as the silhouettes of the soldiers go down with a haunting soundtrack in the background, stands out for me. However, I felt cheated out with the story. See, the way things are depicted, up to the point where Toro's character's true intentions were revealed, we were led to believe that there's a "sicario" out there who's heavily deadly. A triggerman/killer/sniper/whatever whose wrath nobody survives. So, that particular scene that I mentioned with the haunting visuals, I thought these soldiers were marching to their own death. But, it simply was an ambush like any other seen once or twice earlier in the film. And none of them were even engaging after that much construction of a suspenseful anticipation.

    As for the characters, despite the great cast, I found none of them interesting with the exception of Toro's character and his performance. Then again, I love Toro in any role. He's always great. Others, in my opinion, were let down by the bland portrait of their parts. That's just me, though. In comparison, Skyfall is hell of a film. And this one comes from me who hates that film.
    patb wrote: »
    DV treats the audience as adults. He does not patronise them and assumes that the audience will pay attention rather than chat or text on their mobiles. Plus he gives space and time for the story to develope. Can Bond handle the DV treatment? The closest we have come IMHO is with SF. It made tons of cash but we know from this forum that many fans think its slow, lacking action etc etc and too far from a traditional Bond movie. We can also see that, at the other end of the spectrum, QoS has its own fan base but DV is a million miles from the QoS style of Bond.

    I would love it if Bond got the DV treatment but there would be a backlash.
    Sorry, mate, but Skyfall an adult film? It felt like an absolute poor rehash of The Dark Knight with Easter Eggs from old Bond films shoved down our throats. The actions of every character in it didn't make sense as if they deliberately made all the mistakes that led to Silva's victory (whose objective alone was poor, especially for a Bond villain). An adult Bond film is From Russia with Love. And they made hell of a job with it.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @ClarkDevlin, I don't want to go off topic, but do you mind if I ask which bits of the movie gave you the impression that there was some overly deadly sicario closing in on all of them? It's plausible to assume something in a movie like that, but I never got that vibe. Just felt like a straight up, proper drug war thriller to me.

    Though now that I think about it, having the soldiers tussle with some ridiculously talented hitman in those tunnels as the finale would've been intense, or even something akin to the finale of Full Metal Jacket, with them up against someone they can't even see.
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    I prefer Sicario to SF. It's definitely way more impactful for me. But you'd never make a Bond film as violent and dark as Sicario so it's not a fair comparison.
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    I wouldn’t be shocked if it was Dennis or Yann at this rate

    I would argue Spielberg could do it and do it well even now but I know my thoughts and voice will be lost in a series of posts bringing up every bad film the man has done.

    Sorry bring up Crystal Skull all you want but I just don’t think Spielberg would do that dare I say it but IF Bond 25 is based on You Only Live Twice the idea of

    Purvisand Wade doing the script (they are for the record always better at adapting Fleming then when they are left to their own devices see the first 2/3rds of Die Another Day and Casino Royale for proof)

    And Spielberg directing (like he did with Jaws can find the heart of the story)

    Sigh it would probably beat Casino Royale as my favorite bond film of all time...

    However I am still mildly interested in Yann and Dennis so long as Sam Mendes is far away I am happy
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Are we still working off the thought that the aforementioned three directors are still the ones occupying the short list? Or has that most likely changed at this point?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Are we still working off the thought that the aforementioned three directors are still the ones occupying the short list? Or has that most likely changed at this point?
    We don't have any evidence to suggest there is anyone else in the picture at the moment. Given the seals are loose on this operation (the leaks haven't been plugged) I'd imagine we'd have heard if there was anyone else in the frame. The only one who could be a surprise at this point is Sam Mendes.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    @ClarkDevlin, I don't want to go off topic, but do you mind if I ask which bits of the movie gave you the impression that there was some overly deadly sicario closing in on all of them? It's plausible to assume something in a movie like that, but I never got that vibe. Just felt like a straight up, proper drug war thriller to me.

    Though now that I think about it, having the soldiers tussle with some ridiculously talented hitman in those tunnels as the finale would've been intense, or even something akin to the finale of Full Metal Jacket, with them up against someone they can't even see.
    The title indicated me to it, @Creasy47 at first, farther even when we got to the storyline, and that corrupt cop we see in the beginning waking up to his son, lying next to him is some sort of a AK-47 rifle. It gave me the feeling he was that type of a killer who nagged about his "night shift" to his kid one would think he needed time to prepare for a whole clean-up with his trigger-finger. And the fact that there was no villain to see around with the constant moles and conspiracies coming along, as well as the unidentified rival cartel mercenaries whom Jeffrey Donovan's character kept telling how dangerous and vicious they were during that "joyride", I thought we were dealing with a very lethal and ruthless killer who worked for the cartels.
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