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  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Samuel001 wrote:
    It's likely that Mendes would want him to but according to @JamesPage, things may not have gone so well. Maybe this will signal Arnold's return.

    The score of Skyfall is the first Bond score to be nominated for an Academy Award since 1977, the first Bond score ever to win a BAFTA and the first Bond score ever to win a Grammy. I will be really suprised if Thomas Newman doesn't return, no matter what JamesPage says.

    The return of David Arnold would be a joke.

    At the time, DAD was a box office success and is one if the highest grossing movies on the series and yet, the producers still decided on the decision to take the risk of not only rebooting the series but to cast a largely unpopular choice of actor as their new leading man. Point being, irrespective of the success and accolades Newman's received for his Bond work that doesn't mean he can't be replaced if needs be. Quite frankly, I don't think the competition for Newman were all that impressive to begin with, Newman's score for SF was average at best and I am a also of the opinion it's his surname that's mainly getting him these nominations in the first place.

    The Bond movies are comprised of a few elements that that make them conspicuously unique and different from other films and to keep things fresh and innovative, one has to take those elements and play around with them a bit and music in Bond films is a KEY factor for the series. Oscar nom for the first time since the 70s? That's great but that has nothing to do with the quality of Newman's work but more to do with the academy becoming less stringent and uptight about their noms and wins. The academy are trying to retain genuine relevance and popularity and with all the work that Barry did for Bond and got nothing proves my point.
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 4,619
    After the critical and commercial success of Skyfall I expect that Mendes will have even more freedom with Bond 24 than he did the last time. I would be shocked if Mendes didn't want Newman to return or if the producers didn't let Mendes to chose him.
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    Ludovico wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    LeChiffre wrote:
    Jesse Eisenberg for Blofeld anyone? wink wink

    I've actually seen that brought up in one of these threads before.

    What is the world coming into? I was already fed up of all the bald actors people were bringing forward to play Blofeld. But a kid?

    I was actually joking because everyone's getting their knickers in a twist over his casting as Lex Luthor. Heath Ledger=Joker didn't work out too bad and yet he was castigated at the time.
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 14,888
    LeChiffre wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    LeChiffre wrote:
    Jesse Eisenberg for Blofeld anyone? wink wink

    I've actually seen that brought up in one of these threads before.

    What is the world coming into? I was already fed up of all the bald actors people were bringing forward to play Blofeld. But a kid?

    I was actually joking because everyone's getting their knickers in a twist over his casting as Lex Luthor. Heath Ledger=Joker didn't work out too bad and yet he was castigated at the time.

    I knew you were joking, I thought I would play with it. I didn't know he had been cast as Luthor, certainly an odd choice. I didn't know Ledger was castigated either.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Harry Gregson-Williams to do the score.
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    Ludovico wrote:
    LeChiffre wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    LeChiffre wrote:
    Jesse Eisenberg for Blofeld anyone? wink wink

    I've actually seen that brought up in one of these threads before.

    What is the world coming into? I was already fed up of all the bald actors people were bringing forward to play Blofeld. But a kid?

    I was actually joking because everyone's getting their knickers in a twist over his casting as Lex Luthor. Heath Ledger=Joker didn't work out too bad and yet he was castigated at the time.

    I knew you were joking, I thought I would play with it. I didn't know he had been cast as Luthor, certainly an odd choice. I didn't know Ledger was castigated either.

    My apologies. I completely agree with you that we wouldn't want a young actor playing such an iconic Bond villain. But I can see JE making a decent Lex Luthor. He plays greedy immoral characters well ie Social Network.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    It's going to be hard to suspend disbelief that superman doesn't just calmly walk over to JE's LL and knock his block off.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited February 2014 Posts: 28,694
    doubleoego wrote:
    It's going to be hard to suspend disbelief that superman doesn't just calmly walk over to JE's LL and knock his block off.

    You suspend it when reading the comics, so what's the difference now? He could go up to Lex and flick him into oblivion easily, but that's not how he does things. Superman isn't like Batman. Given the choice, he will avoid any harm to humans if he can, even if that person is Lex.
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    doubleoego wrote:
    It's going to be hard to suspend disbelief that superman doesn't just calmly walk over to JE's LL and knock his block off.

    You suspend it when reading the comics, so what's the difference now? He could go up to Lex and flick him into oblivion easily, but that's not how he does things. Superman isn't like Batman. Given the choice, he will avoid any harm to humans if he can, even if that person is Lex.

    And especially since Luthor is only human, ie very vulnerable to Superman's superpowers. But that is off topic...
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Blofeld to not return. I don't care if it's a reboot. They don't need to re-use Bond villains. By that logic we should Just reboot Doctor No, Largo, Rosa Klebb and all the other Bond villains. Blofeld is dead and buried. If we start bringing back villains, it might end up taking things to Die Another Day territory.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    LeChiffre wrote:
    Jesse Eisenberg for Blofeld anyone? wink wink

    I hope not. He's a good actor, but far too young, IMO.

    Philip Seymour Hoffman would make a great Blofeld.

    Not anymore: http://news.sky.com/story/1205396/philip-seymour-hoffman-found-dead-at-home
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    Walecs wrote:
    LeChiffre wrote:
    Jesse Eisenberg for Blofeld anyone? wink wink

    I hope not. He's a good actor, but far too young, IMO.

    Philip Seymour Hoffman would make a great Blofeld.

    Not anymore: http://news.sky.com/story/1205396/philip-seymour-hoffman-found-dead-at-home

    Gosh this is tragic.
  • LicencedToKilt69007LicencedToKilt69007 Belgium, Wallonia
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    Personally, I think the late Ph. Seymour Hoffman would have made a better Le Chiffre (he looked more the part if you read CR) than a Blofeld. But this, concerns only me.
  • Murdock wrote:
    Blofeld to not return. I don't care if it's a reboot. They don't need to re-use Bond villains. By that logic we should Just reboot Doctor No, Largo, Rosa Klebb and all the other Bond villains. Blofeld is dead and buried. If we start bringing back villains, it might end up taking things to Die Another Day territory.

    The difference between Largo and all the rest of them is that Blofeld is Bond's arch nemesis, especially in the books. He's the only real recurring villain of the entire franchise and he's never really been used to his full potential on screen.

    Not sure what you mean by taking things to DAD territory?
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    The difference between Largo and all the rest of them is that Blofeld is Bond's arch nemesis, especially in the books. He's the only real recurring villain of the entire franchise and he's never really been used to his full potential on screen.

    Not sure what you mean by taking things to DAD territory?

    Blofeld was used well enough in FRWL, TB and OHMSS.

    As for DAD territory, His return could be taken somewhere very over the top and I don't mean bald with a cat. It could either make the reboot better, or dumb it down and ruin what EoN set out to create with clean slate.
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    Bringing back Q was more of a risk of going into DAD territory (because he gives Bond gadgets), and they handled it fine. What do you mean by his return being OTT?

    He's barely featured in FRWL and TB, and even in OHMSS he's a bit bland compared to how he is in the books.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Bringing back Q was more of a risk of going into DAD territory and they handled it fine. His return could be OTT if they wanted it to but I doubt that's the direction they could take it.

    He's barely featured in FRWL and TB, and even in OHMSS he's a bit bland compared to how he is in the books.

    Because that's not the same Q as Desmond or John Cleese. He's a new character with the title of Q.

    And I like that he was hardly featured in those movies. It added to the mystery of who he was. Which sadly was disappointing with YOLT and DAF.
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 12,837
    And Blofeld would be a new character with the name Blofeld. The Blofeld in the books is very different to the bald cat loving pantomine baddy we got in the films.

    Exactly, they built up the mystery of him and then revealed him and it was very disappointing. How is that using him well?
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    And Blofeld would be a new character with the name Blofeld. The Blofeld in the books is very different to the bald cat loving pantomine baddy we got in the films.

    I know Blofeld was different in the books. His physical appearance isn't being discussed here. He's been a used element. Bringing him back makes the franchise predictable. (Star Trek Into Darkness being an example.) It's important for the franchise to be fresh and use new ideas that haven't been touched on. They could easily create a new character and give them Blofeld's backstory and character development and make him head of Quantum.
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    Whilst I wouldn't mind seeing a return of Blofeld (done correctly) I think @Murdock makes his argument against, very well.
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 381
    I would love to see Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross score the film. They did a great job with TSN and TGWTDT. I think Craig even said that he loved the score for TGWTDT. It would be different and fit the darker tone of the Mendes-Craig era.
  • Posts: 14,888
    Murdock wrote:
    And Blofeld would be a new character with the name Blofeld. The Blofeld in the books is very different to the bald cat loving pantomine baddy we got in the films.

    I know Blofeld was different in the books. His physical appearance isn't being discussed here. He's been a used element. Bringing him back makes the franchise predictable. (Star Trek Into Darkness being an example.) It's important for the franchise to be fresh and use new ideas that haven't been touched on. They could easily create a new character and give them Blofeld's backstory and character development and make him head of Quantum.

    The thing is, Blofeld's appearance is ALL the general public remember of Blofeld. Not his name, not his history (never ever mentioned in the films, even remotely), nothing else than the scar, the cat, the bald head. Into Darkness failed IMO regarding Khan because apart from the name, he had very little from the original character, who had not been created and defined in a completely independent, but by another actor in one of its most memorable TV episodes and its most memorable movie. Blofeld never truly made the transition to the big screen, not even in OHMSS.
    Personally, I think the late Ph. Seymour Hoffman would have made a better Le Chiffre (he looked more the part if you read CR) than a Blofeld. But this, concerns only me.

    I had a number of reservations about Hoffman playing Blofeld, that said he would have been now, at least in physique and general appearance, an excellent TB-like Blofeld. He looked much older than his 46 years old.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Ludovico wrote:
    The thing is, Blofeld's appearance is ALL the general public remember of Blofeld. Not his name, not his history (never ever mentioned in the films, even remotely), nothing else than the scar, the cat, the bald head. Into Darkness failed IMO regarding Khan because apart from the name, he had very little from the original character, who had not been created and defined in a completely independent, but by another actor in one of its most memorable TV episodes and its most memorable movie. Blofeld never truly made the transition to the big screen, not even in OHMSS.

    So? What's wrong with using the character's literary likeness and giving him a new name?
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    Murdock wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    The thing is, Blofeld's appearance is ALL the general public remember of Blofeld. Not his name, not his history (never ever mentioned in the films, even remotely), nothing else than the scar, the cat, the bald head. Into Darkness failed IMO regarding Khan because apart from the name, he had very little from the original character, who had not been created and defined in a completely independent, but by another actor in one of its most memorable TV episodes and its most memorable movie. Blofeld never truly made the transition to the big screen, not even in OHMSS.

    So? What's wrong with using the character's literary likeness and giving him a new name?

    Oh I'd be all for it, but what I mean is that since Blofeld has never been identified as such by the general public, they might as well use the original name.
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    Forget Bond 24, I want a Kincaid spin-off film with a cameo from a young Bond :))
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    doubleoego wrote:
    It's going to be hard to suspend disbelief that superman doesn't just calmly walk over to JE's LL and knock his block off.

    You suspend it when reading the comics, so what's the difference now? He could go up to Lex and flick him into oblivion easily, but that's not how he does things. Superman isn't like Batman. Given the choice, he will avoid any harm to humans if he can, even if that person is Lex.

    First of all, comics and movies are 2 different things. Just because something can be bought within the realm of a comic book doesn't mean it can automatically wit for a movie. Secondly, I see what you're saying but overall, I just don't recognise JE as having the sort of screen presence required for the role at all, especially as he's playing such an iconic character. As an actor the guy has no range, which just makes convincing me this guy as LL a very difficult sell but; stranger things have happened and obviously, I'm not dismissing anything until I see the final product but as of now I'm sceptical and not convinced of JE's credibility to do the role any kind of satisfying justice but we'll see.
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 2,107
    More like Casino Royale, where Bond is a relaxed playboy, and not struck by depression or personal angst.

    More exotism, spying and I though Skyfall did this well. Some more glamour and less murky enviroments.

    Maybe snow or underwater stuff.

    I want to hear from Quantum, but I am fine if we don't hear about them. Not gonna be mad or anything.

    That's about it.

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    The gunbarrel in the middle of the movie. Just kidding, although I am wondering if it would be feasible.
  • I do wish that they would bring the traditional gunbarrel back to the start of the film.
  • Pajan005Pajan005 Stockholm, Sweden
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    I think the gunbarrel will be at the start since Mendes himself said he originally intended SF to open with it. He changed it because it didn't fit well with beginning of the pre-title scene.
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