Terminator: Dark Fate (2019)

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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns The Phantom Planet
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    My Terminator Ranking...

    The Terminator
    T2
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    T3
    Salvation
    Genysis

    The first two films are superb, T2's new restoration elevated the film even further.
    The films arguably have dropped in quality with each subsequent film.
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
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    What does everyone think is the worst Terminator? For me it’s T3 by a long shot. Just an over the top Studio driven Mess with a star who has too much control.

    Genisys. It's a muddled mess that tried to go for shock value and fan service rather than plot and character. It could have been a great idea, changing up the timeline, but it was handled so poorly that T3 looks like a masterpiece when the two are compared.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    What does everyone think is the worst Terminator? For me it’s T3 by a long shot. Just an over the top Studio driven Mess with a star who has too much control.

    Genisys, for the simple fact that it doesn't feel like a Terminator film. It gets so much wrong and feels so tacky and cheap that I just can't even count it as being part of the series.

    T3 has sort of grown on me since the release of the other films. It's still pretty mediocre but it has some decent chase sequences and the ending is pretty ballsy, even if it completely pisses all over the previous two films' idea of fate being in your hands.

    Salvation is better than both.

    This. Also Genisys' plot is too messy and convoluted.

    My ranking would be
    T2
    T1
    Salvation
    T3
    Genesys
  • edited April 7 Posts: 4,772
    mattjoes wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Incidentally, T2 is on TV right now. In a scene in a car, after arguing with his mother, John has tearful eyes, and the terminator asks him what is wrong with his eyes. In the next scene he mentions he has detailed knowledge of human anatomy. Doesn't quite fit. He should've known John was crying. In fact, later still, the terminator asks John why people cry.

    The car scene is obviously meant to serve as the setup for that theme in the story, but perhaps they could've cut the terminator's question and shown him paying attention to John's eyes without saying anything. The latter scene in which he asks John why people cry would've still worked well.

    He knows anatomy, not emotion. He knows that John's eyes are watering, knows how John's eyes are watering, but not why.

    So, he doesn't know that that is called crying? Because the way he asks the question, it sounds like he had no idea people leak water through their eyes, and if he doesn't know that, how is he even going to know how it happens (as you say)? That is my point. As I said, I'm fine with him not understanding the complex emotional reasons that lead to people crying, but not with him not knowing what crying is, because it is said he has this detailed anatomical information (and in fact also knows things about clothes, motorcycles, guns...). And furthermore, on first sight this crying business appears to be inconsistently handled, since later on he asks John why people cry, which means he does know what crying is, and thus his earlier question sounds dumb. Why not ask "why are you crying?" instead of "what is wrong with your eyes?" (*)

    (John could've told him what crying is after the car scene, but it's not shown in the film.)

    (*) And asking it like this might've made the later discussion on crying repetitive, which is why I suggest the line could've been cut altogether.
    One could argue that the assumption that the Terminator has detailed anatomical Knowledge is based on machines which did extensive Research on how to switch off the vital functions in a human Body, and that the emotional behaviour of humans is of lesser interest to them and Maybe not at all regarded as anatomical Knowledge. This would of Course raise the Question if emotions and Moral behaviour isn´t the main Point why the machines regard humans as their enemies, which should press them to Gather Knowledge About human emotions.




    T1
    T2
    T4 I like it as some Kind of indie sci fi film, and I appreciate that it has very Little Arnold in it.

    T3 I remember not liking it very much, but the Music was Pretty good nonetheless.

    T5 I don´t remember much of it. It didn´t particularly bother me when I watched it, but I forgot Pretty much most of it soon afterwards.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
    edited April 7 Posts: 15,910
    What does everyone think is the worst Terminator? For me it’s T3 by a long shot. Just an over the top Studio driven Mess with a star who has too much control.

    T3 just floored me with how terrible it was. Salvation is still the most interesting to me. Genysis was in the middle- nice concepts & good budget but poor casting in Reese being my main beef...
  • Posts: 106
    Does anyone know when we may potentially get a trailer?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    With a November 1st release date, I wouldn't expect a teaser trailer before mid-summer.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Goonbase Alpha
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    The THC-800
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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited May 12 Posts: 31,769
    Director Tim Miller shared this image from the editing bay and noted the finishing touches are being put on the first teaser trailer:

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    I'm ready to be teased.
  • Posts: 10,812
    Yep, me too!!!
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