Kingsman: The Great Game (2019)

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I too felt a little uncomfortable with the Glastonbury sequence @ClarkeDevlin
    Although to many teenage boys, It's probably their favourite part ;-)
    Infact Taron Egerton refused to film that part, It's the hand of the actresses
    husband seen on film.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Infact Taron Egerton refused to film that part, It's the hand of the actresses husband seen on film.
    Did that really happen or you're coming off as jocular? ;)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    No, he wouldn't do it.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I didn't know that.

    Ridiculous moment if you really ask me. It was like watching an overbudgeted porn.
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    It was a weird moment and i didnt see the need for it but i wont let it ruin the fun.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I fast forward the bits I don't like. Makes it easier for me, to be honest. ;)
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    I fast forward the bits I don't like. Makes it easier for me, to be honest. ;)

    which bits ?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    I fast forward the bits I don't like. Makes it easier for me, to be honest. ;)
    which bits ?
    The entire Glastonbury sequence (not only the said scene). Don't like watching rock music festivals.
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    I fast forward the bits I don't like. Makes it easier for me, to be honest. ;)
    which bits ?
    The entire Glastonbury sequence (not only the said scene). Don't like watching rock music festivals.

    So its a personal comment....i dont like festivals but i can tolerate watching them .
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I fast forward the bits I don't like. Makes it easier for me, to be honest. ;)
    which bits ?
    The entire Glastonbury sequence (not only the said scene). Don't like watching rock music festivals.
    So its a personal comment....i dont like festivals but i can tolerate watching them .
    Yes, of course.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    The only part of the film that I didn't like was when the robotic dogs rip Angel in half. Don't know why.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    It’s such a stupid dumb silly movie. I hate those types of films, I hate the XXX films and the fast and the furious and all that. But for some reason I just Love the kingsman films, they just work for me.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    It’s such a stupid dumb silly movie. I hate those types of films, I hate the XXX films and the fast and the furious and all that. But for some reason I just Love the kingsman films, they just work for me.

    Because neither of those series have class. It's just Vin Diesel being Vin Diesel with some Limp Bizkit and purple rice burners
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    It’s such a stupid dumb silly movie. I hate those types of films, I hate the XXX films and the fast and the furious and all that. But for some reason I just Love the kingsman films, they just work for me.

    Because neither of those series have class. It's just Vin Diesel being Vin Diesel with some Limp Bizkit and purple rice burners

    This implies Kingsman has class, which then brings us back to the glastonbury scene which contradicts this in a major way. And the burger making, class? In my eyes there's no class to be found in these films. Some lovely words here and there, some nice suits, but it isn't clothes that maketh man....

    And for everything else there should be some risk involved, which isn't there as they can bring you back though you've been shot through the head. I have no doubt they'll bring back the girl too for the next film as she just ate a chewing-gum that connects all her bodyparts, so after the explosion they could put all the bits together again.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I don't think it's so much the 'class' factor as it is the fun factor.

    These are essentially Bond parodies with a bit of Tarantino and some risque activity thrown in from time to time. Not quite Austin Powers territory but nevertheless a different spin on the Bond English spy genre. Having a bit of a laugh and lampooning the Bond double entendres and what not.

    I contend there wouldn't be such a market for these films if we had a more 'hip' or contemporary Bond approach. Ultimately there is a void at present. The market which Bond had all to himself for quite some time has been bifurcated, with the likes of MI films on one end of the spectrum and something like Kingsman on the other end. There's also lots of other stuff in the middle (Atomic Blonde etc.).
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I don't think it's so much the 'class' factor as it is the fun factor.

    These are essentially Bond parodies with a bit of Tarantino and some risque activity thrown in from time to time. Not quite Austin Powers territory but nevertheless a different spin on the Bond English spy genre. Having a bit of a laugh and lampooning the Bond double entendres and what not.

    I contend there wouldn't be such a market for these films if we had a more 'hip' or contemporary Bond approach. Ultimately there is a void at present. The market which Bond had all to himself for quite some time has been bifurcated, with the likes of MI films on one end of the spectrum and something like Kingsman on the other end. There's also lots of other stuff in the middle (Atomic Blonde etc.).

    Well that I can follow to a certain extend. I always love it if films at least make a bit of sense 'in their own universe' as @doubleonothing once put it, ages ago on the old forums. I don't see any 'fun'in these films because they make no sense to me. The action has turned into ballet, the threat of death, still the ultimate thread, has been eliminated and now people talk about 'class' in a film that's at the same time filled with gore and juvenile porn. But perhaps it's just not my sense of humour, which is fair enough. I just wished these films had had a bit more class, excitement and intelligence. Or perhaps I'm just getting old ;-)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I don't think it's so much the 'class' factor as it is the fun factor.

    These are essentially Bond parodies with a bit of Tarantino and some risque activity thrown in from time to time. Not quite Austin Powers territory but nevertheless a different spin on the Bond English spy genre. Having a bit of a laugh and lampooning the Bond double entendres and what not.

    I contend there wouldn't be such a market for these films if we had a more 'hip' or contemporary Bond approach. Ultimately there is a void at present. The market which Bond had all to himself for quite some time has been bifurcated, with the likes of MI films on one end of the spectrum and something like Kingsman on the other end. There's also lots of other stuff in the middle (Atomic Blonde etc.).

    Well that I can follow to a certain extend. I always love it if films at least make a bit of sense 'in their own universe' as @doubleonothing once put it, ages ago on the old forums. I don't see any 'fun'in these films because they make no sense to me. The action has turned into ballet, the threat of death, still the ultimate thread, has been eliminated and now people talk about 'class' in a film that's at the same time filled with gore and juvenile porn. But perhaps it's just not my sense of humour, which is fair enough. I just wished these films had had a bit more class, excitement and intelligence. Or perhaps I'm just getting old ;-)
    @CommanderRoss, I think the issue with Kingsman is expectations. I was shocked and disturbed by the church scene in the first one. The back door offer at the end was amusing, but again unexpected. I realized afterwards that they were mocking the old Bond 'sex after saving the world' routine. "Attempting re-entry" and what not.

    I didn't mind Glastonbury in the 2nd one because I knew what to expect by then.

    These films take subtle (and also not so subtle) digs at Bond while charting a new path for the genre that seems to appeal to a large enough component of the audience. They are certainly a little crass, but then again Eggsy comes from humble council beginnings and that's showcased from time to time. Vaughn is being deliberately provocative and pushing boundaries.
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 19,339
    They are just 2 very enjoyable films....its as simple as that .
    They entertain,for me they succeed in their intentions.
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    Are there any news in a third movie?

    If there is...I hope they stop at that. I hope they make a third movie which will sorta connect all 3 movies together so we can have one epic big finale so the trilogy can end at that
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    dragonsky wrote: »
    Are there any news in a third movie?

    If there is...I hope they stop at that. I hope they make a third movie which will sorta connect all 3 movies together so we can have one epic big finale so the trilogy can end at that

    Vaughn has already been working on the third one, says he has ideas in mind and he knows where he wants it to go. I don't believe anything official is happening, though I suppose a script treatment could be in progress. I'll be there day one for sure.

    Pretty sure he's said in the past he'd love to have a universe come out of it, but at the same time he wants a trilogy to at least happen? Either way we're getting more, it seems.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    They are just 2 very enjoyable films....its as simple as that .
    They entertain,for me they succeed in their intentions.

    +1
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Agreed. Great fun, over the top movies.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    A third film with Dwayne Johnson in mind as a villain is in the process. If it’s announced, then I believe they’re beyond the treatment stage.

    Vaughn also revealed that a Statesman movie is also being thought of.
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 19,339
    A third film with Dwayne Johnson in mind as a villain is in the process. If it’s announced, then I believe they’re beyond the treatment stage.

    Vaughn also revealed that a Statesman movie is also being thought of.

    Statesman doesn't appeal to me at all if i'm honest.
    I'm not the biggest fan of Tatum or Berry.

    But a 3rd Kingsman film : yes please !
    Although I will miss Merlin.

  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I don't think it's so much the 'class' factor as it is the fun factor.

    These are essentially Bond parodies with a bit of Tarantino and some risque activity thrown in from time to time. Not quite Austin Powers territory but nevertheless a different spin on the Bond English spy genre. Having a bit of a laugh and lampooning the Bond double entendres and what not.

    I contend there wouldn't be such a market for these films if we had a more 'hip' or contemporary Bond approach. Ultimately there is a void at present. The market which Bond had all to himself for quite some time has been bifurcated, with the likes of MI films on one end of the spectrum and something like Kingsman on the other end. There's also lots of other stuff in the middle (Atomic Blonde etc.).

    Well that I can follow to a certain extend. I always love it if films at least make a bit of sense 'in their own universe' as @doubleonothing once put it, ages ago on the old forums. I don't see any 'fun'in these films because they make no sense to me. The action has turned into ballet, the threat of death, still the ultimate thread, has been eliminated and now people talk about 'class' in a film that's at the same time filled with gore and juvenile porn. But perhaps it's just not my sense of humour, which is fair enough. I just wished these films had had a bit more class, excitement and intelligence. Or perhaps I'm just getting old ;-)
    @CommanderRoss, I think the issue with Kingsman is expectations. I was shocked and disturbed by the church scene in the first one. The back door offer at the end was amusing, but again unexpected. I realized afterwards that they were mocking the old Bond 'sex after saving the world' routine. "Attempting re-entry" and what not.

    I didn't mind Glastonbury in the 2nd one because I knew what to expect by then.

    These films take subtle (and also not so subtle) digs at Bond while charting a new path for the genre that seems to appeal to a large enough component of the audience. They are certainly a little crass, but then again Eggsy comes from humble council beginnings and that's showcased from time to time. Vaughn is being deliberately provocative and pushing boundaries.

    Maybe that's why so many people like these films, and not i.e. TMFU, which I find a far more intelligent film allthough it could've done with less explanation scenes. The shock effect was greater for surevin both Kingsman films, but after that there's little except the gore, which I don't find entertaining at all. I also don't understand the heralding of eggsy, but perhaps that's a cultural thing. Over here society is far more egalitarian.
  • I think it's a combination of the shock value with the violence and swearing (pretty unique for this sort of spy movie), plus the direct references to Bond and others (sort of hard to think of it as a ripoff if it proudly points out those influences) that made it more successful than UNCLE. I think UNCLE just didn't do enough to set itself apart in a year full of spy films.

    The only thing it had that was unique was the period piece aspect but the thing about that is, we have a bunch of brilliant 60s spy films that hold up really well. So why would I watch Henry Cavill and Arnie Hammer in a mock up at the cinema when I could watch Sean Connery in the real thing in quality so clear/crisp it looks like it was filmed today (they really did a great with the blu rays imo) at home? When I did finally watch UNCLE I thought it was alright but still not anything special really. I definitely don't feel like I missed out by not seeing it at the cinema. I've got a lot of time for Guy Ritchie as well so I was a bit disappointed.

    In fact I don't think it was Guy Ritchie enough in a lot of ways. I would have loved Jason Statham in a dirty cockney Bond rip off with the slow mo fight scene gimmick from Sherlock Holmes. That I would have gone to the cinema for.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    hmm, fair enough. I can understand the arguments, they just don't work for me. But then again, they don't have to ;-)
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Things that put me off when I watch a Kingsman is its overtly silly take on what would appear to be the idea of a Roger Moore era Bond film, exaggerated violence in the vein of Kick-Ass (and I can't say I'm a fan of those films in the slightest, nor the comics), explicit sexual exploitation, overstylized Robert Rodriguez style cinematography and on and on - similar tricks that was used in Die Another Day that I don't like at all, one second of double speed playback, three seconds of slow motion et al. The second one especially had some sort of a set design you'd see in a Dr. Seuss feature length film, and those robot dogs really didn't do it justice, either.

    UNCLE on the other hand - despite being light in its own right - was clever, brilliant and charismatic. It wasn't unique, but then again it wasn't trying to be. I didn't think they were trying to make a mock-up image of the Sean Connery Bond films, but rather what would be a believable gadget-laden spy flick set in the early 1960s. Lord knows how many times I watched this one, whereas the second Kingsman film, only twice. Once when it came out at the theatres, and once another when it was made digitally available.

    Then again, it's all a matter of preference and taste, really. I'm glad they never went on to replicate the style of the third UNCLE season for the film adaptation as that's one season I regard as an abysmal entry in any television series. I also wouldn't believe Cavill's claim that he didn't see the series, because the way he played Solo was very similar to that of Robert Vaughn's portrayal. Now, if Hammer would've said that, I'd have believed him because his Illya was nothing remotely like the one portrayed by McCallum.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Now, if Hammer would've said that, I'd have believed him because his Illya was nothing remotely like the one portrayed by McCallum.
    He really should have studied McCallum. A man's got to know his limitations, and his were sadly exposed and destroyed the film for me.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Now, if Hammer would've said that, I'd have believed him because his Illya was nothing remotely like the one portrayed by McCallum.
    He really should have studied McCallum. A man's got to know his limitations, and his were sadly exposed and destroyed the film for me.
    And that's understandable. His Illya was very unappealing, especially to the fans of the original series. It's Henry Cavill saves the scenes whenever the duo make appearances together. It's like watching a Bugs Bunny and overly angry Daffy Duck arguing with one another, which was what made it funny for me and I enjoyed it.

    I might revisit the film sometime very soon.
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