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    JCRendle wrote: »
    No need for spoiler tags in this particular thread


    Do you remember off hand what scenes his name is revealed? I clearly missed it through the first read.
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    hthomas20 wrote: »
    JCRendle wrote: »
    No need for spoiler tags in this particular thread


    Do you remember off hand what scenes his name is revealed? I clearly missed it through the first read.

    I can't remember. Wasn't it different in both drafts? I can't remember whether it was the dinner scene with Oberhauser, Bond and Madeleine or just after the finale, when they're on the bridge.

  • fanbond123 wrote: »
    Read it all! Hmm, didn't like it much. It was okay-ish.

    I didn't get the relationship between Bond and Oberhauser. There seemed some tenuous link to Bond's past but it didn't really amount to much other than to allow Purvis and Wade to re-introduce a Texas Hold Em game back into the Bond universe. The card game felt like a rehash of Casino Royale. And Bond used his exploding watch to escape. I can't remember if the watch was mentioned earlier on.

    I don't feel making Bond films with Bond's backstory as the main thrust of the storyline works that well. I found the storyline a bit cheesy. C turned out to be a cheesy traitor within. To be fair, when it's up on the screen with great action scenes, moody music, cool cinematography, good acting etc - I'm sure it will entertain many people but I've grown tired of the Purvis/Wade 'personal missions' Craig era.

    Based on my first reading of the screenplay, I didn’t get how Bond knew the name Oberhauser. When he meets Q in Austria he mentions Oberhauser’s name but how did he get that name? Where/what was the source for that information?

    I feel the storyline has no underlying threat. There is no great sense Bond’s world is in danger. I accept the Babs and MG have moved away from ‘Bond stopping the nuke from destroying the world’ type plots but I feel SPECTRE lacks a real threat. Oberhauser sees information as the new weapon, he can control anyone but what is control if we don't see what he gets out of it?

    I didn't get any sense SPECTRE was SPECTRE. It felt like Eon got the rights back to SPECTRE and just used the name for the title and a way to link the previous films together. I'd have preferred SPECTRE using some weapon against the 00 division or the free world. Some real tangible threat. Spectre seemed a bit too low key in SPECTRE - just monitoring screens and committing terrorist acts. Not quite the scale of the old SPECTRE.

    I thought the battle at Oberhauser's house/compund felt too similar to the battle at Greene's compound in QOS. Both locations set in the desert, both blow up.

    Hinx just turned up where Bond was. I don't know how he tracked Bond - we never saw him tracking 007. He just pops up like Jaws version 2!

    It's more of the same, I guess. Slightly contrived plotting, Bond escaping places with explosions, the villain having some backstory. Skyfall part 2, I guess. I wouldn't mind recasting Bond and trying to bring back some major threat to the world. Reduce Bond's backstory, reduce M and Moneypenny's role. New writers, clean slate again.





    Hmm
  • edited April 2015 Posts: 4,622
    @antovolk could confirm, but I think the Blofeld reveal is at the dinner with villain. Bond tells Oberhuaser that he, Oberhauser was adopted too, and that his name is actually Ernst Stavro Blofeld, although the script disguises the name as Serban, or something, to fool anyone sneaking a peek.
    Oberhauser already knows this, but is pissed that Bond knows this too.
    Thus we have a Blofeld origins film. Bond outs him.
  • edited April 2015 Posts: 2,115
    Others outside this thread (or even this message board) are bragging upon their "inside knowledge" they know Blofeld doesn't actually appear. They seem to be reading the "Serban" bit as literal.
  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    Get ready to come out of the not blofeld closet
  • It would be the funny if the script sent to the translators has Serban too and they keep it by mistake :)
  • pjvpjv Australia
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    Quick question,

    I've read the October version of the script and love the Spectre meeting in Rome, especially how Oberhauser spills the bag of eyeballs onto the table. I haven't seen the December script so can anyone tell me if this part changed. All I know is that they don't wear the masks anymore - is anything else altered?

    Thanks
  • JWPepperJWPepper You sit on it, but you can't take it with you.
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    Mr. White's 'kite dancing in a hurricane-line is different in the trailer. In the script it says White puts a gun against his head and then says the line and pulls the trigger. We don't see that in the trailer? Was it a different take especially shot for the trailer?
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    JWPepper wrote: »
    Mr. White's 'kite dancing in a hurricane-line is different in the trailer. In the script it says White puts a gun against his head and then says the line and pulls the trigger. We don't see that in the trailer? Was it a different take especially shot for the trailer?

    Yes. Jasper Christiansen confirned in an interview that his scene was altered a bit.
  • edited April 2015 Posts: 372
    I haven't read the script but I just wanna know what the Sciarra character is like. Is she good or bad?
  • Others outside this thread (or even this message board) are bragging upon their "inside knowledge" they know Blofeld doesn't actually appear. They seem to be reading the "Serban" bit as literal.
    It's pretty clear that the name "Serban" is just a placeholder. Also remember that later on when Madeleine and Bond meet M in London, M asks "What about Oberhauser?" and she responds "Oberhauser. His real name is Oberhauser." Also from the reveal onwards, there is an asterisk on the right hand side every time "Oberhauser" is mentioned.
  • AVBAVB
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    The name Blofeld wasn't revealed - it was Serban. I just call him Ober-Feld because he is so obviously Blofeld. If they were to end up NOT calling him that then it'd be pretty contrived.
    I haven't read the script but I just wanna know what the Sciarra character is like. Is she good or bad?

    She's a cameo pretty much. She is neither good or bad, really, in that she doesn't do anything good or bad in the film depending on your perspective. She tips Bond off, but she may have also tipped Spectre off that he's coming. As a widow of a Spectre operative she is essentially resigned to being knocked off by Spectre(due to her knowledge) after her hubby dies so she's not quite a damsel in distress but not exactly proactive either.
  • AVBAVB
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    hthomas20 wrote: »
    JCRendle wrote: »
    No need for spoiler tags in this particular thread


    Do you remember off hand what scenes his name is revealed? I clearly missed it through the first read.

    Who, Blofeld? Swann tells Bond and Q in the hotel in Austria what his real name is, although on script it still says Oberhauser. Later in Morrocco after they've played the card game and Swann is about to be killed, Bond reveals his name is Serban. I'm quite sure both names will be 'Blofeld' in the final movie.

  • edited April 2015 Posts: 1,661
    Thanks for your replies, AVB.

    I agree with your comments about Bond's sarcasm. Perhaps Craig's delivery of some of the lines will soften the sarcasm. I didn't mind it, though. I tend to think Purvis and Wade see Bond's use of sarcasm as some sort of emotional defence. He hides behind it to stop him getting hurt?

    I didn't like the plane chase - Bond in pursuit of Hinx and his men - and that being intercut with Q in the cable car. The cable car scene didn't seem to go anywhere - the man watching Q - who was he? Perhaps I need to read that scene again. I just wonder if the plane scene needs to be intercut with Q on his laptop. Perhaps the cable car scene could involve the man attacking Q, some brief fight scene just to mirror the violence in the plane scene.

    Q's life in mortal danger could add a small extra element to the excitement of SPECTRE. As he is in the field he could face physical violence?

    I think there will be some classic Bond scenes/moments. Some parts do hark back to the Cubby Broccoli era of Bond. I'll need to give it another read to see if I think the story all holds together. Much of the storyline has little of Oberhauser - which may or may not be a good thing. Dr. No didn't feature any of the character of Dr. No until the third act - SPECTRE mirrors that. I thought Bond's encounter with Oberhauser was very Dr. No in feel.

    I don't know if fans and the general public will buy into Oberhauser's backstory or feel it's that significant to Bond. Bond more or less shrugs off any past knowledge of Oberhauser. He's just another madman, to Bond. Bond doesn't appear to be that interested in Oberhauser's past. Craig's Bond doesn't get all emotional at the end - which is a route they could have gone.


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    I think it's more the threat of danger that adds to the scene, it juxtaposes the scene with the very real physical danger of the chase.
  • aaron819aaron819 Switzerland
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    JCRendle wrote: »
    I think it's more the threat of danger that adds to the scene, it juxtaposes the scene with the very real physical danger of the chase.

    @JCRendle I was just going to write the same thing! :) :)
  • edited April 2015 Posts: 2,015
    pjv wrote: »
    Quick question,

    I've read the October version of the script and love the Spectre meeting in Rome, especially how Oberhauser spills the bag of eyeballs onto the table. I haven't seen the December script so can anyone tell me if this part changed. All I know is that they don't wear the masks anymore - is anything else altered?

    Thanks

    Yes, changed a lot. The eyeballs have disappeared, and now this scene is closer to the SPECTRE meeting in TB. The Mickey Mouse line is still in the script though. This one does not translate well at all :)
    fanbond123 wrote: »
    The cable car scene didn't seem to go anywhere

    Because originally Q get caught by SPECTRE, but the set of the furnace where Bond finds Q won't be built, so Q is not a prisoner any more and now escapes the bad guys. It's good news though because frankly all this furnace scene would have been IMO a plothole or an Austin Powers moment for the audience once again.

    Also remember that later on when Madeleine and Bond meet M in London, M asks "What about Oberhauser?" and she responds "Oberhauser. His real name is Oberhauser."

    Madeleine serves twice as a "XXXX. Its name is XXXX" character in the movie, but on different circumstances. Somehow you wonder if the second time it means she knew it from the start or not ??
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    Madeleine serves twice as a "XXXX. Its name is XXXX" character in the movie, but on different circumstances. Somehow you wonder if the second time it means she knew it from the start or not ??

    No because she was there when Bond dropped the bomb on Oberhauser that his real name is ESB?
  • edited April 2015 Posts: 2,015
    Yes but the first time she says "Spectre. the name is Spectre", it's because she's in the know. Exact same kind of line later, it could create confusion. It will all depend if there's a shot of Madeleine being surprised when Bond says Blofeld, or if there's a shot of Madeleine being more neutral. Mendes will decide.


    PS : Ah.. I wish we could say Mickey Mouse appears in SPECTRE in the "Disney April Fool" thread :)
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Yes but the first time she says "Spectre. the name is Spectre", it's because she's in the know. Exact same kind of line later, it could create confusion. It will all depend if there's a shot of Madeleine being surprised when Bond says Blofeld, or if there's a shot of Madeleine being more neutral. Mendes will decide.


    PS : Ah.. I wish we could say Mickey Mouse appears in SPECTRE in the "Disney April Fool" thread :)

    They would take it as another April fools joke.
  • edited April 2015 Posts: 48
    Because originally Q get caught by SPECTRE, but the set of the furnace where Bond finds Q won't be built, so Q is not a prisoner any more and now escapes the bad guys. It's good news though because frankly all this furnace scene would have been IMO a plothole or an Austin Powers moment for the audience once again.



    I would agree that as written in the script it was clunky and awkward, however I wouldn't mind seeing them reuse the idea of the "solar" furnace at some point. It could make a classic yet contemporary deathtrap type scene it they make it work properly. And I'm talking about them using the idea of an actual solar furnace, not the oversized "solar cooker" in the script. A real Solar Furnace would fry Bond dead in seconds, not hours.
  • AVBAVB
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    fanbond123 wrote: »
    Thanks for your replies, AVB.

    I agree with your comments about Bond's sarcasm. Perhaps Craig's delivery of some of the lines will soften the sarcasm. I didn't mind it, though. I tend to think Purvis and Wade see Bond's use of sarcasm as some sort of emotional defence. He hides behind it to stop him getting hurt?

    I know why they use it etc, but it was too heavy handed here methinks. Literally anything anyone says is followed by some sarcy comment by Bond. Made him look a bit petty and borish. Connery's era had the best use of sarcasm and wit imo. Craig can pull it off, with better writing of course. I think SF handled this aspect of Bond very well and far better than Logan has.
    I think there will be some classic Bond scenes/moments. Some parts do hark back to the Cubby Broccoli era of Bond. I'll need to give it another read to see if I think the story all holds together. Much of the storyline has little of Oberhauser - which may or may not be a good thing. Dr. No didn't feature any of the character of Dr. No until the third act - SPECTRE mirrors that. I thought Bond's encounter with Oberhauser was very Dr. No in feel.

    I don't know if fans and the general public will buy into Oberhauser's backstory or feel it's that significant to Bond. Bond more or less shrugs off any past knowledge of Oberhauser. He's just another madman, to Bond. Bond doesn't appear to be that interested in Oberhauser's past. Craig's Bond doesn't get all emotional at the end - which is a route they could have gone.


    At first I was thinking how they can have a villain only really fully appear toward the very end, but I can't see how he would fit elsewhere. It sort of makes sense to hold back, having Ober-Feld be the threat in the shadows. It'll of course be totally different on screen than how we may imagine it. I'm sure Mendes will do it justice.

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    Can someone explain the coincidence of White and Madeleine both being in Austria. I understand Madeleine works there, but what about White. Did Oberhauser intentionally put White there to feel "close to his daughter" or did White go there himself and get caught or what?

    I only ask this cause I swear it'd been a while since either them had seen each other?
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    Can someone explain the coincidence of White and Madeleine both being in Austria. I understand Madeleine works there, but what about White. Did Oberhauser intentionally put White there to feel "close to his daughter" or did White go there himself and get caught or what?

    I only ask this cause I swear it'd been a while since either them had seen each other?

    White is located in a remote, safe house in Austria. White's accent indicates he is from that area of Europe so perhaps he's Austrian. And it's not such a leap of story logic to assume his daughter lives or works close by. Having said that, I assume Léa Seydoux won't be playing Madeleine Swann with an Austrian type accent. When I read the screenplay I assumed (incorrectly?) she had a British accent.
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    His accent is Danish
  • I like to think Oberhauser almost did it purposefully.
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    Thinking about how they might incorporate the Temple Ruins in the PTS, what if Bond crash lands the chopper there, and gets out with some sarcastic remark to some stunned tourists?

    I would actually love that. Here's video of them filming in a remote location. Since there are no stunt actors fighting on the side, it looks to me like they're practicing a stunt landing.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Chaps, I probably have misread it, but does Bond actually order a white dinner jacket for the dinner in the train? Meaning that the white tuxedo from the Connery and Moore eras is back?
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    Chaps, I probably have misread it, but does Bond actually order a white dinner jacket for the dinner in the train? Meaning that the white tuxedo from the Connery and Moore eras is back?

    Yup, it's white.
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