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  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Yes, these are all very lovely but the question is, will the production team make generous use of such beautiful locations? I don't want to see 5 seconds of exterior and establishing shots; I want a real sense of atmosphere and scope, captured in all its glory.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    edited November 2014 Posts: 5,745
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Yes, these are all very lovely but the question is, will the production team make generous use of such beautiful locations? I don't want to see 5 seconds of exterior and establishing shots; I want a real sense of atmosphere and scope, captured in all its glory.

    That's what I'm afraid of. No more Mendes-Shanghai or CGI islands please. If your budget is over 100 Million, there's no excuse.

    Goldeneye worked with 1/4 of what Skyfall worked with, and we got bungee jumping, skydiving into a plane, a tank through St. Petersburg, a train explosion, and a fight on top of the world's largest satellite dish. It can be done.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    edited November 2014 Posts: 4,619
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Yes, these are all very lovely but the question is, will the production team make generous use of such beautiful locations? I don't want to see 5 seconds of exterior and establishing shots; I want a real sense of atmosphere and scope, captured in all its glory.

    Exactly. That's why I was sad to hear that Mexico has been added as a shooting location. (2 foreign locations + London would be ideal in my opinion. Bond 24 already has a bit too many locations with Austria, Italy and Morocco.)
    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    Goldeneye worked with 1/4 of what Skyfall worked with, and we got bungee jumping, skydiving into a plane, a tank through St. Petersburg, a train explosion, and a fight on top of the world's largest satellite dish.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    Guys, guys, GUYS! Let's stay positive at first okay, before we know the answers to these question? Instead of staying negative, before we know the answers to these questions. So far, Austria seems to be the "UK/Scotland" from "Skyfall" in Bond 24. Just have a bit more joy in all this.

    By the way, if someone has read the spoilers so far, then a lot of action is being shot on location. So there's not enough reason to be so über-sceptical about the entire production.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 14,846
    I hope there will be some extensive time spent featuring the villain's lair. I don't think we have been having this since... OP, maybe? We have had really interesting locations for them, but so far they have been featured very little.
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    Posts: 1,261
    Goldeneye? Tomorrow Never Dies? (stealth boat)
  • AdaShelbyAdaShelby
    edited November 2014 Posts: 267
    I've put this as a spoiler cause I'm not sure if this could be considered spoilery or not:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2845621/You-weren-t-expecting-007-BLOFELD-S-Bond-having-kittens-evil-foe-returns-double-Oscar-winner-Christoph-Waltz-tipped-play-him.html
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    edited November 2014 Posts: 4,619
    AdaShelby wrote: »
    I've put this as a spoiler cause I'm not sure if this could be considered spoilery or not:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2845621/You-weren-t-expecting-007-BLOFELD-S-Bond-having-kittens-evil-foe-returns-double-Oscar-winner-Christoph-Waltz-tipped-play-him.html

    Interesting details. It's great to read that the "press conference to be held in the first week of December." By the way, do we really have to hide spoilers in this thread? I mean nearly every single news is pretty much a spoiler and anyone who enters this thread must be aware of that ...
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    AdaShelby wrote: »
    I've put this as a spoiler cause I'm not sure if this could be considered spoilery or not:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2845621/You-weren-t-expecting-007-BLOFELD-S-Bond-having-kittens-evil-foe-returns-double-Oscar-winner-Christoph-Waltz-tipped-play-him.html

    I told everyone.......many times..........
    Blofeld will be back :-). Even more interesting is the fact, that Waltz will play the son (Franz Oberhauser) of a ski-instructor (Hans Oberhauser) who was a father figure to Bond. Could here be another link to Bond's past? As Bond's parents died in a skiing accident.

    I am curious though, how they will reveal Waltz as Blofeld, when his name actually is Franz Oberhauser. I still think Daily Mail has a huge spoiler with this article, but that they didn't make the link from Oberhauser to Blofeld properly. Let's see how this turns out :-)!
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    Posts: 4,619
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    I told everyone.......many times..........
    Blofeld will be back :-). Even more interesting is the fact, that Waltz will play the son (Franz Oberhauser) of a ski-instructor (Hans Oberhauser) who was a father figure to Bond. Could here be another link to Bond's past? As Bond's parents died in a skiing accident.

    I am curious though, how they will reveal Waltz as Blofeld, when his name actually is Franz Oberhauser. I still think Daily Mail has a huge spoiler with this article, but that they didn't make the link from Oberhauser to Blofeld properly. Let's see how this turns out :-)!
    If this rebooted Blofeld is the son of Bond's father figure, isn't he basically Bond's brother? I suspect many fans would hate this detail but I would really like it! The article wasn't written by Baz by the way but I believe it for now.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2014 Posts: 23,883
    I just hope we don't get some twisted story of Bond's past, like in Batman '89 or Spider Man3 , where a major traumatic event is linked to the major antagonist/villain to create emotional resonance and a 'connection' for the mass audiences. If so, I'll throw up.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    Posts: 5,745
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    Goldeneye worked with 1/4 of what Skyfall worked with, and we got bungee jumping, skydiving into a plane, a tank through St. Petersburg, a train explosion, and a fight on top of the world's largest satellite dish.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflation

    Cute, but according to inflation $1.00 in 1995 is equivalent to $1.55 in 2014. So a $58 Million budget in 1995 is still under $100 Million today. Skyfall was $150 Million to $200 Million. So not 1/4, but 1/2.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    I told everyone.......many times..........
    Blofeld will be back :-). Even more interesting is the fact, that Waltz will play the son (Franz Oberhauser) of a ski-instructor (Hans Oberhauser) who was a father figure to Bond. Could here be another link to Bond's past? As Bond's parents died in a skiing accident.

    I am curious though, how they will reveal Waltz as Blofeld, when his name actually is Franz Oberhauser. I still think Daily Mail has a huge spoiler with this article, but that they didn't make the link from Oberhauser to Blofeld properly. Let's see how this turns out :-)!
    If this rebooted Blofeld is the son of Bond's father figure, isn't he basically Bond's brother? I suspect many fans would hate this detail but I would really like it! The article wasn't written by Baz by the way but I believe it for now.

    Not necessarily @PanchitoPistoles.
    Bond's father Andrew Bond could be the best friend of this Hans Oberhauser. The ski-link is there anyway. Hence Hans Oberhauser being some kind of "Godfather" to Bond. That doesn't make Franz Oberhauser a genetic blood brother of Bond.

    I think, this Franz Oberhauser is slowly lured into villainous plots. But at the start of the film he will very well be Bond's best friend from childhood times. I think at the end he could be the mastermind, briefing to Blofeld? We'll see.....
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
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    I'm betting on the last line of Bond 24 to be ".. Number One."
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    edited November 2014 Posts: 4,619
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    Not necessarily @PanchitoPistoles.
    Bond's father Andrew Bond could be the best friend of this Hans Oberhauser. The ski-link is there anyway. Hence Hans Oberhauser being some kind of "Godfather" to Bond. That doesn't make Franz Oberhauser a genetic blood brother of Bond.

    I think, this Franz Oberhauser is slowly lured into villainous plots. But at the start of the film he will very well be Bond's best friend from childhood times. I think at the end he could be the mastermind, briefing to Blofeld? We'll see.....
    Of course they wouldn't be real brothers. I meant that they would treat each other as brothers having grown up together. And what do you mean by "briefing to Blofeld"? The article states that he IS Blofeld. Are you going to say that you treat half of the article as true and half of it as made up?
    JWESTBROOK wrote: »
    Cute, but according to inflation $1.00 in 1995 is equivalent to $1.55 in 2014. So a $58 Million budget in 1995 is still under $100 Million today. Skyfall was $150 Million to $200 Million. So not 1/4, but 1/2.

    Cute, but you forgot that making movies cost more nowadays than it did just 2 decades ago (for reasons unknown to me). If you think anyone could make GoldenEye under $100 Million today, you are delusional.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
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    PanchitoPistoles wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    Not necessarily @PanchitoPistoles.
    Bond's father Andrew Bond could be the best friend of this Hans Oberhauser. The ski-link is there anyway. Hence Hans Oberhauser being some kind of "Godfather" to Bond. That doesn't make Franz Oberhauser a genetic blood brother of Bond.

    I think, this Franz Oberhauser is slowly lured into villainous plots. But at the start of the film he will very well be Bond's best friend from childhood times. I think at the end he could be the mastermind, briefing to Blofeld? We'll see.....
    Of course they wouldn't be real brothers. I meant that they would treat each other as brothers having grown up together. And what do you mean by "briefing to Blofeld"? The article states that he IS Blofeld. Are you going to say that you treat half of the article as true and half of it as made up?
    At this stage it is also about knotting the links together. I remember back in 2011 that Albert Finney was casted, and that he would play the villain. Some articles were saying that. It's just......how do you turn Hans Oberhauser into Blofeld if in the film his real name is Oberhauser? Or perhaps Oberhauser isn't Oberhauser and he's a clone :P. I think there's a lot of truth in the article, just....ahh well, at this stage I also would say Waltz is Blofeld ;-).

  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    Posts: 11,139
    I don't know how I feel about this.

    I want to move away from personal vendettas. Just give me a story where Bond has to go on a mission and cock up the bad guy's sh*t.
  • ZekidkZekidk
    edited November 2014 Posts: 3,169
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Yes, these are all very lovely but the question is, will the production team make generous use of such beautiful locations.
    That's what I asked myself when I learned on this forum, that they were gonna have a chase inside the huge worldfamous turkish bazaar for SF. I even remember people posting pages of pictures from the bazaar, discussing the endless possibilities.

    In SF the bazaar itself features 7 seconds.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2014 Posts: 23,883
    I'm afraid the personal vendettas are here to stay it seems. Mendes in particular will likely want to capitalize on the emotions as he did in SF. Sad....

    The ghost of Chris Nolan casts a long shadow it seems...
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    Posts: 5,745
    Zekidk wrote: »
    doubleoego wrote: »
    Yes, these are all very lovely but the question is, will the production team make generous use of such beautiful locations.
    That's what I asked myself when I learned on this forum, that they were gonna have a chase inside the huge worldfamous turkish bazaar for SF. I even remember people posting pages of pictures from the bazaar, discussing the endless possibilities.

    In SF the bazaar itself features 7 seconds.

    And considering how much legal and local headache they got for a few clay roof tiles, and the fact that Taken 2 beat them to the whole "chase on top of the same exact Bazaar" thing, was it even worth it?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    If these spoiler comments are to be taken seriously, then one thing is clear:

    There will be a link between the events of B24 (directly or indirectly) and future Bond films.

    Even if Mendes does not make a two parter - that does not stop EON from using plot elements from B24 in future installments, which they are likely to do given the most recent speculation.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    edited November 2014 Posts: 6,844
    bondjames wrote: »
    I just hope we don't get some twisted story of Bond's past, like in Batman '89 or Spider Man3 , where a major traumatic event is linked to the major antagonist/villain to create emotional resonance and a 'connection' for the mass audiences. If so, I'll throw up.

    You and me both.

    Bond's ancestral issues and the "Bondcave" that purportedly turned him into a man in Skyfall were a bit too much for me already. Just give the man his martinis and his guns and let him navel-gaze once in a while over lost loves and sacrificial lambs and the killing he's done and then get on with it.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited November 2014 Posts: 11,139
    If this latest news is to be believed, then there's a very strong possibility Quantum may return and for the sake of completion and not ignoring the fact that they have a strong presence in the Craig era, I want Quantum to return and for them to be given a chance at redemption given how uneven QoS was.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    edited November 2014 Posts: 4,619
    bondjames wrote: »
    If these spoiler comments are to be taken seriously, then one thing is clear:

    There will be a link between the events of B24 (directly or indirectly) and future Bond films.

    Even if Mendes does not make a two parter - that does not stop EON from using plot elements from B24 in future installments, which they are likely to do given the most recent speculation.

    What if Mendes very much wants to direct Bond 25 as well and wants two create two movies that can stand on their own but are definitely connected? Maybe he was only against filming Bond 24 and 25 together (like the Hobbit movies) but isn't against a two movie story arc...
  • Suivez_ce_parachuteSuivez_ce_parachute
    Posts: 2,015
    Hey, for those who will throw up, imagine if Logan had used the Star Trek Nemesis approach instead of the Gladiator one : we would have had a clone of Bond :)

    Someone should really create a fun betting site where one could bet virtual money on any rumors to be true or false. Would "the Internet" be really that good in guessing the right ones ?

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2014 Posts: 23,883
    That's very true.....and with the effort EON & Craig took to pull him in for B24 (which meant us having to wait one more long year), they may have already planned to have him stay on for Craig's swansong.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I just hope we don't get some twisted story of Bond's past, like in Batman '89 or Spider Man3 , where a major traumatic event is linked to the major antagonist/villain to create emotional resonance and a 'connection' for the mass audiences. If so, I'll throw up.

    You and me both.

    Bond's ancestral issues and the "Bondcave" that purportedly turned him into a man in Skyfall were a bit too much for me already. Just give the man his martinis and his guns and let him navel-gaze once in a while over lost loves and sacrificial lambs and the killing he's done and then get on with it.

    It seems that will not be the case. At least, not as black-and-white as you put it. I really liked the background history of Bond. It gave the character more complexity and gravita. We saw your wish of such a Bond film during the Brosnan films. I'm glad that chapter is still closed.

    I want drama, complexity, layers....packed in a lush Bond production. If you want to re-introduce
    Blofeld
    , one needs to do it damn good, and with gravita. And not like it was done in the 1960's films. So far, it seems that the "twisted stories", as you put it, will still be in place in Bond 24. And I'm happy for it.

    Then again, there are a lot of rumours. And I think in the end all fans will be happy, you and me :-)
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    Suivez_ce_parachute wrote: »
    Hey, for those who will throw up, imagine if Logan had used the Star Trek Nemesis approach instead of the Gladiator one : we would have had a clone of Bond :)

    Someone should really create a fun betting site where one could bet virtual money on any rumors to be true or false. Would "the Internet" be really that good in guessing the right ones ?

    Do you actually like James Bond :-)? Your comments always sound so......completely 200% numb and lacklustre. As if you're stroking a white cat yourself when you're posting your comments.

    Where is your "joie de vivre"? When are you posting in some polls? What the heck ARE your favourite Bond films actually.... :-).
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    edited November 2014 Posts: 6,844
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I just hope we don't get some twisted story of Bond's past, like in Batman '89 or Spider Man3 , where a major traumatic event is linked to the major antagonist/villain to create emotional resonance and a 'connection' for the mass audiences. If so, I'll throw up.

    You and me both.

    Bond's ancestral issues and the "Bondcave" that purportedly turned him into a man in Skyfall were a bit too much for me already. Just give the man his martinis and his guns and let him navel-gaze once in a while over lost loves and sacrificial lambs and the killing he's done and then get on with it.

    It seems that will not be the case. At least, not as black-and-white as you put it. I really liked the background history of Bond. It gave the character more complexity and gravita. We saw your wish of such a Bond film during the Brosnan films. I'm glad that chapter is still closed.

    I want drama, complexity, layers....packed in a lush Bond production. If you want to re-introduce
    Blofeld
    , one needs to do it damn good, and with gravita. And not like it was done in the 1960's films. So far, it seems that the "twisted stories", as you put it, will still be in place in Bond 24. And I'm happy for it.

    Then again, there are a lot of rumours. And I think in the end all fans will be happy, you and me :-)

    Perhaps I was a little too flippant with my comment. I am absolutely for complexity, gravitas, drama, and layers of the sort found in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Licence to Kill, GoldenEye, The World Is Not Enough, Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, and elsewhere in the series. What I'm not so keen about is dwelling on family issues and the possibility of shoehorning in some cloying past connection between Bond and Blofeld (if he's even in B24!) á la the cases @bondjames referenced. Not saying that will be the case in B24, but it's a possibility best avoided. Like I said, I'm pro navel-gazing (in moderation) and to avoid any confusion, I'm pro complexity, gravitas, drama, and layers, too. ;)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2014 Posts: 23,883
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Gustav_Graves wrote: »
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I just hope we don't get some twisted story of Bond's past, like in Batman '89 or Spider Man3 , where a major traumatic event is linked to the major antagonist/villain to create emotional resonance and a 'connection' for the mass audiences. If so, I'll throw up.

    You and me both.

    Bond's ancestral issues and the "Bondcave" that purportedly turned him into a man in Skyfall were a bit too much for me already. Just give the man his martinis and his guns and let him navel-gaze once in a while over lost loves and sacrificial lambs and the killing he's done and then get on with it.

    It seems that will not be the case. At least, not as black-and-white as you put it. I really liked the background history of Bond. It gave the character more complexity and gravita. We saw your wish of such a Bond film during the Brosnan films. I'm glad that chapter is still closed.

    I want drama, complexity, layers....packed in a lush Bond production. If you want to re-introduce
    Blofeld
    , one needs to do it damn good, and with gravita. And not like it was done in the 1960's films. So far, it seems that the "twisted stories", as you put it, will still be in place in Bond 24. And I'm happy for it.

    Then again, there are a lot of rumours. And I think in the end all fans will be happy, you and me :-)

    Perhaps I was a little too flippant with my comment. I am absolutely for complexity, gravitas, drama, and layers of the sort found in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, Licence to Kill, GoldenEye, The World Is Not Enough, Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, and elsewhere in the series. What I'm not so keen about is dwelling on family issues and the possibility of shoehorning in some cloying past connection between Bond and Blofeld (if he's even in B24!) á la the cases @bondjames referenced. Not saying that will be the case in B24, but it's a possibility best avoided. Like I said, I'm pro navel-gazing (in moderation) and to avoid any confusion, I'm pro complexity, gravitas, drama, and layers, too. ;)

    I agree completely @Some_Kind_Of_Hero. 100%. I too am all for layers etc.

    However, it's become too easy to concoct some convenient connection in major blockbusters to induce emotions & sympathies.....to make the hero more relateable & simplistically explain why he acts the way he does or emotes. In my opinion that's lazy. Hopefully Mendes rises above this. I'm hopeful, but concerned by this recent speculation.....
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