Parts of Bond Movies that Don't Make Sense

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  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I've always wanted to know something. Whenever the name of the actor who plays M comes up, why does it always say "and (Judi Dench) as M".

    None of the other characters get this sort of acknowledgment, why only M?

    It's the coveted "and" credit. It basically amounts to second billing.
  • edited August 2012 Posts: 4,622
    For anyone wondering how Tiffany knew to follow Ernst-in-drag out of the casino, I think this mystery has finally been solved, or at least I've finally heard a plausible explanation.
    Namely that Tiffany had simply been made privy to Bond's discovery of Blofeld masquerading as Willard Whyte. It all fits. Bond and Leiter had clued her in. Presumably they told her about Blofeld's cat too. Remember there was something about Ernst that caught her attention as he strolled throught the casino, aside from looking like a hideous woman. Seems it was the cat. Remember, "look what the cat dragged in." So Tiffany, eager to please Bond and Felix, gave pursuit, presumably just to surveil, only to be found out and shoved into the car by Ernst's henchman.
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    There are some very clever posts here where viewers have obviously scrutinised the films very closely and in great detail - but there is one completely obvious scene that makes no sense at all in Sean Connery's 'You Only Live Twice'. Bond and a Japanese girl have scaled the heights of a Volcanoe not knowing what to find when they reach the top. They are surprised to find the volcanoe has a metal lid. As the lid opens to reveal a rocket base below,Bond,who has been disguised as a fisherman , suddenly removes his outer clothing to reveal a tight fitting jump suit complete with suction pads to enable his descent into the base.All this with no prior knowledge of the rocket base existence!Roahld Dahl (screenwriter) are you having us on ?
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    My best guess if that Tiger had secreted a ninja ewuipment near the volcano. We simply did not see Bond (who until then didn't wear anything under his clothes) retrieve it before scaling the volcano, that's all. Can I get a No-Prize ?
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    I always figured Bond must have been prepared for this kind of thing and hid the ninja uniform under his clothes in order to stay under cover as a japanese fisherman. I think he was quite suspicious since he was attacked by several helicopters when he was flying over the volcano.
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    In AVTAK, why does Bond write down in a little notebook the clues of the case after hearing Pola Ivanova's tape?
    Did Bond had Alzeheimer's disease? Because I can't believe an experienced agent couldn't remember three or four names...
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    0013 wrote:
    In AVTAK, why does Bond write down in a little notebook the clues of the case after hearing Pola Ivanova's tape?
    Did Bond had Alzeheimer's disease? Because I can't believe an experienced agent couldn't remember three or four names...

    Perhaps, he was quite old obviously. :D

    But perhaps they were just copying GF, but in that movie Bond had a reason, since he tried to get the note to the CIA. In AVTAK Bond must be suffering from impaired memory.
  • Being quick, the line I believe was a reference to the Italian American community of New York years ago who sold commerce on trays. Having your own shop was a sign of prosperity or making a name for one's self, whereas when selling delicatessen on trays, they had to be put on stainless steel for hygiene reasons. Therefore, any offers up front, and no hidden agendas. As Blofeld had been involved in the killing of Bonds wife some years ealier, he (oo7) was not going to taken in by such a plea. That's about the long and short of it, but still didn't need to be included..

    It wasn't an Italian US identity known for its "stainless steel" delis.
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    Re stainless steel deli: in mafia circles at one time, it was considered to be a worthy bribe. From IMDB's FYEO faq.
    "It seems that a delicatessen was a popular mafia commodity back in the roaring 20's and 30's, and the most valuable delis were the ones with stainless steel countertops (easy to clean, thus less bacteria-laden than wooden chopping blocks). Consequently, a "delicatessen in stainless steel" was considered a worthy gift and thus a potent bribe. It is reported that the phrase is attributable to Albert R. Broccoli."
    I always figured Bond must have been prepared for this kind of thing and hid the ninja uniform under his clothes in order to stay under cover as a japanese fisherman. I think he was quite suspicious since he was attacked by several helicopters when he was flying over the volcano.
    I think this is pretty much it. Bond knew that Spectre was in the vicinity due to the helicopter attack. He also had suspicions about the volcano, so he came prepared with full ninja gear under his fishing disguise. The suction cups, I think we are to presume, were fortuitous ninja gear, that came in very handy.

  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited August 2012 Posts: 9,117
    Creasy47 wrote:
    I think this is pretty much it. Bond knew that Spectre was in the vicinity due to the helicopter attack. He also had suspicions about the volcano, so he came prepared with full ninja gear under his fishing disguise. The suction cups, I think we are to presume, were fortuitous ninja gear, that came in very handy.

    Which begs the question why did the SPECTRE choppers attack Little Nellie for as Bond says seconds before hes attacked 'theres nothing here but volcanoes'? Hes just about to fly off but they put up a banner which reads 'something suspicious going on here.'

    Add this error to Ernst spending literally the GDP of a small nation to fund a space programme on a par with what NASA and the Russians were doing at the time and I have to say if I was a SPECTRE shareholder I'd be entitled to ask 'Just what the heck is going on? You can forget your bonus Ernst.'

    The idea is to make money isnt it? Surely there were easier ways to provoke a war? How about just dressing two tanks up in Soviet and US livery and have them start lobbing shells over the Berlin Wall?
    At least try that and if it doesnt work you can go back to the Chinese and say 'Actually I will need to hollow out that volcano and construct a fully functioning space program after all.'

    Utterly mental.
  • edited August 2012 Posts: 4,622
    Which begs the question why did the SPECTRE choppers attack Little Nellie for as Bond says seconds before hes attacked 'theres nothing here but volcanoes'? Hes just about to fly off but they put up a banner which reads 'something suspicious going on here.'
    Add this error to Ernst spending literally the GDP of a small nation to fund a space programme on a par with what NASA and the Russians were doing at the time and I have to say if I was a SPECTRE shareholder I'd be entitled to ask 'Just what the f**k is going on? You can forget your bonus Ernst.'
    The idea is to make money isnt it? Surely there were easier ways to provoke a war? How about just dressing two tanks up in Soviet and US livery and have them start lobbing shells over the Berlin Wall?
    At least try that and if it doesnt work you can go back to the Chinese and say 'Actually I will need to hollow out that volcano and construct a fully functioning space program after all.'
    Utterly mental.
    Yes but do you also really need to maintain a piranha pit to kill people? Rich megalomaniac supervillains have their quirks. It's go big or go home. Blofeld operates in a different headspace than your garden variety mafia don or Union Corse boss. Operating a secret volcano rocket base, which also doubled as his swank living quarters, with piranha pit, is what turns his crank. Priviliges of amassing astronomical sums of ill-gotten gains. It all makes perfect sense. I wouldn't expect Blofeld to provoke a world war any other way. Who wouldn't want their own private space program? Blofeld's goal here was to destroy the two major superpowers, probably jerk over the Chinese later, and achieve world domination. I would expect no less from the man. That's why the world needs 007.
    The attack on Little Nellie, ultimately backfired as 007 blew all the enemy helicopters out of the air. But the plan obviously was that the unwelcome scout copter (Bond's) be blown out of the air, and life goes on at the Spectre volcano. However best laid plans.....007 has made a career of foiling supervillains.

  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    timmer wrote:
    Priviliges of amassing astronomical sums of ill-gotten gains.

    What ill gotten gains?

    Doctor No was blown to buggery along with the nuclear reactor and toppling equipment presumably funded by SPECTRE.
    The Russians never got their Lektor back so presume they didnt cough up for that.
    Largo and his expenseively assembled team with his hydrofoil and tons of underwater kit was a shambles and now the most expensive of the lot - YOLT - is another debacle.

    For one thing Ernst is no super villain hes an absolute clown and for another just how is SPECTRE funding the volcano and space program? Their last 3 big schemes have gone tits up - they cant still be surviving on their consultancy fee for the great train robbery and squeezing that money out of that Japanese bloke - 'all the man had'!
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    timmer wrote:
    Priviliges of amassing astronomical sums of ill-gotten gains.

    What ill gotten gains?

    Doctor No was blown to buggery along with the nuclear reactor and toppling equipment presumably funded by SPECTRE.
    The Russians never got their Lektor back so presume they didnt cough up for that.
    Largo and his expenseively assembled team with his hydrofoil and tons of underwater kit was a shambles and now the most expensive of the lot - YOLT - is another debacle.

    For one thing Ernst is no super villain hes an absolute clown and for another just how is SPECTRE funding the volcano and space program? Their last 3 big schemes have gone tits up - they cant still be surviving on their consultancy fee for the great train robbery and squeezing that money out of that Japanese bloke - 'all the man had'!

    Well, it was my understanding that it was the Chinese who were bankrolling Spectre in YOLT. ?And let's not forget that Blofeld and Spectre had their hands in a lot of pies, in addition of the four plans Bond smashed, and the ones that were mentioned in TB.

  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Gerard wrote:
    timmer wrote:
    Priviliges of amassing astronomical sums of ill-gotten gains.

    What ill gotten gains?

    Doctor No was blown to buggery along with the nuclear reactor and toppling equipment presumably funded by SPECTRE.
    The Russians never got their Lektor back so presume they didnt cough up for that.
    Largo and his expenseively assembled team with his hydrofoil and tons of underwater kit was a shambles and now the most expensive of the lot - YOLT - is another debacle.

    For one thing Ernst is no super villain hes an absolute clown and for another just how is SPECTRE funding the volcano and space program? Their last 3 big schemes have gone tits up - they cant still be surviving on their consultancy fee for the great train robbery and squeezing that money out of that Japanese bloke - 'all the man had'!

    Well, it was my understanding that it was the Chinese who were bankrolling Spectre in YOLT. ?And let's not forget that Blofeld and Spectre had their hands in a lot of pies, in addition of the four plans Bond smashed, and the ones that were mentioned in TB.

    Yeah but would you go to a company with such a track record of failure?

    The only plans that seemed to have worked are tinpot little bank jobs and blackmailings as detailed at the meeting in TB. All their big earners have been scuppered by Bond.

    And if they had any other sizeable plans we dont know about surely Bond would have been assigned to the case and shafted those as well?

    Unless maybe they had one that didnt affect the UK government so Bond never got wind of it? Mind you he doesnt mind poking his nose into cases that dont affect Britain (GF, YOLT, DAF, to name a few).

    Perhaps they had a big success when Bond was distracted by GF that got them the respect of the Chinese?
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    Perhaps SPECTRE had a big success when Bond was distracted by GF that got them the respect of the Chinese?

    That was perhaps what M and Draco were talking about during Bond's marriage in OHMSS? :D
  • DB5DB5
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    In "Goldfinger" James Bond attaches a tracking device to Goldfinger's Rolls Royce (apparently that's the whole point of the golf game). This enables Bond to track Goldfinger to his installation in Switzerland. But then Tilly Masterson shows up there. How does TM know where Goldfinger's Swiss installation is? And how is it that she knows but Bond doesn't know? And if Bond does know, what's the point of the tracking device?
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    DB5 wrote:
    In "Goldfinger" James Bond attaches a tracking device to Goldfinger's Rolls Royce (apparently that's the whole point of the golf game). This enables Bond to track Goldfinger to his installation in Switzerland. But then Tilly Masterson shows up there. How does TM know where Goldfinger's Swiss installation is? And how is it that she knows but Bond doesn't know? And if Bond does know, what's the point of the tracking device?

    She either got it from Jill or just followed Goldfinger rather more blatantly than Bond.
  • DB5DB5
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    DB5 wrote:
    In "Goldfinger" James Bond attaches a tracking device to Goldfinger's Rolls Royce (apparently that's the whole point of the golf game). This enables Bond to track Goldfinger to his installation in Switzerland. But then Tilly Masterson shows up there. How does TM know where Goldfinger's Swiss installation is? And how is it that she knows but Bond doesn't know? And if Bond does know, what's the point of the tracking device?

    She either got it from Jill or just followed Goldfinger rather more blatantly than Bond.

    But how could she have "followed" Goldfinger?" Last we saw Tilly Masterson she was at a Swiss auto repair shop waiting to have her car towed so she could have new tires installed. Even Bond is concerned with how far away Goldfinger is at that point. And if Jill told her, what does it say about MI6 that an ordinary citizen knows more about an international gold smuggler's base of operations than British Intelligence?
  • doubleonothingdoubleonothing Los Angeles
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    I think she probably just looked it up on Google Maps. Either that or she got the location of Auric Enterprises from their website.

    Actually, come to think of it, I suppose Bond might have thought "hum, Goldfinger's going to Switzerland, eh? I wonder if he's going to go to that massive smelting facility he owns there? The one that everyone knows about and is probably listed in the phone book. Just to be sure, I'll use an elaborately staged meeting where I potentially risk loosing £5000 worth of the treasury's bullion to a dangerous criminal, just to plant a homing device on his car. I suppose I could just stay out of sight and plant the homer and then follow him...nah, I'll play golf with him and make sure I really annoy him instead."
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    In YOLT they spend all day climbing the volcano but then when they realise its the right one she goes all the way back to the village for help and back to volcano in very little time
  • DB5DB5
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    Alan007 wrote:
    In YOLT they spend all day climbing the volcano but then when they realise its the right one she goes all the way back to the village for help and back to volcano in very little time

    And she's still wearing her bikini! You'd think she would have had time to change while Tiger Tanaka was organizing his army of ninjas!

  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    DB5 wrote:
    DB5 wrote:
    In "Goldfinger" James Bond attaches a tracking device to Goldfinger's Rolls Royce (apparently that's the whole point of the golf game). This enables Bond to track Goldfinger to his installation in Switzerland. But then Tilly Masterson shows up there. How does TM know where Goldfinger's Swiss installation is? And how is it that she knows but Bond doesn't know? And if Bond does know, what's the point of the tracking device?

    She either got it from Jill or just followed Goldfinger rather more blatantly than Bond.

    But how could she have "followed" Goldfinger?" Last we saw Tilly Masterson she was at a Swiss auto repair shop waiting to have her car towed so she could have new tires installed. Even Bond is concerned with how far away Goldfinger is at that point. And if Jill told her, what does it say about MI6 that an ordinary citizen knows more about an international gold smuggler's base of operations than British Intelligence?

    As doubleonothing states Auric Enterprises is probably in the Yellow Pages so doesnt need a genius to find it even if Jill never told her about it.
    Bond doesnt know where Goldfinger is going after the golf game so I suppose it makes sense to use the tracker although he doesnt seem to be making any particular effort to hide himself so I dont know quite why Bond has to tail him so closely. Wouldnt a call to station Z to keep an eye on him when he landed have sufficed?
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    In the PTS of Octopussy, the guards in the Jeep guarding Bond are wearing parachutes, why?
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    Well, remember that it happened at an aerial meeting. So they may have been paratroopers, ready for a jump until Toro drafted them to escort Bond.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Gerard wrote:
    Well, remember that it happened at an aerial meeting. So they may have been paratroopers, ready for a jump until Toro drafted them to escort Bond.


    I think you'll find that it happened at a horse racing meeting. The airshow aspect with the barrel rolls was Bond just taking the piss at the end.

    Another parachute query - why is Tim still wearing one after landing on the Rock of Gibraltar? Wouldnt he just dump it as soon as he landed as they weigh a ton to lug around. And it seems to be his main chute so are we to assume he pulled his reserve initially or that he was wearing 2 chutes? Either explanation is nonsensical.
  • Mathis is cleared when it is discovered that Vesper was compromised. First by her Algerian boyfriend and then after le Chiffre captured her and Bond, Mr. White agrees to spare JB's life in exchange for the winnings...hence, why she committed suicide when the plan to turn over money went awry.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Donnie wrote:
    Mathis is cleared when it is discovered that Vesper was compromised. First by her Algerian boyfriend and then after le Chiffre captured her and Bond, Mr. White agrees to spare JB's life in exchange for the winnings...hence, why she committed suicide when the plan to turn over money went awry.

    She committed suicide because she couldn't bear to be with Bond knowing what she had done to him. She would rather die than face the man she loved, knowing she was a traitor.
  • Colonel Moon as Gustav Graves.
  • In the simplest terms, Moon, as a North Korean military officer, was assumed dead in the pre credits sequence, and his father had Bond imprisoned for fourteen months as a direct result of it. Moon, however survived and underwent DNA surgery to alter his image in Cuba and reappeared later in the movie as Gustav Graves. He intended to invade South Korea in an attempt to make the North one of the worlds superpowers
  • edited December 2012 Posts: 202
    The shootout in the falling house at the end of ROYALE.

    Made no sense. Didn't even need to be in the film.
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