The Next American President Thread (2016)

1188189191193194198

Comments

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited November 2016 Posts: 8,383
    Hardly in the spirit of making allies, is it? Now who is fear mongering, eh?
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 6,601
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Trump says he wants to unite the country but given the anti-Trump protests I can't see him achieving much unity. Well, not in the short term. Worrying times for the US but we have to give Mr Trump a chance.

    Especially if he can bring peace between US and Russia.


    Since Putin wants peace, I don't see, how this cannot be worked out. Putin has prooven, he wants peace, because he has had all the right to fight back in those last months with NATO and EU threatening him. Right now, he provved to be the only sane politician out there and I never thought, I would say that. Thanks für Putin cool mind and ability to see, who and why they are doing this.

    BTW - I love, how he just throws them their incompetence right into the face. WOW - not easy to swallow.

  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,578
    Once again, I am left in head-scratching bewilderment at conservative hypocrisy and double-standards. The bubble they live in is beyond unreal. Are you actually listening to yourselves? The inability to self-examine is terrifying.

    There is "horror" at a "F*ck Donald Trump" sign? Seriously? And I'll bet there's been nothing but a mere shrug over the "depictions" of Obama over the years. All good, because it's "free speech."

    original.jpg

    art.obama.protest.sign.cnn.jpg

    wisconsin-1478643796-1330.jpg


  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,383
    Germanlady wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Trump says he wants to unite the country but given the anti-Trump protests I can't see him achieving much unity. Well, not in the short term. Worrying times for the US but we have to give Mr Trump a chance.

    Especially if he can bring peace between US and Russia.


    Since Putin wants peace, I don't see, how this cannot be worked out. Putin has prooven, he wants peace, because he has had all the right to fight back in those last months with NATO and EU threatening him. Right now, he provved to be the only sane politician out there and I never thought, I would say that. Thanks für Putin cool mind and ability to see, who and why they are doing this.

    Yes, meanwhile the rest of Europe has been made to look like fools. I think maybe Trump is doing the right thing defending Putin. Those two could be great allies and deal with ISIS, while the EU is slow to react and allows the terror to continue.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,789
    The Electoral can still reverse this (not that I think they will). It's within their power to change votes that they've pledged, and moreover it's an anonymous process. This is what they were set up to do, but like every other part of my government, I fear they will be action-less here.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,578
    dalton wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Trump says he wants to unite the country but given the anti-Trump protests I can't see him achieving much unity. Well, not in the short term. Worrying times for the US but we have to give Mr Trump a chance.

    We'll give him as much chance as he & the Republican party gave President Obama. What goes around comes around.

    That's about as much of a chance as the current Republican party deserves.

    Unfortunately, that'll mean 4-8 more years of nothing getting done, but it's not as if the Republicans didn't bring it on themselves. Of course, those that will suffer are the American people, but our politicians don't give a crap about us.

    Here is the irony and stupidity of the Republican party all rolled up into one:

    1. Claim that life matters and defund Planned Parenthood, leading to...
    2. More poor women unable to receive proper pre-natal care...
    3. Leading to more birth defects...
    4. Leading to greater need for sevices, except...
    5. Republicans will cut those services because they hate "entitlements"...
    6. Leaving a woman with little in the way of resources to care for a child with developmental challenges.

    You can do this same sort of causal chain with the environment, drinking water, defense spending, and on and on.

    Ain't the GOP grand?
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 3,566
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Dimi, it doesn't matter so much, if and how he is going to solve it - right now!. Seems, he wants to try though. What matters is - that he gets it out there for people to acknowledge. Most people don't realise, just HOW corrupt and perfide their system AND ours (there is no difference) is. For it to change its NECESSARY, absolutely necessary, that first and foremost people understand, what's going on. If he gets nothing done besides getting this message out - over and over, he has done a better job already then all of our corrupt politicians together. He or anybody cannot change this alone. What he or anybody out there needs - is the peoples understanding, so they get his back. He is the chance to change through understanding that all of these accusations are true. That THIS is how politics are done these days and forever. In all countries more or less.

    I am at a loss understanding, how people cannot see this. Pointing his finger towards them for the sake of truth AND of course, for winning votes and turning it in their wounds doesn't make his own shortcomings any better - but it proofs, he has either the guts or his ego has the illusion, he can't be harmed. Doesn't matter - its exactly what we need NOW! Lets say, he is the one, who is preparing a change in trying to give people the chance to see behind the curtains. Lets see, how long he is going to survive this. But they already lost. If he keeps talking, they (the corrupt elite) are damned, if they kill him, the same.

    Kennedy tried to screw with the kartell for the better of his country - you know the outcome. They got away with it back then. I doubt they will this time. We will see.

    GL, I don't see how you or anybody can ascribe such noble motives to Trump based on his entire previous history. He is at base a selfish, egotistical blowhard -- or has been for his whole life so far. People just don't change that much this late in life.
    Germanlady wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Trump says he wants to unite the country but given the anti-Trump protests I can't see him achieving much unity. Well, not in the short term. Worrying times for the US but we have to give Mr Trump a chance.

    We'll give him as much chance as he & the Republican party gave President Obama. What goes around comes around.

    The Republicans blocked Obama, but Trump already? Think again.
    Anyway - he will get hell from his own party, especially with those three, who will do a good job in working pro Democrats. So, sleep quietly, he will have the same problems.

    You keep not quite understanding what I've said but at least you're trying so thanks for that. It's not that the Republicans are going to block Trump, but rather, the system and THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES. Trump is trying to back off some of his more controversial statements now...and his own base is saying, "No, you can't! You have to give us all the impossible things you promised and if you don't then YOU will be the one to feel our wrath next!" Meanwhile, California is looking to secceed and if Brexit was any indication, hey we just might! Trump had no idea what an impossible job he was taking on and if we all do indeed survive his residency then he's in for a very rough four years.

    And here's Joni Mitchell again. "Both Sides Now" Aw, look...how cute they all are... let's see: Mama Cass is dead now... Mary Travers is dead now... Joni's still hanging in there, though...

  • Posts: 6,601
    Again - so far nobody cared to answer my question - DO you or DON'T you believe anything he is saying in that vid? The one about corruption etc. If not, WHY not? Because it cannot be? Because that would make him look like a saint in comparison?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,789
    TripAces wrote: »
    dalton wrote: »
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Trump says he wants to unite the country but given the anti-Trump protests I can't see him achieving much unity. Well, not in the short term. Worrying times for the US but we have to give Mr Trump a chance.

    We'll give him as much chance as he & the Republican party gave President Obama. What goes around comes around.

    That's about as much of a chance as the current Republican party deserves.

    Unfortunately, that'll mean 4-8 more years of nothing getting done, but it's not as if the Republicans didn't bring it on themselves. Of course, those that will suffer are the American people, but our politicians don't give a crap about us.

    Here is the irony and stupidity of the Republican party all rolled up into one:

    1. Claim that life matters and defund Planned Parenthood, leading to...
    2. More poor women unable to receive proper pre-natal care...
    3. Leading to more birth defects...
    4. Leading to greater need for sevices, except...
    5. Republicans will cut those services because they hate "entitlements"...
    6. Leaving a woman with little in the way of resources to care for a child with developmental challenges.

    You can do this same sort of causal chain with the environment, drinking water, defense spending, and on and on.

    Ain't the GOP grand?
    Not just a GOP thing, but they do do it best.
    The problem is you should pick a desired goal or effect, then reverse engineer to achieve it.
    Standard government procedure unfortunately is to tend to problems by creating other problems in a non-linear and illogical fashion.
  • Posts: 1,970
    chrisisall wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    I haven't been on here since before election night. WOOT WOOT my guy won!!!! Im very happy Trump won. I voted for him and i am very proud of it. The GOP controls everything!!!
    Yes, but, uhhh, when things go south, who will they have to blame-?

    idk
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,789
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    I haven't been on here since before election night. WOOT WOOT my guy won!!!! Im very happy Trump won. I voted for him and i am very proud of it. The GOP controls everything!!!
    Yes, but, uhhh, when things go south, who will they have to blame-?

    idk
    Precisely.
  • Posts: 4,619
    chrisisall wrote: »
    The Electoral can still reverse this (not that I think they will). It's within their power to change votes that they've pledged, and moreover it's an anonymous process. This is what they were set up to do, but like every other part of my government, I fear they will be action-less here.

    Are you out of your mind? The electors reversing this would lead to CIVIL WAR and possibly the end of the United States of America.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,145
    GL, I do NOT believe that Trump will be able to tackle the problems he addresses in that wonderfully cut and spin-doctored speech of his, the type of videos The Simpsons have been making fun of since the late 80s. I do NOT believe that Trump will create a climate of change that everyone, and not just the rich, will benefit from. I do NOT believe this man has suddenly seen the light... You're seeing Jesus Trump. I'm seeing Adolf Trump. I guess the actual Trump will be somewhere in the middle. I *hope* the actual Trump is somewhere in the middle...
  • I don't believe that he believes a word that he's saying. I don't believe he'd know the truth if it bit him on his bloated butt. He's traded in lies for so long that it's all the same to him. Truth, lies, what's the difference? The only thing that matters is how wonderful is the world of All Things Trump. Yes, we all know the system is corrupt to some extent, and we allow it because it's the way things get done. One hand washes the other, you get yours & I get mine. The breakdown has come because the people just like Trump have stopped letting the money trickle down the way they used to...and now it's just "piss on 'em -- I've got mine & I'm keeping theirs too." And if you think for a moment that Trump's really in this to change that, rather than just wanting to make sure he's in a position to get a bigger slice of the pie that's being redistributed...then I've got a Hill I want to sell you.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,789
    chrisisall wrote: »
    The Electoral can still reverse this (not that I think they will). It's within their power to change votes that they've pledged, and moreover it's an anonymous process. This is what they were set up to do, but like every other part of my government, I fear they will be action-less here.

    Are you out of your mind? The electors reversing this would lead to CIVIL WAR and possibly the end of the United States of America.
    No, it would not. Hillary won the popular vote, and the Electoral College would be fully within the law to do that. Please don't be so melodramatic. ;))
  • chrisisall wrote: »
    The Electoral can still reverse this (not that I think they will). It's within their power to change votes that they've pledged, and moreover it's an anonymous process. This is what they were set up to do, but like every other part of my government, I fear they will be action-less here.

    Are you out of your mind? The electors reversing this would lead to CIVIL WAR and possibly the end of the United States of America.

    And what we have now is an undeclared Civil War. Why not get it out in the open then?

    Ah, I'm just being facetious. Insert a big ol' smiley icon somewhere. But don't you understand, Pancho? THIS IS JUST REAPING WHAT HAS BEEN SOWN over the last eight years of Trump claiming that Obama wasn't really eligible to be President, the Republicans in Congress dragging their feet on every single thing he tried to do (please remember that Obamacare was nothing other than Romney's health care plan dressed up in Democratic bunting) and right wing talk media (including most definitely Faux News) doing their best to denigrate everything and everyone Democratic. You planted it, you tended it, now get you get to harvest it. Happy Thanksgiving!

  • Posts: 4,622
    Germanlady wrote: »
    DD, why don't you answer my question instead of repeating the same old hate?
    Have you seen the vid? Has anybody here bothered even? And if so - nothing in yourself wants to know, whether or not its true? That leave ME confused and somewhat sad.

    But nevermind, the truth comes out more and more until even the last person has understood, how this game is played out. There will be a time, when you will remember me. "Oh, GL was right after all"
    That's an excellent speech @GL. Thanks for posting. That's not exactly why I supported him.
    I'd already given up on any meaningful resistance to all powerful global banking interests as represented by the likes of the Bush-Clinton dynasties and corporate media
    I supported him because he represents a sensible conservative approach to both social and economic policy.
    His approach on social policy such as health care is refreshing. He's focused on what might actually work, as opposed to an ideological approach ie government must provide and damn the costs and inefficiencies. You can see the gist of his approach in the post-election tv intv with 60 Minutes. Frustrating for the reporter whose dying for a gotcha moment.
    He will get the Keystone pipeline flowing from Alberta, which is long overdue.
    The fact that he was subjected to one of the most vicious and pernicious smear campaigns even by modest jackal-hyena liberal standards is telling.
    But elections at this level, even in Canada, are bloodsport. Deliberate and calculated misrepresentations and distortions of what your opponent is actually saying is standard operating procedure. Although the liberal smear tactics this time out grossly overreached. The pre-inclined will naturally lap it up, but normal people or less partisan types, which is who you are trying to reach, have far less tolerance for the sanctimonious hectoring, which we saw amped up to decibel shattering levels in this campaign.
    The Hillary as she-devil attacks were over-the-top too, but didn't reach the same fevered level of desperation and vitriol as the anti-Trump bleatings, IMHO of course.
    Although I do think the Stones lyrics I quoted, "she's worst thing in this world and "lies, lies you dirty Jezebel.." do resonate and jive with the hyperbolic tone of the campaign.
    Now that the bloodsport is over, Trump can relax, ("the bitch is dead" Fleming, Casino Royale)amp down the rhetoric,and get down to working with Paul Ryan and others on reviewing, and moving forward various and sundry legislation.
    Nominating a conservative Supreme Court justice with a decentralized, states-rights friendly approach need be priority too.
    The problem with liberal judges, is not so much what they believe (diversity of opinion is normal) but their tendency to overreach. America is a political union of 50 unique states. One size does not fit all.
    So part two art two of the political equation, the art of getting things done, after the election battle has been won, is now upon the Donald.




  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,789
    @timmer, why do you hate Star Trek?
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 4,622
    The popular vote was roughly a 50-50 as it usually is.
    It's a piece of statisical data that like all statistical data requires context.

    Ergo, its import is trumped by the reality of the Electoral College.
    CNN explained this reality very clearly in their election night coverage ie parties aren't trying to win the overall popular vote.
    Rather they purposely target their finite resources, on a state-by-state, region-by-region, even county-by-county basis. For Trump, squeezing another 500 votes out of a targeted county in Florida is more important than expending resources in trying to reduce big gaps in various regions of California for example. Go nuts in California, you might pull some votes and bump your broader pop vote, but then you might lose the Florida electoral college as well as California.
    Both Trump and Clinton were visiting targeted areas as many as three times in one week, towards the end.
    If the election was one big national referendum style plebiscite, rather than a campaign to capture a coalition of states all-in, you would see vastly different campaign approaches.
    Platforms would be generalized and vaguer than they are now.
    Parties would be targeting the pop vote only.
    They would have to take a very generalist approach so as not to alienate anyone.
    We'd really have little idea what they stood for.
    The pop vote within the context of the Electoral College system is not reflective of a broader plebiscite outside the EC results, but rather is fallout from the targeted strategies employed by the candidates in their bids to win the EC.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,789
    That doesn't explain why you hate Star Trek, though...
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 4,622
    chrisisall wrote: »
    @timmer, why do you hate Star Trek?

    Funny :)) no not a fan of the federation I guess.
    I do love original Star Trek, especially Kirk's earnestness, chivalry and love of the femmes
    I even like the rebooted new Trek of fresh adventures of the old gang, although too bad about the new Ckekhov.
    The bald guy and his bunch though, have never interested me, nor any of the other spinoffs.
    More of a Kirk fan.

    In a similar vein, I do love the whole BSG saga.
    I bought the complete series on blu-ray.I haven't re-watched it yet but I am sure it will look awesome!
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,789
    But... the politics of the Star Trek Earth & Federation are clearly socially & economically progressive- !?!?!?!
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 4,622
    Yes warp speed tech is very progressive, so are some of Uhara's skirt get-ups, not to mention the bevy of interplanetary Miss Universe candidates that Kirk frolics with on his travels.

    :x
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 4,622
    I support the politics of Kirk.
    Smooch the girls and fight the Klingons.....and tell Spock to stuff it from time to time

  • Posts: 6,601
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    GL, I do NOT believe that Trump will be able to tackle the problems he addresses in that wonderfully cut and spin-doctored speech of his, the type of videos The Simpsons have been making fun of since the late 80s. I do NOT believe that Trump will create a climate of change that everyone, and not just the rich, will benefit from. I do NOT believe this man has suddenly seen the light... You're seeing Jesus Trump. I'm seeing Adolf Trump. I guess the actual Trump will be somewhere in the middle. I *hope* the actual Trump is somewhere in the middle...

    I asked you a simple question - do you believe, what he said abourt Hillary and co OR NOT?

    ...and tell me, where I wrote, he would be able to do all the things you mentioned.

    I said - its GOOD he has no fear to SAY all these things for the world o hear aand hence making the powerful tremble in their seats. About time.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,383
    Yes, Trump admits that as a billionaire business man he takes advantage of the system. He is sacrificing himself to expose all the others that are doing the same. That is admirable, even if you don't like the language he uses.
  • Posts: 7,653
    the problem is not Trump being elected but the fact that Both houses in the US are being Republican run. These were the same people that tried to stop Obama from implementering laws and economical repairs.

    Trump wants to invest into the American infrastructure, something Obama has been stopped from doing time after time by Republican vote, and the Republican party has already said that this is not high on their list op priorities. High on that list is the reversing anything Obama has done to improve the US. This is not the act of a politicial party that whats the best for the US but a party that has shown hate for the last six years and with them coming to power I fear the worst for the the citizens in favor of big bucks.

    Look at the folks who are now working the transition for the governments they are in all cases lobbyists for major cooperations.

    So I fear for the US voters who voted for change but in doing so chose for a fox in the hen house.

    As for Hillary with such a long career in politics she is bound to have some skeletons in the cupboard. I she flawless I am sure she was not, but she never set the tone of the political debate. Trump did in the Republican primaries and continued during the race being a racist. sexist, xenofoob, tax dodger and liar.
    I am not convinced that Trump is not like that at all, if it is only showmanship it still was an awful show that did indeed cheer on the racists, sexists, xenophobes and big business.
    That said I expect he'll be impeached fairly soon in favor of his vice president Pence, because he is somebody the Republicans can work with. As he us one of their own.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,789
    SaintMark wrote: »
    So I fear for the US voters who voted for change but in doing so chose for a fox in the hen house.

    Just not the fox they thought. Trump will be impeached & Pence will take over. Then the children will be taught creationism in science classes whilst their stomachs growl because of food stamps being cut in areas where the government doesn't give a crap to fund the tax cuts on the 1%.
    "We The People"?
    Just a bunch of Socialist malarkey.
  • Posts: 1,631
    I very much doubt that Trump will be impeached. Now that he's in office and has most certainly had a massive reality check (no doubt provided by his first security briefing and his meetings with Congressional leaders), I don't see a Republican-led Congress having the appetite to impeach him. Quite the opposite, in fact, as I'd imagine they're licking their chops now that they have a president who is clearly going to be in over his head and who they can, perhaps in a relatively short period of time, turn into their puppet.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    Posts: 17,789
    dalton wrote: »
    I very much doubt that Trump will be impeached. Now that he's in office and has most certainly had a massive reality check (no doubt provided by his first security briefing and his meetings with Congressional leaders), I don't see a Republican-led Congress having the appetite to impeach him. Quite the opposite, in fact, as I'd imagine they're licking their chops now that they have a president who is clearly going to be in over his head and who they can, perhaps in a relatively short period of time, turn into their puppet.
    Well, I think they'll throw him under the bus when his court s**t comes up. But actually, it will work for them either way, I guess.
This discussion has been closed.