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  • slyfoxslyfox
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    So the train scenes have been filmed at Pinewood already then. Looking forward to this scene.
  • MadeleineSwannMadeleineSwann
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    Whats up with the video blogs at the moment? Is it because they don't wanna give us too much or are they just not releasing them because of all the other material they've given us; posters and the teaser trailer for example?
  • JCRendleJCRendle
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    MadeleineSwann wrote: »
    Whats up with the video blogs at the moment? Is it because they don't wanna give us too much or are they just not releasing them because of all the other material they've given us; posters and the teaser trailer for example?

    I think because we have early teasers etc, the behind the scenes stuff is being staggered. Looking at the Behind the Scenes videos of the Hobbit (which I also followed production of) They were very periodic on their production videos too.

    We were luck with Skyfall that they gave us so much so regularly .
  • Suivez_ce_parachuteSuivez_ce_parachute
    edited April 2015 Posts: 2,015
    The lack of certainty about the release date may be a problem for all this : how do you program the momentum of your blogs/exclusive interviews/etc.. so it peaks near the release date, if you dont know it ?

    Also, since this is the leaks thread, I can say that from some mails one can guess that at one point Sony hoped to cut costs on the marketing too because of the budget of the movie at that time. It was before EON agreed to remove some sets and shorten some scenes though, before the change to have Mexico money, etc... so now no one knows what they have decided.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
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    Does anyone remember whether a Heineken is ever mentioned in the screenplay?
  • Suivez_ce_parachuteSuivez_ce_parachute
    edited April 2015 Posts: 2,015
    The question about Heineken : this is a joke right ?!!
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    edited April 2015 Posts: 4,619
    Suivez_ce_parachute wrote: »
    The question about Heineken : this is a joke right ?!!
    Why would it be a joke? I am asking because I remember reading abut Heineken in this thread (I may be completely wrong). Also, it's mentioned in this video: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LLkoox6dzW4 starting 7:04
  • JCRendleJCRendle
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    @Suivez_ce_parachute How did they hope to cut costs on the marketing? Also, the Mexico money - we know from the October script that the Day of the Dead, Mexican girl and Italian villain were all present and correct before the major changes seen in the December version - what changes were added for the Mexican version?
  • Suivez_ce_parachuteSuivez_ce_parachute
    edited April 2015 Posts: 2,015
    @JCRendle Well we don't know the changes after that script. The ruins do not appear in the script though, it may be part of the travelogue image Mexico wanted according to some mails.

    About the marketing, well, they proposed to not use Craig, but Wishaw instead, as the main face for the Sony marketing tied-in with SPECTRE. Then they wouldn't have to pay the Craig paycheck (reportedly $5M if I remember well)
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Why would it be a joke?

    Because Heineken features very prominently in the script ! It is with an Heineken bottle that Bond solves the mystery at l'Americain.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
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    Suivez_ce_parachute wrote: »
    The lack of certainty about the release date may be a problem for all this : how do you program the momentum of your blogs/exclusive interviews/etc.. so it peaks near the release date, if you dont know it ?

    The difference between the two possible British release dates is two weeks. When it comes to marketing, it doesn't really matter at this point whether the movie will be released in the last week of October, or the first week of November. They will know the exact release date long before October.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    edited April 2015 Posts: 4,619
    Suivez_ce_parachute wrote: »
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Why would it be a joke?

    Because Heineken features very prominently in the script ! It is with an Heineken bottle that Bond solves the mystery at l'Americain.

    Ok. See, I completely forgot about that. Which perfectly illustrates how unremarkable the screenplay is. :bz
  • JCRendleJCRendle
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    Suivez_ce_parachute wrote: »
    @JCRendle Well we don't know the changes after that script. The ruins do not appear in the script though, it may be part of the travelogue image Mexico wanted according to some mails.
    But the main reported demands were:

    Mexican Bond girl: She seemed to be mexican in the October Draft
    Non-Mexican assassin: He was Italian in the October Draft

    The only difference I can see between the two drafts is, one target is a governor, the other is an ambassador.
  • Suivez_ce_parachuteSuivez_ce_parachute
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    I think the "reported demands" were guessed from the scripts at various stage, and not a direct piece of information. With these leaks, we're in a position where we know as much as most journalists about the early story of the production ! Don't expect IMO anyone at EON to talk to a journalists about the actual Mexico demands. I just talked in the "product placement" thread about the fact that Barbara Broccoli claimed the choice the VW Beetles in SF was done without contacting VW... Oh, really ?
  • JCRendleJCRendle
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    I believe you have a clearer view of the leaks than most, reading e-mails as well as scripts.
  • timmertimmer
    edited April 2015 Posts: 4,622
    I don't believe anything very solid has been reported, rumoured etc regarding filming of Mexican ruins.
  • JCRendleJCRendle
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    Apparently the ruins area is due to altitude for filming helicopter stunts that can't be filmed in the middle of the city.
  • AVBAVB
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    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Does anyone remember whether a Heineken is ever mentioned in the screenplay?

    He chugs one down whilst interrogating a mouse in Morrocco.


  • JCRendleJCRendle
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    Re: The masked SPECTRE meeting.

    If anyone here are Batman fans, they had a popular run in 2011 regarding The Court of Owls. A masked, secret organisation.
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    Here is a screenshot from the recently released DC Animated movie Batman Vs. Robin:-
    tumblr_nmc2e4D3It1rv0z1no1_400.jpg

    Perhaps the producers didn't want anyone saying they were copying Batman, so they removed the masks.

    Just a theory.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    Or perhaps the masks featuring so soon after the Day of the Dead festival, where many are In masks, might confuse the imagery of the film.
  • timmertimmer
    edited April 2015 Posts: 4,622
    JCRendle wrote: »
    Apparently the ruins area is due to altitude for filming helicopter stunts that can't be filmed in the middle of gthe city.
    Right, meaning there won't be any shots of ruins, as isn't the helicopter battle confined to the square?
    The scenic ruins don't figure in the screenplay.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    The ruins may be part of an location establishing shot, much like the seaplane landing in Casino Royale. They may play no part other than adding atmosphere and point of reference.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
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    talos7 wrote: »
    The ruins may be part of an location establishing shot, much like the seaplane landing in Casino Royale. They may play no part other than adding atmosphere and point of reference.

    How and when? The first location of the movie is Mexico, and there isn't any Mexican location in the screenplay, other than the capital city itself.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Filmmaking is often a very fluid endeavor; just because something is not in the script doesn't mean it won't be in the final film. Often director find inspiration from a location or a performance that was not in the screenplay. Before showing the capital there could very well be some shots that include the magnificent ruins; and, of course maybe there won't be.
  • Suivez_ce_parachuteSuivez_ce_parachute
    edited April 2015 Posts: 2,015
    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    Or perhaps the masks featuring so soon after the Day of the Dead festival, where many are In masks, might confuse the imagery of the film.

    Well don't forget that the video surveillance theme will feature a lot in the movie (it may be even "hammered"...). So IMO the use of masks was also in this theme : nowadays, it is important to hide your identity from cameras etc.

    I think that this screenplay is a possibly good screenplay (but very disrespectful of Fleming : M as a traitor) with a lot of patches on it now. The biggest patch, I think, is C.
    talos7 wrote: »
    Filmmaking is often a very fluid endeavor; just because something is not in the script doesn't mean it won't be in the final film.

    Yes, and furthermore we already know the scene numbers on the clapperboards are not always those of the last leaked script...

    According to what Mendes said, there's most probably a Gunbarrel at the beginning of Skyfall screenplay, and we know what happened.
  • Ottofuse8Ottofuse8
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    I will be mad if the gun barrel is not at the beginning, but I think it will be. My feeling is that this is our last chance with it, but I think it will be there bc mendes seemed to regret not putting it at the beginning.
  • JCRendleJCRendle
    edited April 2015 Posts: 1,552
    Suivez_ce_parachute wrote: »
    I think that this screenplay is a possibly good screenplay (but very disrespectful of Fleming : M as a traitor
    M wasn't a traitor in any of the leaked screenplays, this was excised early on. As usual, the scripts have gone through many rewrites, trying different ideas (black/female Blofeld) etc. But this has been the case with a lot of the films, where there have been big changes during the writing process.

    Why is the idea of M being a traitor "very disrespectful" above other ideas that have been put on screen over the years? He's a different M than Fleming's M. Fleming didn't envision a female M, was Judi Dench's casting disrespectful?

    If it had been Bernard Lee's portrayal of M that turned out to be a traitor, then that may have been seen as disrespectful, as he was playing Fleming's M (Sir Miles Messervy), Fiennes M is Gareth Mallory.

    I don't like the idea, though it's an interesting concept, because it would contradict some of his actions in Skyfall, but I don't think it's disrespectful.
  • AVBAVB
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    Perhaps the black Blofeld was linked to whomever they were thinking of casting at the time. There were rumours of Chiwedu Owetel(sp) etc. I have no issue whatsoever with that being the case - infact it might have saved us from this childhood link business had Blofeld been an African. A female Blofeld is pushing it; primarily because I wouldn't believe a Woman making it to the top of the largest underworld 'criminal' organisation in history, although I am not against female villains per se.

    The M as traitor is just disasterous, and a total waste of Fiennes. Thank god he vetoed it.

    RE: the ruins. It's possible we see Bond fly over it as the last shot of the PTS, which shows Bond flying the chopper out into the sunset.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    @AVB Chewetel Ejiofor. It wasn't that hard to look up.
  • antovolkantovolk
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    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    @AVB Chewetel Ejiofor. It wasn't that hard to look up.
    Chiwetel was considered for Denbigh/C I believe by Sony execs. Mendes' choice was Scott, who happened to also be cheaper.
  • timmertimmer
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    Re the ruins. I think they are a no go, because IIRC, the only reason we are discussing them is because someone posted a picture, and again IIRC, there was nothing actually tangible, linking this picture to the filming.
    Filmmaking may be fluid, but from what we have seen, the filming is following both December outline and script.

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