Skyfall: Billion Dollar Bond

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  • Posts: 277
    Skyfall hold was pretty good considering the competition made nearly $100 ww this weekend. $850 mil is the low end of expectations now.
  • Posts: 6,601
    Wha gave you the idea, he did that? I mean, the consideration is in the air obviously, but what has changed?
  • doubleoego wrote:
    There's no way EoN are going to accept Mendes not returning to direct the next one.

    I think the Bond producers will certainly try to convince Sam hard to come back onboard for Bond 24. Some arguments Babs and Michael can make:
    --> When it comes to directing a second Bond film, you must understand you do it for creative reasons.
    --> Many directors are afraid of doing a second, because they can't find the creativity for a second. That's wrong. Every Bond film needs a new approach, but every Bond film also needs a familiair approach. It's exactly that what a director can do a second time.
    --> Every Bond film is different, but off course within a certain formula. We would love to see you direct a Bond where Bond is doing one hell of a mission....without intense scrutiny of MI6 and M.
    --> Apart from the production process of 'Skyfall' being very intense and time consuming, you cannot deny we were one hell of a big family. On top of that, Ralph Fiennes, Naomie Harris, Ben Whishaw and Danny return. And you can bring Thomas and Roger onboard again as well.
    --> We make sure that the next Bond film will premiere in 2015 instead of Sony's wishes of moving forward to a 2014 release. You need to have your time.
    --> Lastly, please watch these DVD's. They are documentaries about past director Terence Young and how he found the inspiration for his three films.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited November 2012 Posts: 13,350
    Samuel001 wrote:
    I said $600M internationally. Get your facts straight.
    Well, it will very probably turn out wrong too !

    Obviously. I last made that point over a week ago. As I said earlier, your list of figures for The Dark Knight Rises proved that would be the case, as if there was any doubt left.

    Also, small technicality. I stated "no way" not "NO WAY". I didn't capitalise.
    No one saw this coming, and that includes you

    Obviously not and I never made out that I did. The only person was G_G, unless you thought it would blow the roof off too.

    I do think $900 million may just be missed out on but I'm not being arrogant about it, just sharing my opinion. If you feel I'm attacking you, really I'm not, not at all.
  • Now I must admit that the 900 million mark is much more than a possibility.
  • And guys? Let's stay positive OK? We can compare with other films too :-D! 'Skyfall' is gonna CRUSH Christopher Nolan's 'Inception', the last 'Indiana Jones' and 'Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol'. And in the end, 'Skyfall' will be among the three most succesful Bond films EVVA, with inflation adjustments taken into account.

    I call that.....one hell of a skyfall.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    And guys? Let's stay positive OK? We can compare with other films too :-D! 'Skyfall' is gonna CRUSH Christopher Nolan's 'Inception', the last 'Indiana Jones' and 'Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol'. And in the end, 'Skyfall' will be among the three most succesful Bond films EVVA, with inflation adjustments taken into account.

    I call that.....one hell of a skyfall.

    Personally I couldn't give two shits whether it surpasses any of these films. I've been a Bond fan my entire life and I've never been interested in B.O. It's the films and the films alone that have enthralled me. I'm amazed and somewhat proud that we've taken Skyfall to our hearts in the UK. However, when the dust settles, B.O. means nothing. It's all about legacy. DAD was massively successful. I'm not comparing SF to it in any way but what I will say is, don't attribute too much value to the film's B.O. It's a mugs game and a sure sign that you value capitalism over creativity.
  • Posts: 277
    GG crushing inception is impressive in some ways but overall Inception had a much better box office run. One of best of recent times as it was an original movie with a complex plot and different themes from most blockbusters so for it to make over $800 mil ww was a minor miracle. Skyfall is one of the few films of recent years to deserve the huge amounts it's making thou.
  • Posts: 6,601
    htall90 wrote:
    GG crushing inception is impressive in some ways but overall Inception had a much better box office run. One of best of recent times as it was an original movie with a complex plot and different themes from most blockbusters so for it to make over $800 mil ww was a minor miracle. Skyfall is one of the few films of recent years to deserve the huge amounts it's making thou.

    This is true. It didn'*t have the advantage of being a well known and loved franchise.

  • Germanlady wrote:
    htall90 wrote:
    GG crushing inception is impressive in some ways but overall Inception had a much better box office run. One of best of recent times as it was an original movie with a complex plot and different themes from most blockbusters so for it to make over $800 mil ww was a minor miracle. Skyfall is one of the few films of recent years to deserve the huge amounts it's making thou.

    This is true. It didn'*t have the advantage of being a well known and loved franchise.

    Being part of a 50 year long franchise has also got plentiful disadvantages. One of the reasons that the latest Batman films are rated so much higher on IMDB, RT and Metacritic, is very simple to explain really. The fanbase of Nolan's Batman films is more loyal, more new. With James Bond, there are always a bunch of people who will say regardless of the quality of a film "Ughh, I am not gonna watch a Bond film".

    So, again, it's not so easy to say 'Inception' had a better box office run.
  • Posts: 6,601
    You know, I am all for SF, but to be fair, a film like Inception had to make it on its own purely. Many people go, because its Bond and later then, give their opinon. Films with unknown characers have to do more convincing to get the buts into the theaters in the first place. Have they done that, both films will work or not by word of mouth IMO.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 11,119
    Germanlady wrote:
    You know, I am all for SF, but to be fair, a film like Inception had to make it on its own purely. Many people go, because its Bond and later then, give their opinon. Films with unknown characers have to do more convincing to get the buts into the theaters in the first place. Have they done that, both films will work or not by word of mouth IMO.

    'Hancock' did something similar too.....I found that box office gross even more 'special'. 'Inception' still could lift one one big name: Christopher Nolan. Even the biggest actors like to play in one of his movies and don't mind that their names are being outperformed by the director's name Christopher Nolan.
  • Posts: 277
    Of course it does just because christopher nolan is a big director does not mean fans watch all his films. Bond has an advantage of 50 years of built up fans of all ages and a kind of mythology around the series which Inception had none what so ever. Also Inception themes and concept are a lot harder selling point to a mass audience then almost any blockbuster of the last ten years that has made more then half a billion ww.
  • Posts: 277
    Hancock is a superhero film with at the time the worlds biggest movie star. Will smith literally could release anything and it would make a profit. Superhero films plus Will Smith equals huge box office returns.
  • Germanlady wrote:
    You know, I am all for SF, but to be fair, a film like Inception had to make it on its own purely. Many people go, because its Bond and later then, give their opinon. Films with unknown characers have to do more convincing to get the buts into the theaters in the first place. Have they done that, both films will work or not by word of mouth IMO.

    Actually, I know a lot of people who really wanted to see Inception as it was the first film Chris Nolan did since The Dark Knight.

    He was a HUUUUGGGEEE advantage for the film. Especially after making such an awesome film. A bit like how a lot of the audience for King Kong were people interested in seeing Peter Jackson's first film since the Lord of the Rings, or James Cameron and Titanic/Avatar.

  • Posts: 6,601
    Hancock was successful? I thought, it was not.. :-?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,372
    Germanlady wrote:
    Hancock was successful? I thought, it was not.. :-?

    Budget: $150,000,000 (estimated)
    Opening Weekend: $62,603,879 (USA) (6 July 2008) (3965 Screens)
    Gross: $624,386,746 (Worldwide)

    Factoring in advertising and promotional bits, seems pretty successful to me. Film was still bad, though.
  • Posts: 421
    Oh, hello new highest-grossing Bond film. I felt I was it was our destiny to meet ;)
  • Posts: 6,601
    Creasy47 wrote:
    Germanlady wrote:
    Hancock was successful? I thought, it was not.. :-?

    Budget: $150,000,000 (estimated)
    Opening Weekend: $62,603,879 (USA) (6 July 2008) (3965 Screens)
    Gross: $624,386,746 (Worldwide)

    Factoring in advertising and promotional bits, seems pretty successful to me. Film was still bad, though.

    Thanks, I was wrong then. I thought the first half was decent, then it went downhill.
  • @Gustav_Graves I don't get your list. Is it just action films?
  • Posts: 12,506
    Great box office figures! Be interesting to see how high the movie climbs once it hits China?
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 11,119
    RogueAgent wrote:
    Great box office figures! Be interesting to see how high the movie climbs once it hits China?

    The Chinese market has just opened recently for big Hollywood blockbusters. I think it was around 2004 that China's politics gradually allowed foreign blockbusters to enter their market. Usually after big censorship scrutiny (M's line in 'Casino Royale' "Christ, I miss the Cold War" had to be deleted for the Chinese market). And the Chinese have the last say in the final premiere dates.

    Having said that, here are some figures that show the Chinese market is quickly becoming very important. 'Casino Royale' was the first ever Bond film to premiere in China and 'The Dark Knight Rises' was the first Batman film to premiere in China. here's a list:

    --> 2006 - $ 11.8 K - 'Casino Royale'
    --> 2007 - $ 3.0 K - 'The Bourne Ultimatum'
    --> 2008 - $ 21.0 K - 'Quantum Of Solace'
    --> 2008 - $ 15.1 K - 'Hancock'
    --> 2008 - not allowed - 'The Dark Knight' (reasons not given, but Chinese refused 'The Dark Knight')
    --> 2010 - $ 68.4 K - 'Inception' (premiered two months after premiere in USA)
    --> 2011 - $101.2 K - 'Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol' (premiered 6 weeks after premiere in USA)
    --> 2012 - $ 52.8 K - 'The Dark Knight Rises' (premiered one month after premiere in USA)
    --> 2012 - $ 16.1 K - 'The Bourne Legacy'
    --> 2012 - not opened yet - 'Taken 2'


    As you can see, the market in China is only just opening up. Delays, initiated by the state run censorship board in China, usually don't have much influence. For the Chinese audience franchises like Batman and Bond are as new to them as Volkswagen.

    Having said that, I think 'Skyfall' will earn past $ 100 K in China. Quite easily. Especially when you take into account that 'M:I - Ghost Protocol' did a lot better than 'TDKR'. Andd.....'Skyfall' was partially filmed in China as well.
  • Posts: 229
    5722.000 tickets sold in France for its fourth weeks. Skyfall is now second in the 2011 Box office in France behind "Ice age 4" with 6500.000 tickets sold.

    6000.000 tickets sold is a sure bet.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 1,021
    @maxcraig - great news for SKYFALL in France. Lets hope it can dethrone Ice Age 4 from the number 1 spot...I hope so! Its an incredible result for SKYFALL in France. I have never understood the appeal of the ICE AGE franchise...!

    UPDATED- TICKETS SOLD IN FRANCE FROM DR NO - SKYFALL

    DN 4,772,574
    FRWL 5,623,391
    GF 6,675,099 - the most tickets sold!
    TB 5,734,842
    YOLT 4,489,249
    OHMSS 1,958,172 - a huge drop from the Connery films!
    DAF 2,493,739 - Connery's least succesful
    LALD 3,053,913
    TMWTGG 2,873,898
    TSWLM 3,500,993 - Roger Moore's most succesful in FRANCE
    MR 3,171,274
    FYEO 3,181,840
    OP 2,944,481
    AVTAK 2,423,306 - Roger's least succesful - A huge decline since TSWLM
    TLD 1,955,471 - The lowest number of tickets sold!...Poor Timothy!
    LTK 2,093,006
    GE 3,489,833 - A huge leap after 6 years off the screen...
    TND n/a
    TWINE 3,406,691
    DAD 3,996,123
    CR 3,149,946
    QOS 3,709,535
    SF - 5,722,000

    SF is only 12,843 from outselling THUNDERBALL!!!...

    SF now the 3rd most succesful BOND FILM after GF and TB...!
  • Posts: 2,341
    Skyfall is a great film and it seems that the rule of three still applies to Bond movies.
    If we think of how Criag has to step into some big shoes to fill following the Brosnan age. I was never a fan of PB or his moviesw (except GE) but he was a beloved Bond and has many fans. I am reminded of the hate that DC received when it was announced that he was the new Bond. It was reminscent of the hate that GL received having to replace HRH Sean Connery.
    DC is a supreb actor, Purvis and Wade got their shytt together, Mendes is a top notch director and the casting department was on their game as well. DC has some great chemistry with both Naomi and Berenice. Jarvier played Silva suprebly. The whole cast including, Fiennes, the geek playing Q were all up for this one.
  • These are amazing numbers! When you imagine how much money it will make on blu-ray/DVD too, you can see that this is an extremely profitable film! I read that most films don't even make any profit on their theatrical release, they only make profit once they are into blu-ray/dvd sales. Well this film has gone way beyond that.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 389
    I am not sure if SF is going to get net proffit from its theatrical run. Production budget is 200 million and probably they have spent almost the same in prints and ads. Studios usually get about 55% of domestic gross and 40-45% of internationaL box office. However, with the product placement they will have net proffits before the DVD n BD release.
  • Samuel001 wrote:
    I'm not being arrogant about it, just sharing my opinion. If you feel I'm attacking you, really I'm not, not at all.
    No, not me !
    But to some others who were very optimistic, you were pretty harsh in trying to bring them "down to earth". And since, in the end, their predictions "done with the heart, not the mind", were better than yours, maybe you should apology to some :)
    What I call arrogant is well, the "no way" about all the foreign markets, and also some comment like

    "No Bond film has made more than $426,793,106 internationally. So work it out.
    $600 million is too much of a leap."

    Well, as they say, past performance does not necessarily predict future results...


  • edited November 2012 Posts: 2,015
    SF now the 3rd most succesful BOND FILM after GF and TB...!
    And the most successful if you consider only the first release ! (GF and TB 's figures take into account the re-releases of years after). It seems France was waiting for an auteur to take on Bond !
  • I am not sure if SF is going to get net proffit from its theatrical run. Production budget is 200 million and probably they have spent almost the same in prints and ads. Studios usually get about 55% of domestic gross and 40-45% of internationaL box office. However, with the product placement they will have net proffits before the DVD n BD release.

    Good point, although who knows how accurate that 200 million figure is? Has there been an official validation of it, or was it just an industry guess?

    Also, I think in the Empire podcast interview the writers said that the film didn't actually earn money from product placement at all, but rather co-promotions: ie if there is a product in the film, that brand have tie-in ads which effectively give the film millions more value of promotion.
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