The Bond Movies & Actors I Can't Stand (Negativity Only Please)

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  • Well next you find your best friends wife murdered I'll remind you to restrain your emotions and give a subtle frown of consternation. Much better.
  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    bondjames wrote: »
    1989 was a year for epic larger than life entries (what with the introduction of movie Bat and the return of Indiana Jones etc.) and LTK was anything but that. I'm sure that hurt its appeal with most fans and casual movie goers, which is a pity because it's a unique Bond entry, if decidedly low key.

    Oh it's timing was awful! And in the case of the makers it was a case of too much too soon with regards to this strange new Bond.

    I can never understand why fans think this is faithful to Fleming. Yes His books were violent and sometimes sadistic but they always had that edge of fantasy about them which through his skill as a writer made plausible.

    LTK to me is almost anti-Fleming in its duff revenge story with violence thrown in just for the sake of it.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    bondjames wrote: »
    1989 was a year for epic larger than life entries (what with the introduction of movie Bat and the return of Indiana Jones etc.) and LTK was anything but that. I'm sure that hurt its appeal with most fans and casual movie goers, which is a pity because it's a unique Bond entry, if decidedly low key.

    I go back and forth with LTK. It has a top 5 Bond performance in it, but there are just so many head scratching scenes in it. That bar fight is out of another film altogether, as is Q popping up in the middle of this dark revenge flick. Then the Bond girls seem to turn on a dime. One minute they're sassy, then they're niave. One minute they hate Bond, the next they love him.

    But my biggest problem with LTK is that Bond attempts to go undercover AFTER he has already given himself away to most of Sachez's outfit. What if Milton Crest or Dario just happened to be inside the casino with Samchez? All they would have to do is say "hey that guys a spy, I've seen him before" and Bond is dead.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    1989 was a year for epic larger than life entries (what with the introduction of movie Bat and the return of Indiana Jones etc.) and LTK was anything but that. I'm sure that hurt its appeal with most fans and casual movie goers, which is a pity because it's a unique Bond entry, if decidedly low key.

    I go back and forth with LTK. It has a top 5 Bond performance in it, but there are just so many head scratching scenes in it. That bar fight is out of another film altogether, as is Q popping up in the middle of this dark revenge flick. Then the Bond girls seem to turn on a dime. One minute they're sassy, then they're niave. One minute they hate Bond, the next they love him.

    But my biggest problem with LTK is that Bond attempts to go undercover AFTER he has already given himself away to most of Sachez's outfit. What if Milton Crest or Dario just happened to be inside the casino with Samchez? All they would have to do is say "hey that guys a spy, I've seen him before" and Bond is dead.

    It's in my top 5. But how can Bond withdraw all the cash to plant it on krest's boat and Sanchez isn't informed of the withdrawal?

    Actually, I would have liked Bond to ingratiate himself with Sanchez more. For me he's too quick to start implying everyone around him is a traitor; if I had been Sanchez I would have been suspicious that he's so obvious with his insinuations. But you're right he had to act fast because he could have been given away at any time.

  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    bondjames wrote: »
    1989 was a year for epic larger than life entries (what with the introduction of movie Bat and the return of Indiana Jones etc.) and LTK was anything but that. I'm sure that hurt its appeal with most fans and casual movie goers, which is a pity because it's a unique Bond entry, if decidedly low key.

    I go back and forth with LTK. It has a top 5 Bond performance in it, but there are just so many head scratching scenes in it. That bar fight is out of another film altogether, as is Q popping up in the middle of this dark revenge flick. Then the Bond girls seem to turn on a dime. One minute they're sassy, then they're niave. One minute they hate Bond, the next they love him.

    But my biggest problem with LTK is that Bond attempts to go undercover AFTER he has already given himself away to most of Sachez's outfit. What if Milton Crest or Dario just happened to be inside the casino with Samchez? All they would have to do is say "hey that guys a spy, I've seen him before" and Bond is dead.

    I know, and I got shouted down for saying this film turns Bond into a buffoon!!!!
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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    Someone said once "you can't act James Bond, you have to be James Bond." Dalton acted too much too often.

    Notable exceptions in my opinion include the Bond Kara argument scene when she calls Bond a horse's arse and the Bond/M scenes.

    funny accusing that of the one guy who was determined to play Bond as Ian Fleming intended.

    Yes that is odd. I was a fan and supporter of Dalton with he was first cast and I am now again but I still have the same gripe against him.

  • LeonardPineLeonardPine The Bar on the Beach
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    Well next you find your best friends wife murdered I'll remind you to restrain your emotions and give a subtle frown of consternation. Much better.

    It wasn't that he shouldn't be emotional seeing his best friends murdered wife, it's just the fact his acting was crap and unconvincing.

    Bond may as well have been discovering his pet Hamster dead on the bed for all the emotional clout the scene mustered.
  • edited April 2016 Posts: 11,189
    Moving away from Dalton, I'm now not so sure about Hedison's performance in that scene either. The way he mutters "Della!!" as he comes too feels really cheesy and quite melodramatic. Maybe the writing is more to blame for that though.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Moving away from Dalton, I'm now not so sure about Hedison's performance in that scene either. The way he mutters "Della!!" as he comes too feels really cheesy.
    What about "See you in hell!!!!!!!" He gives Sanchez this venomous look as well. It's a pity, because I liked Hedison's Felix, but wish they hadn't maimed the poor fella in LTK.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    The one scene that annoys me about Craig in his whole tenure is when he is outside the elevator with Vesper. As he explains why he gave his real name, he moves his head around with each word he says. It's world apart from what Moore or Connery would do. Both these guys could give orders to anyone while hardly moving a muscle, and everyone would carry out their orders. Which is why I really enjoy Craig in QOS - even if his character is 'broken' in the film, his acting remains very restraint and in control of the situation.
  • edited April 2016 Posts: 11,189
    bondjames wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Moving away from Dalton, I'm now not so sure about Hedison's performance in that scene either. The way he mutters "Della!!" as he comes too feels really cheesy.
    What about "See you in hell!!!!!!!" He gives Sanchez this venomous look as well. It's a pity, because I liked Hedison's Felix, but wish they hadn't maimed the poor fella in LTK.

    Yes, I felt that moment seemed a bit cheesy too. I like Hedison and his Felix as well but I'm not so sure he's all that great an actor. He is good though when he's cornered by the goons in his house. You can see the sudden surge of panic in his eyes.

    Another not so good moment from Hedison is when he shouts "SANCHEZ" when he first sees him in the PTS.

    In the audio commentary I think Hedison criticises his own performance during some of those early scenes.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Another not so good moment from Hedison is when he shouts "SANCHEZ" when he first sees him in the PTS.
    Which reminds me. Isn't there some kind of slow motion scene during the PTS where they are all running. For some reason I'm recalling that. Like a Marvel superhero 'all for one' moment.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Another not so good moment from Hedison is when he shouts "SANCHEZ" when he first sees him in the PTS.
    Which reminds me. Isn't there some kind of slow motion scene during the PTS where they are all running. For some reason I'm recalling that. Like a Marvel superhero 'all for one' moment.

    There's a random shot (accompanied by dramatic music) when Felix and the two DEA agents are filmed in slow motion running towards Sanchez's plane. As I said it's...random.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Personally I do like Dalton's acting style. I really do. In both TLD and LTK he just shines in every scene. He is my favourite of course of the 6.
    In the 80's "overacting" was quite usual I think, so it doesn't really bother me.
    Just watch Star Trek TNG and you'll think Dalton and Co are underacting (or whatever the opposite of overacting is) :))
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    Well as its been pointed out, Dalton is a stage actor, and so his performance echoes this. He is still the best for me, as I just felt he did so much more with the role than any previous actor! I don't agree with criticisms here about overacting. I think its the many smaller moments that Dalton showed in the role that impressed. Watch him actively listening to M after the Blayden house escape, or exhaling cigarette smoke in suspicion at Koskovs theory, reacting to a horrible cup of coffee in his meeting with Saunders. in LTK, eyeing up Pam as she disrobes the overalls, or getting ready to pounce on the villain who announces "Let me get it" to the bar tab, or best of all, after Sanchez demise, sitting on the rock, exhausted, relieved, and rather disgusted, that the entire business is now over! if this is overacting, I'll take it over Brosnans anonymous performance, who came across as an extra and not the leading actor!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    if this is overacting, I'll take it over Brosnans anonymous performance, who came across as an extra and not the leading actor!
    That is a good point. I'll admit that GE was the first Bond film where I felt the lead actor was being seriously overshadowed by the entire cast (not just the villain). I recall it vividly, because I was a big proponent of Brosnan before he actually got the role (he seemed perfect on paper) but it was definitely noticeable in comparison to all his predecessors, including Dalton & Lazenby. He was better in TND but I think the supporting cast wasn't quite as good either, which helped. GE's crew were top notch & highly charismatic - all of them.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Finally some sense.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    if this is overacting, I'll take it over Brosnans anonymous performance, who came across as an extra and not the leading actor!
    That is a good point. I'll admit that GE was the first Bond film where I felt the lead actor was being seriously overshadowed by the entire cast (not just the villain). I recall it vividly, because I was a big proponent of Brosnan before he actually got the role (he seemed perfect on paper) but it was definitely noticeable in comparison to all his predecessors, including Dalton & Lazenby. He was better in TND but I think the supporting cast wasn't quite as good either, which helped. GE's crew were top notch & highly charismatic - all of them.

    But that has nothing to do with Brosnan's screen presence or acting skills.
    It's a fact, EON stepped up in the casting department once Brosnan arrived.
    GE to DAD all have very strong ensemble casts. Something EON continued with Craig luckily.

    @Thunderfinger
    that's some sense :))
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    GE to DAD all have very strong ensemble casts.
    Oh dear. First the codename theory and now this. Today is not going well.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    bondjames wrote: »
    GE to DAD all have very strong ensemble casts.
    Oh dear. First the codename theory and now this. Today is not going well.

    This never happened to the other fellow.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I feel like there's a civil war breaking out in the community.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I feel like there's a civil war breaking out in the community.

    It s been going on for a long time. We are losing.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    GE to DAD having "very strong ensemble casts"? That depends on how one may define the term these days.
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    GE by far had the best ensemble cast in the Brosnan era. IMO a stronger supporting cast than LTK but maybe not as good as TLD. The rest were somewhat patchy.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    bondjames wrote: »
    GE to DAD all have very strong ensemble casts.
    Oh dear. First the codename theory and now this. Today is not going well.

    ha ha, ok I omit DAD from that list. But you have to admit that Rosamund Pike was fabulous in it!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Gottfried John was good in GE, and Tcheky Kario, but who else?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    GE to DAD all have very strong ensemble casts.
    Oh dear. First the codename theory and now this. Today is not going well.

    ha ha, ok I omit DAD from that list. But you have to admit that Rosamund Pike was fabulous in it!
    Actually in all honesty the cast wasn't bad. They just made a hash out of the dialogue and scenes that they put them in. Toby, Halle and even Rick Yune can be good with the right material. As I said elsewhere yesterday, I think they just screwed up the vision completely - going for full on camp.
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    Coltrane, Scorropco, Famke, Dench and Kitchen. Bean's a good man-of-action but he overplays things sometimes.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Gottfried John was good in GE, and Tcheky Kario, but who else?

    You are joking of course!?!

    Famke Janssen?
    Judi Dench?
    Sean Bean???
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Don't forget Minnie driver.
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