Quick Big Mi6 Main Villain Ranking Game

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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Enemy of the state
    Posts: 41,590
    I am his biggest fan. 5th place from me. One of the highlights of an otherwise quite uneven film.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 19,746
    Jürgens is a good actor in a surprisingly well-written role that serves as a surrogate for Blofeld.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    Posts: 31,024
    I think he's great for all of the reasons that I stated above. I had him in the 12th spot. I'm glad to see several members rank hm in their Top Ten. On a given day he could have done so with me.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    edited September 12 Posts: 2,897
    I had Stromberg at 23. Maybe a bit too low but the villain himself is a bit boring. No interesting dialogues and he is only sitting in his chair. Only sitting around is perfect for Faceless Blofeld but not for Stromberg.
    If I would also count the setting, he would deserve a higher ranking. His first scene is awesome, his demise a bit uncreative.
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    Stromberg is no 22 for me! As goldenswissroyale states, he's just a bit boring, though I do love Jurgens croaky voice, his character is just not that interesting! Not crazy about his clothing either, in his final scene he looks like he's about to switch on Bob Ross for a painting session!
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    Posts: 2,897
    Yes, his voice is good.
  • Yes, his voice is good.

    That's about as far as I go with him too. 23 for me as well.

    He's boring, he seems bored himself, and he's just going through the motions of being a supervillain. He's got a big plan, but it doesn't really make sense, and he doesn't seem that invested in it. He takes Anya with him despite not suggesting an ounce of sexuality about him, because that's what villains do.

    He really just sits and stands around a lot, and I think we see him eating at least twice. He never really loses his temper. I don't even really care for his intro scene, though I get why people do. I mean, we've just seen that he doesn't mind killing people in his headquarters, so why waste a helicopter (and begin the process of transferring money) for no reason? I know it's a silly movie and these things happen, but dumb behavior that's strictly for the benefit of the audience is kind of a pet peeve of mine....
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    My 21...
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 34,970
    I love Stromberg, he came in at 13th in my ranking. He may not be the most active villain but there's something about him that always strikes me, the way he can casually sit and have a meal while executing several people through different means. I love his death scene, too, simple yet brutal.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
    Posts: 1,201
    I had Curt Jurgens’ Stromberg at 15. A “middle of the pack” Bond villain, I find him to be serviceable, but he has a surprising lack of witty one liners. While TSWLM is a far better movie than MR, Drax (by way of comparison) is a much more memorable villain. To a certain extent, Stromberg plays second fiddle to Jaws in his own movie.

    Anyway, I always find his “why do we wish to conquer space” line humorous in light of one of his other roles…..
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  • Not the best-written villain, that's for sure. And Jurgens is a great actor, star of many notable European films, but I think he was wasted here. A villain up in age and secluded in his lair is not a bad idea, just the execution was too simplistic. Stromberg has no context... no backstory.
  • I had Stromberg at 23, which maybe a bit too harsh but he really needed a larger than life presence for such a larger than life movie. He’s sort of a 2nd rate Blofeld with webbed fingers, but he’s not actively bad or anything and I like a lot scenes that involve him even if he’s not really a highlight of them.
  • ShakenNotStirredShakenNotStirred James Bond Will Return
    Posts: 1,181
    #23 for me as well. Probably the weakest aspect in an otherwise great film.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    edited September 12 Posts: 7,209
    I had him in the 15th spot. I like him, just not quite top 10 material. I really enjoy how he exudes a silent menace. Yes, he sits around. He's old, rich and powerful and has been used to getting his way for a long time.

    While Drax comes off as more of a space Hitler with irrational reams of a perfect race, Stromberg seems like he really, really hates people. The guy is downright evil and despicable. His death scene is also fantastic, one of Moore's best (and most underrated) kills. Both actors expertly sell how much these two characters really dislike each other.
  • edited September 12 Posts: 999
    Stromberg has no context... no backstory.

    I think that's it. When you learn that he was originally going to be Blofeld, it all makes sense. Stromberg is just filling in.

  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    Posts: 2,897
    Isn't the lack of backstory a fact for most of the villains (especially from the 60s to the 80s)?

    And what about his mentioned webbed fingers? I always thought his fingers looked normal to me?
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    Isn't the lack of backstory a fact for most of the villains (especially from the 60s to the 80s)?

    And what about his mentioned webbed fingers? I always thought his fingers looked normal to me?

    Oh yes, the webbed fingers, yes he does have them, that is a good moment, when Naomi tells Bond that Stromberg prefers not to shake hands, Bond, of course puts his hand out deliberately to shake it!
  • edited September 12 Posts: 5,986
    My last viewing made me realize just how good of an intro scene Stromberg has. It's one of the best scenes in the film and calls back to Thunderball's board meeting. His voice echoing through the shark tank chamber truly is the voice of some malevolent god. I'm also fond of "Hurry, Commander. I'm not renowned for my patience."
    And what about his mentioned webbed fingers? I always thought his fingers looked normal to me?

    I do wish they had better displayed his webbed fingers because they were a great idea for a supervillain with a mania for all things aquatic. We see them briefly a couple of times, but they're never the camera's focus. I think we get our best glimpse of them when he points at one of the underwater viewing portals when meeting with Bond for the first time.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    Posts: 2,897
    I checked the first meeting between Bond and Stromberg on youtube and I had to watch it twice before I was really sure that I spotted the webbed fingers. I've read about this before on this forum but forgot it again and never spotted them when I was watching the movie. Thanks for filling my knowledge gap here!
    Yes, his voice is good.

    That's about as far as I go with him too. 23 for me as well.

    He's boring, he seems bored himself, and he's just going through the motions of being a supervillain. He's got a big plan, but it doesn't really make sense, and he doesn't seem that invested in it. He takes Anya with him despite not suggesting an ounce of sexuality about him, because that's what villains do.

    He really just sits and stands around a lot, and I think we see him eating at least twice. He never really loses his temper. I don't even really care for his intro scene, though I get why people do. I mean, we've just seen that he doesn't mind killing people in his headquarters, so why waste a helicopter (and begin the process of transferring money) for no reason? I know it's a silly movie and these things happen, but dumb behavior that's strictly for the benefit of the audience is kind of a pet peeve of mine....

    Your point about Anya is interesting. It really doesn't make sense to take her with him. What is his aim there?

    Fair point about the wasted helicopter. However, I love this scene and I'm happy that they did this dumb behaviour...Bond movies wouldn't be much fun otherwise. I wonder what you say about Goldfinger's behaviour in Kentucky at his farm?
  • I checked the first meeting between Bond and Stromberg on youtube and I had to watch it twice before I was really sure that I spotted the webbed fingers. I've read about this before on this forum but forgot it again and never spotted them when I was watching the movie. Thanks for filling my knowledge gap here!

    Sure thing! Like I said, I wish we had gotten just one or two shots where you could really see he had hands like the Gill-man. Not a gratuitous close-up insert, but something integral to the scene. Perhaps there could have been a close-up of Stromberg's webbed hand caressing Anya's cheek when she's tied up or a low angle of him dining where we see his webbed hand fully in the frame clutching his cup. Just a couple instances of this would have sold the idea and made his grotesquerie a more fully apparent and memorable trait.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    edited September 12 Posts: 31,024
    I'm assuming those of you who never noticed the webs must be those who were too young to see it in the theater. They were very clear from the start on the big screen. I don't think they could have been missed. Other "Originals" or those who started with Moore, same experience? These films weren't made with home viewing in mind.
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
    edited September 13 Posts: 2,897
    Yes, I was born in '87 and never had the pleasure to watch the Bond movies from the 60s to the 80s on the big screen. I usually still watch them on DVD (!) on my mediocre TV.
  • edited September 13 Posts: 999
    I'm 39 but I have seen TSWLM on the big screen. Don't recall noticing the hands though. The matte paintings were the biggest surprise for me!
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e il momento che verrà
    Posts: 5,597
    Next up, at 18, we have:

    JONATHAN PRYCE
    as Elliott Carver
    in TOMORROW NEVER DIES

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    Elliott collected three top 10’s: one 6th place, one 7th place and one 8th place. Six more top 15’s were noted. All of those were either 12th or 13th places (three of each).

    At the other end, there were six bottom 5’s, with a 25th spot, his lowest finish, on three occasions.

    Elliott Carver received 93 points in total. He’s our final contestant to finish with a tally South of the 100-point mark.
  • R1s1ngs0nR1s1ngs0n France
    edited September 14 Posts: 1,183
    Carver is #13 for me. He’s the main reason I consider TND the best Brosnan entry.
    Pryce is always a delight to watch. One of the rare actors who can make an over the top character seem truly believable.
  • #18 for me. He’s not very threatening and sometime’s Price’s performance goes *too* hard on the ham, like when he’s doing the mock Kung-fu, but it’s hard not to be entertained by the guy as he’s clearly going all out with the scenery chewing. Definitely a highlight in a movie that for me is pretty boring otherwise.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 34,970
    #23 for me. I love Pryce as an actor but he's not remotely threatening in any way, shape or form in this one and a good bit of his dialogue borders on cringe for me. Still, he's animated and lively enough (that ridiculous fake-typing on the keyboard is always a treat) to avoid last place.
  • edited September 14 Posts: 999
    20 for me. And that's giving a couple extra spots because I love Jonathan Pryce.

    I think after this one, or maybe the next one (Elektra?), we'll see somewhat substantial jumps in points. This looks like the end of the consensus low-tier.

    EDIT: Ah, I forgot Max Largo. He may not get out of this tier....
  • Posts: 5,808
    25th for me for similar reasons as @Creasy47 ... There's no menace... He's simply a caricature.

    And Pryce is an incredible actor, which made/makes his performance that much more disappointing to me.
  • Posts: 3,772
    Echo what peter and Creasy47 say. Pryce is an excellent actor, but Carvers a terrible villain, i cringe when I hear him make that speech about all the news coverage he wants ("there's no news like bad news!")
    No. 24 for me!
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