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I don't understand it either. Perhaps 'they' focus too much on the results of the day, and are suffering a bit from 'comparison sickness', whereas I try to look at the long-term longevity of "SPECTRE" and how it competes with current films like "The Peanuts Movie" and "Hunger Games 4" :-). It makes me rather happy that "Hunger Games 4" falters completely in the USA and China :-P. Only good news for "SPECTRE" and its holdover right until December 18th. "SPECTRE" will now most certainly stay in the TOP 5 of US box office grosses right until December 18th, which looks a bit similar to the box office run of "The Martian".
Isn't that due to QOS being released one week later than SP, so its day 15 was the Friday after Thanksgiving, which is a big day for moviegoing...? Whereas SP's day 15 is just a generic third weekend. At this point, many who haven't seen it will save it for Wed-Sun with friends and family.
I see only Creed as direct competition for the Bond audience (Including me - I can't wait!). Secret in their eyes just tanked, Spotlight is strictly a niche deal (gather the family and come spend the holidays learning about Catholic priest child molestation scandal?).
That Friday was the day after thanksgiving, so it´s not a fair comparison. Next week is going to be much better than Quantum´s.
There is no reason to be depressed at all, but some people were expecting over 1 billion, so they may be a bit disappointed.
Thank you @Gustav_Graves for all of your SP postings and your research efforts to get at statistical info.
As for the negative stuff posted, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but just maybe @bondjames, you might want to give it a pause. Anytime anyone on any SP thread posts something the least bit positive or optimistic about SP, we can always, always count on you to immediately post something to undercut the post and slam SP.
It is obvious that mixed US reviews and the ER OS are impacting SP's BO, but holiday schedules and competition vary from year to year making comparisons very factually tricky. SP is about to go into the black, and it should hopefully get to near $900m with an outside chance that it could hit the magic $1 billion mark. The fact that THG is under performing can't hurt either. SP getting to $1b would be a major achievement given it had to overcome the unfavorable ER, mixed reviews and tons of whiny press articles that exploited the lousy Sony leaks.
SP may hold on quite well for a while yet in the US, as next week i believe is the Thanksgiving holiday, and that should keep SP's grosses up.
Comparing SP to QOS run is not logical, as QOS was released closer to Thanksgiving, hence the film was a lot more front loaded than SP...........and as someone pointed out you can't compare QOS's grosses to SP's on a week by week basis.
Exactly. You can't just compare 'days' like that. It's useless, and in all honesty you should 'read' this day-to-day comparisons with a bigger overseeing eye, not to scrutinize every day into detail.
So far to me "SPECTRE" is doing very well and seems en route to beat "Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation", "The Martian" and "The Bourne Ultimatum easily.
Still, its a noticeable improvement over SF, and with each subsequent Bond film being shown in China, its gets the public to understand the history of the franchise.
Yes, but I hope you have calculated recent drops of other blockbuster films in China. "Rogue Nation" had an even bigger drop than "SPECTRE". And please, let's wait until tomorrow/Monday for the final estimates.
I too hope it does much better...........i was just quoting from what Chinese BO followers
have been stating, as they too have been comparing the run of SP against other similar films.
-$8m (100% increase from this Friday) will put it in line with QoS but in its 4th weekend vs that film's 3rd
-$14m will put it in line with SF but again in that film's 3rd weekend
I'm not suggesting that these are direct competition for SP. That's a given. These films won't make anything close to what SP will make. However, on the margin, they will take away some adult viewers who might have otherwise seen SP if they were not in the theatres, and every $ counts. I may have seen SP again one more time next weekend, but I'm going to see Secret in their Eyes instead (I've seen SP 3 times and caught the third viewing before it left IMAX).
@smitty what nonsense are you talking about. I was accused a few weeks ago of being too optimistic in my first weekend expectations for SP. SP is currently a top 10 film of mine (ranked at 10). My current expectation is for around $950m total gross, $200m US gross and $100m China gross. I don't expect SP to top SF in the UK market, but it should come in second. How exactly is that negative? Sorry to hurt your sensitivities, but I call it like I see it, which is my right. If you have a problem with that, go take a rest, calm down and get a grip. You're talking nonsense. I don't mind criticism but make sense.
Regarding comparing weekends, it is relevant to see the holdover. I just did not incorporate the Thanksgiving weekend since those films were released later in relation to that weekend and I missed that. Next weekend will be a test, but its drop off this weekend so far is due to it being removed from the higher priced theatres and from many IMAX theatres. That is also a fact.
@mepal1, do you have any idea where SP is in relation to SF in UK gross for the similar number of weeks on the market (and I realize that SP had the full Monday to Friday run........what if we give it that head start)? I'm curious to see how it's tracking now, because it was looking to be very close when you last did an update a week ago. Also, do you know what the ticket price inflation is in the UK (SF vs SP)?
Don't hold it all in and then explode like some passive aggressive cry baby. It's bad for your health.
Others are always welcome to put forth their own views, and many do. I just haven't seen much of it from you. Again, sorry to offend.....that was never my intention.
Anyway, it looks like from the last figures i saw that SP will be trailing SF after this weekend.
After weekend 4 :- SF was at $131,5 mil ......... with a weekend take of $8.8 mil
SP was somewhere around $122 mil as of end Thursday, and had a $1.5 mil Friday...........so i imagine SP's 4th weekend will be around $5-6 mil........therefore SP could be around $128 mil come end of Sunday.
SP won't take the crown from SF now in the UK............but it stands a chance of beating 'Avatar', to get into 2nd place, but it will take, if possible to around Xmas/NY time to get to that point.
Anyway, as of this week.........'Rentrak' the BO tracking service, announced that SP had officially become the 3rd highest grossing film at the UK box office (non-adjusted), when it sailed past that little boat, called the 'Titanic'.
That's still pretty good, if it can be achieved. Any other film hoping to take the top place in the UK will need to assail not one but two Bond films.
Technically it may in fact surpass Avatar in ticket sales, because I assume that a lot of the UK gross for that film was in 3D (one thing I hope Bond never succumbs to).
As you said, the strong US$ is not helping things. We discussed that earlier in the year, and it seems to be having an effect.
Good marketing and hopefully good recruiting incentive too for the next writer and director.
The strong dollar has had quite an impact on foreign box office.........just look at Russia as an example, but it is robbing the film of quite a few million in other territories as well.
The UK isn't really that affected though, as the exchange rate now seems pretty much the same as it was in 2012, though again it was still more favourable in 2012.
Anyway.........the exchange rates are killing all the Hollywood films at the present....MJ2 is going to lose a lot of potential earnings overseas.
Yes......that's a good point Avatar's takings would of been nearly all 3D viewings, which was the point of seeing the film anyway..............therefore the film would of taken a higher gross per admission.
Lay off North America ...give us a better film and we'll see it.
I liked SP but it failed as a thriller/action film, failed as a love story and thanks to mishandling Blofeld failed as a Bond film in my mind.
Yes I did like it but this is the first Bond film since DAD that I've been very disappointed with.
Sorry I'm mad at all the negative against the US and mad at EON. We supported Bond all these years and yes I hate the catering to the NA market but all this is leaving me very disgusted.
I think "SPECTRE" was a near-perfect Bond film. But what worries me is especially the fact that American critics are blasting the very Bond legacy. They hailed "Skyfall" because it moved away from typical Bond tropes. And with "SPECTRE" they completely u-turned because it had too many typical Bond elements.
IMO I find that a bit ridiculous. And dangerous too. If we can't enjoy a Bond film for the very fact that it is a Bond film, then perhaps those same US critics indirectly say that the 53-year old Bond franchise is obsolete, extinct. Because that's how I read those criticis behind the lines.
That's why I have become so....disgusted at many of those critics. And let me tell you this. It's not because you are those critics are American. But I do find it unfair. I'm sad that you were disappointed in the film. But I can't help that. I honestly believe that the SonyLeaks still hurt the film, especially in the USA. I have never seen such a discrepancy between US reviews on RottenTomatoes and non-US reviews. Negative publicity has really hurt the film in the US. I don't blaim you or other Americans for that. I blaim hackers for that.
Trust me, if the SonyLeaks didn't happen, "SPECTRE" would now have had a rating of between 75% and 85% on RottenTomatoes. A full 10% lower than its predecessor. But 63%? Sorry....
As an example, we just got a good laugh (and applause) in SF due to the DB5 trope and the ejector seat reference. We didn't need it again imho. We only recently had an intimate and revealing train conversation (CR). Maybe it was too soon for it again in SP?
That's what I've said elsewhere. I didn't think they handled all the tropes (including the lair) as well as they could have done. If they had spent more time developing the film in the lair, then the escape and explosion might not have felt so 'forced'. For me at least (again my opinion for those reading), it did feel forced in this case.
This is not a US hating thing at all. They have valid points in this case I think. The script was not well developed for many and that is the major beef.
I agree that the rating is too low and have said that for some time. I think it should be closer to the audience rating (around 70% to 75%) personally.
Yeah, SPECTRE deserved 75% minimum.
I agree with the last 5 sentences you wrote. "SPECTRE" deserved a higher rating on RT.
But for the rest of your remark I already posted this:
http://www.mi6community.com/index.php?p=/discussion/13775/has-mission-impossible-surpassed-bond/p8
Yes, I do want a return to a 'dark, stripped down thriller'. That really is my preference. I think it suits Daniel Craig the actor more (as proven to me in CR/QoS/SF and even TGWTDT- not necessarily Bourne) and I would like him to do one more like that before he leaves the role. That is where/when I find him as an actor to be most effective.
I didn't realize that this forum and thread was only for those who want to espouse the positives of SP. I like elements of it (enough to have it at #10 out of 24....just) but I also think there could be lots of creative improvements made. I think a lot of members and viewers feel this way, and of course, others like yourself may think it's great, which is your right.
The one thing you'll never see me do here is shit on your opinion or call it 'bullshit' or say that you are being too negative or positive. You are entitled to your opinion. I am entitled to mine. Every other member is entitled to theirs. There's no need for name calling or abuse.
As I said earlier, all it is at the end of the day, is someone's opinion and a discussion of various opinions, hopefully in a civil, and not abusive fashion, due to disagreements in this area.
The thing is...you use your negativity 'at will' really. In the case of "SPECTRE" you basically say that Craig's grittier personae suited him better in "SKYFALL". But when we solely talk about "SKYFALL" you use other comments/criticism to enhance the flaws of that film. Perhaps you would even say something like this "What worked so well in SP was the humour, and the Bond producers should have applied that aspect a bit earlier on. Perhaps already in "SKYFALL" "
And that's exactly the thing that annoys me a bit sometimes. Obviously you have your own opinion. And we live in a free world @BondJames. And if there's one thing for which I admire you, than it's your neat vocabulary you use in hear. Hell, even I can learn from that. But it times, I think your criticism may sound objective, but instead it falters in having too much subjective content, that at times you use at will.
If you are really such an...objective person, then you make a list of pro's and con's for every film we're discussing about in here...
Did I say I was objective? I really don't know what you're talking about. I nearly always say it's my opinion. What do you think we're doing on here if not expressing an opinion. For pete's sake, I really haven't got a clue what you're crying over.
You are making this very personal for some reason. If you want to do that, I can be just as nasty, but I'd prefer not to be.
If you have a view on a film, just say your point and if people agree with you, they will, and if they don't, they won't. What's the big deal anyway. I don't get it.
My comments and discussion are nuanced because that's how I think. Nothing is absolute for me. Everything has context. I am open to changing my opinion and have done on several occasions due to the good discussion with members here.
Regarding my criticisms of SF. What exactly are you talking about? Be specific because I haven't got a clue?
And what are you saying about my language? Do you want me to change the way I communicate? Be more confrontational & abusive even, the way you appear to be towards me? It's not my style.