No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2016 Posts: 23,883
    The best bit about that clip is the MP staredown at the end. I like how she steps forward slightly in an intimidating manner. 'C' gets the award from me for the most useless character in a Bond film since Elvis.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    RC7 wrote: »
    And to think people were still insisting post-SP that Scott would've made a better ESB than Waltz. It's just laughable. There was a discussion the other day about having a peer from an international agency for him to go up against (in fact Gogol was mentioned) which I would welcome. I'd love to see Fiennes going toe to toe with another heavy-weight actor.

    Laughable to say the least. Andrew Scott is a terrible actor.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Snake on a plane of being
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    Looks like Tanner should get his own thread instead of infesting this one, like he did with the last few films.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited February 2016 Posts: 9,117
    AceHole wrote:
    Cinematic Bond is long overdue a proper Blades' scene with those two, and Fiennes + Craig seem the ideal combo to put that MR chapter to film...

    If they actually filmed that scene as written I would spunk my wad in the cinema.

    Never going to happen of course because people don't understand the mechanics of bridge.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Snake on a plane of being
    Posts: 42,437
    AceHole wrote:
    Cinematic Bond is long overdue a proper Blades' scene with those two, and Fiennes + Craig seem the ideal combo to put that MR chapter to film...

    If they actually filmed that scene as written I would spunk my wad in the cinema.

    Never going to happen of course because people don't understand the mechanics of spunk.

    Thank the monkey god!
  • Posts: 13,398
    Walecs wrote: »
    RC7 wrote: »
    And to think people were still insisting post-SP that Scott would've made a better ESB than Waltz. It's just laughable. There was a discussion the other day about having a peer from an international agency for him to go up against (in fact Gogol was mentioned) which I would welcome. I'd love to see Fiennes going toe to toe with another heavy-weight actor.

    Laughable to say the least. Andrew Scott is a terrible actor.

    I don't think he is bad, just overrated (by his fans especially) and rather one note. He plays adequately slimy characters. I was never impressed by his Moriarty, far too exuberant to show either menace or gravitas.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Scott's Moriarty is so overrated it boggles the mind. He's a decent enough actor but I too don't see what so many people do see in him. He's serviceable and OTT. Jared Harris was a better Moriarty and Charles Augustus Magnussen was a much better villain in Sherlock.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
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    He was so slimy. I enjoyed seeing him pull a Hans Gruber a fitting end for a slimy Spectre lackie.
  • edited February 2016 Posts: 267
    I didn't think Scott was necessarily bad in the role - it was just a useless role/character that was terribly written - much like the rest of Spectre.

    I would love to see scenes of M & Bond playing bridge or Bond & Tanner playing golf. Give them more screen time like that, but keep them the hell out of the field with Bond.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 I've missed you all.
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    One of my biggest pet peeves with SP was how wasted Scott was. I find him to be phenomenal, and, as I feared the moment he was announced as cast, he was used to fill out yet another villain role. It's a damn shame.
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    "I would love to see scenes of M & Bond playing bridge or Bond & Tanner playing golf."

    Agreed, they need time to build up the relationships and contrast with the action, give the characters room to breath.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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  • ggl007 wrote: »

    My guess: Only if a buyer were to decide to plow under the property for condos. Pinewood is doing pretty well financially (it has expanded into the US and Canada). I would guess any buyer would want Pinewood to stay in the studio business. On occasions when studio property got torn down, the studio in question wasn't do very well financially, i.e. MGM in the early 1970s.
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    patb wrote: »
    "I would love to see scenes of M & Bond playing bridge or Bond & Tanner playing golf."

    Agreed, they need time to build up the relationships and contrast with the action, give the characters room to breath.

    This is what I've been saying for years but it just never happens. The characters were given a little time to breath in CR and SF but not enough. I saw The Saint (1997) with Val Kilmer (nice soundtrack by the way) and this is a solid action thriller, not just an action film, and it has an admirable amount of character movement. The same goes for The Assignment which is from the same year. I remember Tomorrow Never Dies which came out the same year and this movie had practically no character development.
  • edited February 2016 Posts: 4,431
    There were glimmers in SF, the scene in her flat and I also like the discussion about the obituary working before the raid. It takes guts and vision for writers/directors to have "quiet time" in their movies in the days of constant action and fast edits etc.
    I digress but classic westerns were really good at this (much of The Mag Seven is just guys talking), using these scenes for the audience to get insight into the characters plus it ratchets up the tension in anticipation of the action that will always come. And I really do think that audiences respond to these scenes.
    IMHO Bond needs some quality screen time with M and Fiennes needs some quality screen time with Craig (their acting abilities are not properly shown during action sequences), if not, it will go down as another missed opportunity.
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    For me since we are discussing/ comparing bond to non bond thrillers for me my top 5 non bond spy thrillers ranks like this

    1. Mission Impossible Rogue Nation
    2. Captain America The Winter Soldier (which spectre stole from but meh)
    3. Mission Impossible Ghost Protocol
    4. Non- Stop
    5. The Bourne Legacy

    and honestly I would probably put these five films above Spectre and Skyfall (however Quantum of solace and Casino Royale would be above these)... I love that mendes an Oscar winner is a huge bond fan and I love the talent he brought in with these films names like Javiar Bardem and Christoph Waltz again very happy the issue is the films above have more interesting villains better plots better action and for the most part are largely non personal (not really delving into the back story of the main character but focusing on the tension of the situation) Hell Winter Soldier did Spectre better then Spectre. I sit back and think is it Purvis and Wade surely everyone hits their peak at some point And maybe they did with Royale and Solace... but then I read Logan's nearly oked draft and think nope... is it the producers? Well to be fair Albert R Broccoli and Harry Saltzman also made a lot of bone headed films and got complacent at times (You Only Live Twice Diamonds are forever and The Man with the golden gun for starters hell I would probably through Goldfinger in the list of complacency films but I would be burned and tortured for ever mentioning that) so even if it is Michael and Babs surely they will "bounce back"... Really the only common thread I can find that might be the reason the last two were as poor as they were was Mendes. True Spectre was a bit better then Skyfall (Again the fact that there was so much color and warm tones through out the film was amazing after Grayfall I mean Skyfall) but over all the film just felt ok and middle of the road same with Skyfall (which is starting to make me sadly glad Dalton only did two because had he done 3 or 4 or 5 maybe he too would of suffered mediocre films). Do I think Bond 25 will be horrible no honestly I don't because I have been following films with a keen eye on the development cycle since 2000 (god 16 years where does the time go) and I have seen ideas go from fruition to film that I thought were going to be stupid and complete bombs (Iron man and Rocky Balboa honestly) that were amazing movies and I have seen films I thought were gonna be brilliant (The Dark Knight Rises and Skyfall to be honest) that wound up being poor or ok in my opinion. So it depends on where the muses go I suppose Do I have hopes for the future of the series of course (two more from Craig 1 more dealing with the end of Spectre and Blofeld and then Craig's Man with the Golden Gun dealing with 007 and an unrelated mission and then maybe a trilogy from Nolan or Gilroy with Hiddleston as 007 taking on a reformed Smersh after which Hiddleston stays for 2 more films)

    What is interesting is I am dealing with a lot of doom and gloom over another famous agent's next project MacGyver. With talks of both a tv show and film you think MacGyver fans would be rejoicing but nope all complaints and fear without so much as a casting notice or hell a trailer. I feel the same about Bond 25 it could become an amazing bond film righting the "wrongs of spectre" or it could be worse... we shall see but it's way to early to complain about the film as honestly we know more about the new MacGyver tv show then we do about Bond 25 (all we know is producers and certain cast will return outside of that we have no writers no director no location nothing)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2016 Posts: 23,883
    patb wrote: »
    There were glimmers in SF, the scene in her flat and I also like the discussion about the obituary working before the raid. It takes guts and vision for writers/directors to have "quiet time" in their movies in the days of constant action and fast edits etc.
    I digress but classic westerns were really good at this (much of The Mag Seven is just guys talking), using these scenes for the audience to get insight into the characters plus it ratchets up the tension in anticipation of the action that will always come. And I really do think that audiences respond to these scenes.
    IMHO Bond needs some quality screen time with M and Fiennes needs some quality screen time with Craig (their acting abilities are not properly shown during action sequences), if not, it will go down as another missed opportunity.
    They did this quite well recently in CR (twice with M - once in the flat and once in the Bahamas) as well as in QoS (both scenes with Mathis - once in Italy and once on the plane). I agree that we need to see more of this. Such a simple concept, and sometimes missed. It helps to ground the film - give us a break from it all and then we're ready to get back into the swing of it. Furthermore, it just helps us to see actors bond (no pun intended) and relationships properly develop. That should have been done in the opening M/Bond encounter in SP, as I noted elsewhere (rather than the awkward pissing match).
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    We know very little about the current M. Rather than just be angry with Bond, he could use a story from his past (we know he has seen action) to make a point. Over a scotch in a gentlemans club for example, something the previous M never did (or could do I think)
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    Any new news on potential distributors?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Michael G. Wilson said the distributors will be announced by February... Well, we've cut the month in half, and still no word from that direction.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 I've missed you all.
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    I'd love for the next film to involve M's conflict with the IRA. Perhaps Mallory gets into a sticky situation, kidnapped again by the IRA and Bond has to save him in some capacity. Anything to bring Bond to Ireland for a while. It'd be a spectacular first for Bond to head to Ireland, and I can't believe EON haven't done so already.

    You could focus on a lot of great themes in that location, especially from their rich mythology. Bond could be the piece's representation of the powerful Cuchulain, who, like in one of the ancient tales, is pleaded to by his government and king (Mallory?) to reign himself in after Blofeld takes things too far post SP. And obviously, having the quintessential Englishman tearing around Dublin causing havoc would awaken all kinds of odd imagery of the past colonial nature of the British Empire that EON have injected into their scripts so much recently. It'd be an interesting continuation of a lot of themes that've already been set in motion.
  • RC7RC7
    edited February 2016 Posts: 10,512
    The problem with the IRA is that they just aren't a threat these days and far from current. It'd be like having The Freemasons as villains.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 I've missed you all.
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    It doesn't have to be the IRA per se, maybe just SPECTRE pulling a frame job?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Michael G. Wilson said the distributors will be announced by February... Well, we've cut the month in half, and still no word from that direction.
    My best guess is Warner Bros.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited February 2016 Posts: 6,660
    RC7 wrote: »
    The problem with the IRA is that they just aren't a threat these days and far from current. It'd be like having The Freemasons as villains.

    They're no less dangerous than they were 30 years ago. They've just split into so many factions that have gone in different directions that the effect has been diluted to the public.

    Comparing them to the Freemasons is a bit misjudged.

    However, I agree. I don't think they would work as Bond villains. The scale is too small.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    All I know about this IRA stuff is Patriot Games was incredible, and Bean made a fantastic villain.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    bondjames wrote: »
    All I know about this IRA stuff is Patriot Games was incredible, and Bean made a fantastic villain.

    Some very intense scenes from both 'Jack Ryan' film with Harrison Ford - especially the convoy attack in 'Clear and Present Danger' that took 20 years to equal ('Captain America: Winter Soldier'). Damn you @bondjames, now I want to rewatch 'Hunt for Red October/Patriot Games/Clear and Present Danger'. ;)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @DaltonCraig007, I felt the same way as I commented above. All of a sudden I realized I need my Jack Ryan fix (sans Shadow Recruit of course). I agree, when I think of Clear and Present Danger, I immediately think of that convoy attack. Sicario reminded me so much of that too.
  • edited February 2016 Posts: 4,431
    Patriot Games was not about the IRA (too sensitive for the market) , didnt Patrick Bergin play the leader of a group who thought that the IRA were too soft? and Richard Harris played the reasonable side of things? The audience (as here) made their own minds up and just thought it was IRA.
    I cant see it being international enough for Bond, he needs to work at a global level and the younger audience would not understand the context.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited February 2016 Posts: 23,883
    Yes, you're correct, it was about a rogue splinter group from the IRA who wanted to take it to a new level. Quite topical given world events, but perhaps they should stay away from an existing organization.
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