NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Critical Reaction and Box Office Performance

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    If it’s actually worse by November I think most people’s concerns would not involve films in general because it would not just be EON’s problem but everyone else’s.

    That’s the way it is. Nothing anyone can really do about it.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited March 2020 Posts: 4,343
    If it’s actually worse by November I think most people’s concerns would not involve films in general because it would not just be EON’s problem but everyone else’s.

    That’s the way it is. Nothing anyone can really do about it.

    Exactly.

    Regarding NTTD we are lucky the film is finished and locked. When the time will come it will be released and that’s it.
  • Regarding NTTD we are lucky the film is finished and locked. When the time will come it will be released and that’s it.

    I know, we are very lucky. It's just depressed me that much. Reading about other cultural events being delayed / cancelled as well just makes me feel that even if you're not likely to contact the virus, you can't even just distract yourself for a few hours from it.
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    That's because the media is now clickbait. The more outrageous you can make a situation the more clicks and the higher the bonus for hack pundits.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    That's because the media is now clickbait. The more outrageous you can make a situation the more clicks and the higher the bonus for hack pundits.

    I think the virus has a larger sway over how things have been running. After all, it’s not the media’s fault that certain world leaders are coming off as totally inept at taking necessary actions.
  • edited March 2020 Posts: 727
    One reason why media are going crazy is because of the age group that this virus mortally effects also happen to be the age group that runs the world.

    If the Corona affected the young nobody would care.
  • That's because the media is now clickbait. The more outrageous you can make a situation the more clicks and the higher the bonus for hack pundits.

    Thanks, that's very true. Overall, I had been closely following the news about the virus, but I thought / hoped that Bond (of all things) wouldn't be affected by it - especially after waiting so long for it. That's why it's affected me personally.
  • Posts: 1,394
    Iv heard elsewhere that many hollywood studios may consider releasing many new movies direct to streaming services in special pay per view circumstances.It would be a way of making back at least some of the huge amounts of money the industry is going to lose.

    With tons of people staying home and presumably watching movies and tv shows,steaming services are going to be very busy.Releasing a brand new Bond movie and charging a premium to watch it, i believe many would gladly pay the price.Lots of people dont like going to the cinema anymore anyway or having to wait up to four months to watch a movie they really want to see at home.
  • edited April 2020 Posts: 4,400


    It looks as though bond has a new competitor in Top Gun 2 which is moving to December 2020. It's likely that Top Gun will suck up a lot of the IMAX screens will have to be re-distributed to Top Gun 2 once that comes out....

    Having said that, I don't see Top Gun 2 being to big Xmas film and follow the tradition of Star Wars and Aquaman to get to $1billion. I think Paramount are overestimating this film with that date, especially post Covid-19.

    Top Gun 2 was better placed in Bad Boys 3 slot and going for a January 2021 release. There's clearly an audience for nostalgic films with ageing action stars in that slot.....

    If Tenet moves to either November or December, that'll really cook Bond's thanksgiving turkey.......
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited April 2020 Posts: 15,690
    @Pierce2Daniel It is a safe bet that Tenet will be delayed by 1 year to Summer 2021. It needs IMAX screens, and a certain fighter-jet sequel with Tom Cruise (filmed with IMAX cameras) has taken a prime December spot. Wonder Woman 1984 will get pushed back again to December 2020, Godzilla vs Kong to early 2021, and Dune to 2021 too.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    A Quiet Place Part II has moved to September 4, 2020.
  • edited April 2020 Posts: 4,400


    It looks as though Bond may need to shift that UK release date.....Black Widow is due to debut in cinemas 5 days prior. Both films are bound to cannibalise each other and currently Marvel are riding a wave that not even Bond to overcome.

    I suspect that NTTD may shift its UK release back to the 25 November 2020 globally and go day and date.

    The new Black Widow film tonally looks similar to the Bond films. In fact, it looks as though the filmmakers of the Marvel film have deliberately aped the style of Mission Impossible - Fallout (which felt like a rip-off an a Craig-era film anyway).

    It'll be curious to see how Bond v Widow plays out, but ideally I want both films to succeed especially in this troubled theatrical market.

    Also, Scarlett Johansson is true movie star in the truest use of the term.

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    Scarlett Johansson is overrated.She either couldnt be bothered ( or most likely was incapable of ) doing a russian accent.And the Marvel universe has lost its appeal with no more Captain America and Iron Man.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Scarlett Johansson is overrated.She either couldnt be bothered ( or most likely was incapable of ) doing a russian accent.And the Marvel universe has lost its appeal with no more Captain America and Iron Man.

    Thank you someone agrees with me on Scarjo. Plus, she’s a Woody Allen defender, can’t trust them. Black Widow is also always a boring character. Everyone out acts her. The MCU bubble will burst soon, and speaking as a fan!
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    It's just one Marvel film ("Black Widow") taking the spot of another ("The Eternals"). Bond would have to deal with Marvel this way or another anyway. No big change of the situation.
  • edited April 2020 Posts: 4,400
    I think a Marvel movie starring one of there most popular characters is something to be feared for certain......

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    The simple thing to do would be to move the international date to 19 November 2020

    Also had everything gone according to plan, we would have got NTTD's first final weekend numbers internationally today. Which I'm sure it would have dominated, though the warm weather in the UK would have put a dent in those numbers.

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    I think a Marvel movie starring one of there most popular characters is something to be feared for certain......

    Only in the US and maybe Asia.
    There are at least 3 weeks between Marvel and Bond in those markets.
    In Europe Marvel will be no problem for Bond.
  • edited April 2020 Posts: 4,400
    The solo Marvel films (outside the main Avengers films) make serious buck in Europe. Just look at these numbers:
    • Spider-Man: Far from Home made $741,395,911 internationally.
    • Captain Marvel made $701,444,955 internationally.
    • Black Panther made $646,853,595 internationally

    I wouldn't underestimate Marvel. Bond should really think whether it wants to keep that date. Especially as delaying by one or two weeks in Europe buys them time. There is nothing on the calendar at the moment getting in their way. So they should just push it by a week in Europe.

    The only film that they would potentially step on the toes of is Kong v Godzilla. But who wants to even see this film. Nonetheless, November and December are looking very busy.

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  • Posts: 625
    The solo Marvel films (outside the main Avengers films) make serious buck in Europe. Just look at these numbers:
    • Spider-Man: Far from Home made $741,395,911 internationally.
    • Captain Marvel made $701,444,955 internationally.
    • Black Panther made $646,853,595 internationally

    Over $400 million from Spider-Man came from Asia.
    As I said: Marvel is on top in the US and Asia.
    But in Europe it will do no harm to Bond.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited April 2020 Posts: 8,087
    I tried to warn against members getting their hopes up regarding the boxoffice of Bond 25 years ago. The movie is not going to perform well, and will most likely earn at least 100 million less than SPECTRE did. Contrary to popular believe, Audiences don't care that this is Craigs last film - they go for Bond not for Craig. What we have seen is that the tenure peaked back with SF and has been losing steam since. This is actually how all Bonds go after the third entry. It became obvious to me that after taking a 5 year break that they wouldn't be able to keep momentum, and some were ready for change back in 2015. If I was to guess, I'd say we are in for another lacklustre sendoff in the mold of AVTAK and DAF and LTK, at least financially speaking.

  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I tried to warn against members getting their hopes up regarding the boxoffice of Bond 25 years ago. The movie is not going to perform well, and will most likely earn at least 100 million less than SPECTRE did. Contrary to popular believe, Audiences don't care that this is Craigs last film - they go for Bond not for Craig. What we have seen is that the tenure peaked back with SF and has been losing steam since. This is actually how all Bonds go after the third entry. It became obvious to me that after taking a 5 year break that they wouldn't be able to keep momentum, and some were ready for change back in 2015. If I was to guess, I'd say we are in for another lacklustre sendoff in the mold of AVTAK and DAF and LTK.

    I wish I were surprised at this.
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    Posts: 4,343
    I tried to warn against members getting their hopes up regarding the boxoffice of Bond 25 years ago. The movie is not going to perform well, and will most likely earn at least 100 million less than SPECTRE did. Contrary to popular believe, Audiences don't care that this is Craigs last film - they go for Bond not for Craig. What we have seen is that the tenure peaked back with SF and has been losing steam since. This is actually how all Bonds go after the third entry. It became obvious to me that after taking a 5 year break that they wouldn't be able to keep momentum, and some were ready for change back in 2015. If I was to guess, I'd say we are in for another lacklustre sendoff in the mold of AVTAK and DAF and LTK.

    Every big movie will underperform after the COVID tsunami. A terrible crisis lies ahead and of course it is still unknown how "normal" life will be as long as there's no vaccine/cure. So NTTD will 100% underperform, but obviously not for the reasons you're bringing to the table. Besides, I'm pretty confident that NTTD would've hit the 1 billion mark this spring, without the COVID fallout.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    It's terrible that some Craig detractors will use cinema attendances being down in November as proof that people don't like him as Bond or haven't enjoyed his era, as opposed to it being the result of any lingering fear from the Covid-19 pandemic and the deaths of thousands of people.

    And I say that as someone who only really enjoys two out of the last four films.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited April 2020 Posts: 8,087
    We'll see, but the numbers don't lie. If people are really pumped for "Craigs last outing" as 007, then they'll be there to send him off. I think that in November we'll discover that Skyfall was the hard peak for this era, and Bond 25 probably won't even manage to match SP numbers. I saw the writing on the wall a long time ago, people really were happy for SP to be the end of the era, and EON made the wrong decision to carry on another 5 years with it. I watch the youtube reviews of many casual fans at the time, and there was definitely a sense that they had their fill with this take on the character. The fact is many are tired of the same Bond since 2006, even if it was once great, its become stale. Just looking at the trailers, all the same tropes are there, I think people are getting sick of it. Ofcourse if the movie does over a billion, as many have predicted, I'll happily admit I've been wrong this whole time.




  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I'm not predicting a billion anymore, that's for sure. I don't think there will be too many billion dollar films between now and next Summer.

    $800-850million is what my gut is telling me. But as long as the film does well, under the current social and economic circumstances, that'll be a big win.
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    I think a Marvel movie starring one of there most popular characters is something to be feared for certain......

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    The simple thing to do would be to move the international date to 19 November 2020

    Also had everything gone according to plan, we would have got NTTD's first final weekend numbers internationally today. Which I'm sure it would have dominated, though the warm weather in the UK would have put a dent in those numbers.

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    oooooh I do love that banner! :-O @-) :-bd
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    It will underperform significantly. In November many people will still be skittish about going to theaters, and the stench of SPECTRE won't help.

    I can't believe the folks here are still arguing about this. Just be glad if it's a good movie.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Escalus5 wrote: »
    I can't believe the folks here are still arguing about this.

    To be fair, that's the point of the thread.

  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Well yes, No Time To Die box office will be affected by real world events. As far as potentially under-performing it will be judged against the takes of the other big budget releases as they play out, I expect.

    Stench, huh.

    The only film that they would potentially step on the toes of is Kong v Godzilla. But who wants to even see this film. Nonetheless, November and December are looking very busy.

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