NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Critical Reaction and Box Office Performance

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  • edited June 2020 Posts: 4,400
    Are we approaching the point where NTTD will come in 2021?

    I think MGM/Universal are in a tight spot...They probably felt that moving NTTD to Thanksgivings bought them a lot of time. However, considering how argressive the pandemic has been, it was actually a rather optimistic date!

    These latest release date changes from Warner only go to show that this conversation is far from over. I think the ripple effect will lead to film festivals being cancelled and eventually the Oscars will get delayed. Which means the eligibility criteria will be moved. Perhaps to the end of January or February 2021.

    I'm thinking Eon will want to move. NTTD probably to Q1 in 2021. So that means we get the film within the first 3 months. After all, it makes little sense to release the film in a period where it would make less money opposed to delaying to another period where you could be more successful. Sadly, it's looking increasingly unlikely that tentpole films will have the theatre capacity they require to actually make money this year. Sadly, this includes NTTD.

    It's been a little over 3 months since the delay. We only have 5 months left till release and 4 months till marketing has to ramp up...I think at this stage we need to look towards 2021.

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  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Do they really need 4 months for marketing? it's not like they are going to release another song. There will be a second trailer, one or two tv spots ,one or two clips from the film and that's it.
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
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    It's possible if not probable that NTTD will be pushed back too 2021.
    Never Say Never though. ;)
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Tenet has only been delayed by 2 weeks, which means that Nolan's film is just under 7 weeks away. If WB feels the current pandemic situation warrants another (much more lengthy) delay, the announcement will come soon (in the first week of July, I reckon). If such confirmation happens, I think Tenet will move to Summer 2021. Disney will have no choice but to delay Mulan. As a matter of fact, today's news about Chinese cinemas makes a Mulan delay inevitable, as its main target audience will be unavailable for the near future.

    Once both of these goes, I have no idea what will happen next. This would make Wonder Woman 1984 the first big-budget film to release post-reopening. And that films is still 4 months away (October 2nd). And, more importantly, it opens just under 1.5 months before NTTD.

    Not forgetting that by then, most cinema chains will be on the verge of collapse. So If NTTD does get delayed again, as well as nearly every major 2020 films, the question of should NTTD be released straight to VOD/streaming/Netflix will become a very real issue of discussion. Hopefully we won't reach that point. Only time will tell.
  • edited June 2020 Posts: 4,400
    Tenet has only been delayed by 2 weeks, which means that Nolan's film is just under 7 weeks away. If WB feels the current pandemic situation warrants another (much more lengthy) delay, the announcement will come soon (in the first week of July, I reckon). If such confirmation happens, I think Tenet will move to Summer 2021. Disney will have no choice but to delay Mulan. As a matter of fact, today's news about Chinese cinemas makes a Mulan delay inevitable, as its main target audience will be unavailable for the near future.

    Once both of these goes, I have no idea what will happen next. This would make Wonder Woman 1984 the first big-budget film to release post-reopening. And that films is still 4 months away (October 2nd). And, more importantly, it opens just under 1.5 months before NTTD.

    Not forgetting that by then, most cinema chains will be on the verge of collapse. So If NTTD does get delayed again, as well as nearly every major 2020 films, the question of should NTTD be released straight to VOD/streaming/Netflix will become a very real issue of discussion. Hopefully we won't reach that point. Only time will tell.

    Very good post.

    Found this on Twitter suggesting NTTD is possibly moving to Godzilla v Kong's abandoned date according to IMDB



    I agree with everything you're saying, but I don't think Tenet will bail on theatres and sit it out till next summer. I think this new announcement basically confirms that Nolan is sticking with the theatres during the pandemic and won't run off to a slot where he'd make more green. If that means bumping Tenet a few weeks every now and again, then that'll happen.

    Nolan may not get to be the 'first' big tentpole film. But it's the director's every intention to be as close to the re-opening as possible.

    Also, I dispute your point @DaltonCraig007 - In actual fact, there are a number of films opening prior to WW84 in October. They are:
    • The SpongeBob Movie: Sponge on the Run
    • Antebellum
    • Bill & Ted Face the Music
    • New Mutants
    • A Quiet Place Part II
    • The King's Man
    • Candyman

    They aren't going to be 'big' films as WW84 (aside perhaps A Quiet Place Part II). But they will definitely give theatres some hope in the wake of Tenet/Mulan and prior to WW84.

    I suppose all eyes are on the first week of July now to see how things look, there will likely be more delays as we get a clearer idea on what the reopening looks like.....in the meanwhile since we are talking about Wonder Woman, here are some pictures of Gal Gadot to help us through this difficult time.

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  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Also, I dispute your point @DaltonCraig007 - In actual fact, there are a number of films opening prior to WW84 in October. They are:
    • The SpongeBob Movie: Sponge on the Run
    • Antebellum
    • Bill & Ted Face the Music
    • New Mutants
    • A Quiet Place Part II
    • The King's Man
    • Candyman

    I meant WW84 would be the first big-budget film to release, not the first film to open at all. At $175 million, WW84 has a bigger budget than Antebellum, Bill & Ted 3, Candyman, A Quiet Place 2 and The King's Man combined.
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    I think a big part of Eon's decision-making throughout this process has been doing right by their talent when it comes to Oscar season. Considering the current pandemic and the very cluttered November, I think Eon will jump ship into 2021 very quickly.....I anticipate something mid January (Bad Boys 3) or mid February (Black Panther's date).

    I think 2021 is looking more and more like an inevitability and this Oscar news may cement Eon to move......I think the financial benefits in fact are more positive. They can avoid Pixar and Marvel.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    I think a big part of Eon's decision-making throughout this process has been doing right by their talent when it comes to Oscar season. Considering the current pandemic and the very cluttered November, I think Eon will jump ship into 2021 very quickly.....I anticipate something mid January (Bad Boys 3) or mid February (Black Panther's date).

    I think 2021 is looking more and more like an inevitability and this Oscar news may cement Eon to move......I think the financial benefits in fact are more positive. They can avoid Pixar and Marvel.

    Marvel already had The Eternals releasing on February 12, 2021.
  • edited June 2020 Posts: 1,394
    I dont see how they have the oscars at all next year.Unless they have a virtual version which they are doing with SDCC.They cant have all those celebs sitting together in an audience right?

    Also i still think NTTD will release in November.They cant sit on this film forever and if Tenet ( which has only delayed by two weeks ) and WW84 releases in October as now planned then i see them releasing Bond in Nov.

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Why can t people sit together?
  • Posts: 1,394
    Why can t people sit together?

    Have you been living in a cave the last few months? Social Distancing.
  • edited June 2020 Posts: 97
    @Pierce2Daniel Can you please stop your fearmongering? (Yes, when you post that big picture with "DELAYED" written over it below your rambling, it IS fearmongering.) NTTD will not get delayed for a FOURTH time.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    The_Return wrote: »
    @Pierce2Daniel Can you please stop your fearmongering? (Yes, when you post that big picture with "DELAYED" written over it below your rambling, it IS fearmongering.) NTTD will not get delayed for a FOURTH time.

    I wouldn't be so sure. These are unprecedented times.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Anything's possible.

    Rules of engagement are that where the 6'/2m social distance can't be ensured, a mask should be worn. Are movie theaters exempt from that remedy.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I’m pretty much prepared for NTTD to be delayed again, and I can’t get upset because this is a situation that is out of everyone’s hands, and it’s something a whole bunch of other films have to deal with. Not fear mongering here, because I don’t even fear another delay. And I’ve been looking forward to NTTD.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Warner Bros were in favor of a longer delay for Tenet.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/business/media/tenet-release-delayed.html
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    WB would be better off putting TENET on streaming. At least we can turn the subtitles on instead of leaning in to understand why the dialogue is muffled.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited June 2020 Posts: 15,686
    Beijing Cinemas Ordered To Remain Shut As New Covid-19 cases emerge.

    Chinese authorities on Friday put another nail in the coffin for China’s film sector, formally announcing that cinemas in Beijing must remain shut for the time being.


    Although this new Beijing directive only applies to the capital, it indicates that the official winds are not blowing in favor of re-opening cinemas at this time. This will likely make other regions wary of resuming business even if they are currently at low coronavirus risk.

    https://variety.com/2020/film/news/china-coronavirus-beijing-when-cinemas-reopening-1234633855/

    Beijing is battling 'explosive coronavirus outbreak' as food market cases mount.

    The chief epidemiologist with the Chinese Centre for Disease Control and Prevention told yesterday that the situation was very serious.

    https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/world/2020/06/672_291272.html

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    Beijing clustered infections are at high risk of spreading.

    The clustered infection that was closely linked with Xinfadi Market, which is densely populated and highly mobile, has a very high risk of spreading.

    As of press time, Beijing has reported 79 cases connected to Xinfadi Market. Beijing's latest outbreak has extended to three provinces.

    https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1191598.shtml

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    After 1 month since Japan's movie theaters have reopened, Japan's weekly box office is down to 5% ($790,000) of the usual gross from the same time period in 2019 ($14 million).

    Japan is one of the most successful countries in handling the Covid-19 pandemic (17,502 cases & 925 deaths).

    https://qz.com/1868938/japans-slow-box-office-recovery-may-be-a-harbinger-for-hollywood
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Why can t people sit together?

    Have you been living in a cave the last few months? Social Distancing.

    Living in a cave would be social distancing, wouldn t it?
  • edited June 2020 Posts: 4,400


    I think a big part of Eon's decision-making throughout this process has been doing right by their talent when it comes to Oscar season. Considering the current pandemic and the very cluttered November, I think Eon will jump ship into 2021 very quickly.....I anticipate something mid January (Bad Boys 3) or mid February (Black Panther's date).

    I think 2021 is looking more and more like an inevitability and this Oscar news may cement Eon to move......I think the financial benefits in fact are more positive. They can avoid Pixar and Marvel.

    Marvel already had The Eternals releasing on February 12, 2021.

    I have a feeling that the Marvel slate will remain in flux.

    They have Shang-Chi pencilled in for May 2021, but they had been filming for around two weeks on that film before the lockdown. The chances are that they won't start filming till at least August/September. There's no way with the heavy social distancing rules that they can mount such an epic production and then carry out the post-production required in such a short space of time.

    I think the chances are that Marvel will move Shang-Chi and be forced to reschedule Eternals to May 2021. Marvel films usually do very well with that 'start of summer' date.

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    The WW84 date really encapsulates the issues here for me...they moved from June to August in the hope things would be better. However, all they did was kick the can down the road a little. Essentially putting themselves in a position where they wouldn't need to think about delaying again for a few months. However, all we doing is witnessing a car crash in slow motion. Decisions are being made slowly but feel inevitable.

    @DaltonCraig007 - Plus, the Oxford vaccine is looking very positive and rollout is due in September/October. It makes sense to push Bond again to February 12 2021

    It's only around 2 months a delay from the Thanksgiving date, which in these pandemic times isn't a huge amount of time. Plus, Bond on Valentine's Day feels like a comfortable fit and a big sell

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    I have a feeling we're going to be seeing at least two or three more major reshuffles in the release calendar for major studio films in the next 6 months.

    If Tenet/Mulan etc come out and drastically underperform due to the massive restrictions placed on attendance, you can expect every big movie on the calendar for this year (except maybe the ones in December) to be pushed back to 2021.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Is there any reasoning behind the earlier release date now for NTTD? Seems odd since it's such a minor shift. I would've figured at this point it'd likely be pushed back to 2021.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    They probably deduced that the earlier date gave NTTD more time to drawn in crowds, likely because GODZILLA VS KONG got pushed to 2021.
  • edited June 2020 Posts: 4,400
    I have a feeling we're going to be seeing at least two or three more major reshuffles in the release calendar for major studio films in the next 6 months.

    If Tenet/Mulan etc come out and drastically underperform due to the massive restrictions placed on attendance, you can expect every big movie on the calendar for this year (except maybe the ones in December) to be pushed back to 2021.

    At this stage not only are Tenet/Mulan destined to fail, but 2020 is looking more like a 'write off.' Check out this graph from the FT that I saw @antovolk post which compares attendance in cinemas in 2019 to 2020 (including projected totals):



    As you can see, the attendance levels are anticipated to be much lower over the next few months.

    In the current climate, if a film is capable of making $300-400m it will be considered a 'success.' However, even the economics of blockbuster filmmaking such a number is painfully low. If Tenet posts such numbers, it be a flop in line with the Han Solo movie!

    The circumstances with the Solo film were different (lack of interest and poor marketing). But if anything things are much worse now as people won't return during a pandemic and cinemas can't operate near to full capacity till a vaccine. There is simply a glass ceiling that I think will prohibit any franchise film with a budget north of £100m from being considered an actual success.

    I think the litmus test will be Mulan and Tenet. Once they post weak opening weekends, then the exodus into 2021 begins. So I don't anticipate much news for the next 6 weeks or so.....but early August will be interesting!

    I still think Bond will move to February 2021...

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  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    I think the litmus test will be Mulan and Tenet. Once they post weak opening weekends, then the exodus into 2021 begins.

    It is also very possible that Tenet itself will be delayed to a post-summer 2020 date. I know Nolan is very keen on having his film be the savior of this summer, but once it becomes clear that box office revenue will be extremely limited, he and Warner Bros will have no choice but to delay the film. After all, this is a 200+ million dollar budget film, their confidence will take a hit once July 31st gets closer and the cinema/pandemic situation still seems serious.

    If a delay becomes inevitable for Tenet, I think it will be confirmed on the wee of July 13th/17th (2 weeks before opening). Current estimate say they cinemas will need 2 weeks to ramp up box office intake enough to warrant the release of a big budget film. So if the box office is still down by that week, Tenet will be delayed. A Mulan delay should come by late June, I think.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Look I think everyones been economically affected by the Corona virus and EON need to realize that not every film can be a billion dollar hitter. Release it when theaters are open, hope you break even, and move on.
  • edited June 2020 Posts: 440
    I think the litmus test will be Mulan and Tenet. Once they post weak opening weekends, then the exodus into 2021 begins.

    It is also very possible that Tenet itself will be delayed to a post-summer 2020 date. I know Nolan is very keen on having his film be the savior of this summer, but once it becomes clear that box office revenue will be extremely limited, he and Warner Bros will have no choice but to delay the film. After all, this is a 200+ million dollar budget film, their confidence will take a hit once July 31st gets closer and the cinema/pandemic situation still seems serious.

    If a delay becomes inevitable for Tenet, I think it will be confirmed on the wee of July 13th/17th (2 weeks before opening). Current estimate say they cinemas will need 2 weeks to ramp up box office intake enough to warrant the release of a big budget film. So if the box office is still down by that week, Tenet will be delayed. A Mulan delay should come by late June, I think.
    That's 100% the reason why WB is re-releasing Inception two weeks before Tenet is supposed to come out. They are going to test the waters and get a bit of free marketing into the bargain.

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Using Inception as a test makes no sense to me. It’s a film everyone has already seen for a decade and I can’t imagine it be something that draws in any audience besides die hard fans of it. The only true test is releasing a brand new film, and I don’t blame WB for being super hesitant with TENET.
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    Look I think everyones been economically affected by the Corona virus and EON need to realize that not every film can be a billion dollar hitter. Release it when theaters are open, hope you break even, and move on.

    Why would they want to sacrifice all that money?
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    Using Inception as a test makes no sense to me. It’s a film everyone has already seen for a decade and I can’t imagine it be something that draws in any audience besides die hard fans of it. The only true test is releasing a brand new film, and I don’t blame WB for being super hesitant with TENET.

    As @AViewToAKill stated, the screenings of “Inception” are probably designed to test the waters before TENET's release. Don’t forget, that the movie chains and their personnel will also need time to “come back up to speed” and practice any new safety protocols that may be in place. In fact, in some cases, chains like Regal and AMC may actually have to re-hire some of their old staff (or trained new employees) prior to opening. All of that takes time.

    Given the uncertainties, I could easily see a couple of “older” movies being re-released to theaters as a kind of “dry run” before the arrival of the heavy hitters.

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