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There you go, DC! Mine it!
Dick: "You said this wasn't about killing people!"
Bruce: "I said a lot of things. I said I was going to direct The Batman. I said Batman Vs. Superman was going to be good. You can't trust me, Dick. Now if you'll excuse me I have to clean somebody off the Batmobile."
Dick: "You said you had rules for a reason, Bruce. What happened?"
Bruce: "Jason happened. You may've been the first, but you weren't the last."
(Contrast that with James Bond's twelve books and two short story collections and I'd say Bond hasn't been doing too shabby by comparison.)
Speaking on only Batman, the idea to explore a jaded, post-glory days Bruce is interesting, but the execution has been bad. Instead of showing us intensely why he'd changed, they just showed him killing for the visual action of it, leaving the message and his (apparent) redemption somewhere at the end of the film very hollow. When the movie ends, I don't feel like Bruce is back, or that he understands the effect of what he's done to people. I thought he was a monster.
By having a Bruce way past it, it's also harder to tell comics stories where he's facing his enemies, as they'd be older too, and he'd know all their moves after decades of facing them. It's rather boring, really, unless the films strive to explore how Batman's dynamic with his enemies has changed over time.
We never got to have Batman films where he's earnestly facing baddies in comic book fashion (ie., in a comic book universe), and now for the next decade or so, we're stuck with this interpretation of the character that really doesn't excite. Even when crippled by portraying a more grounded set of films, Nolan was able to capture the essence of Batman better than any movies before or sense, while Burton has yet to be matched when it comes to realizing a gothic Gotham.
If we got movies that contained the principles and spirit of Nolan's stamp on the character (who he is and why he fights) mixed with Burton's eerie skylines and "world," we'd be in for a treat. I want to see Batman movies adapting his fight in the desert with Ra's, or his conflicts with the likes of Two-Face, Riddler, Scarecrow, Catwoman, etc, but told right.
I'm just not hopeful we'll be getting that. By throwing Batman in with the other DC heroes, the character's style has kind of been cramped. It's never made sense why he takes so much time away from Gotham to fight intergalactic war with immortals, when one hit from any enemy could kill him. I think past Batman films have been right to keep him on his own in his own universe, with no appearances by other heroes, as if they didn't exist. We just need a series of Batman films, and nothing else. I think that's the best shot we have of getting anything that even touches Nolan.
The only thing that still has me concerned is Affleck's role in the long run. Does he want to stick around beyond the solo film? Does the announcement of a Nightwing film mean WB is prepping for his departure? I think it is reasonable to still have these concerns.
Regardless, as it stands now, I'm more interested in a Nightwing movie than an actual Batman film. I want to see the Bat Family properly expanded.
https://www.warnerbros.com/studio/news/matt-reeves-direct-and-produce-batman
Agreed. Batman Vs. Superman jumped the gun past many potential Batman stories. I like the idea of an older Bruce (Batman Beyond did a phenomenal job with the concept), but my reaction to BvS was similar to how I felt about Skyfall—just left wondering what happened to Batman/Bond in his prime. I'm going to be watching the extended cut of BvS soon. Hopefully it will prove an improvement, but it might just be a longer version of the same.
I'm not a huge fan of the Justice League concept in general. Batman and Superman are by far the two most interesting characters and they do best in my opinion as the stars of their own stories—or occasionally confronting each other Supermano-a-Batmano. But DC is racing to catch up to Marvel now that Marvel's been celebrating its victory lap for a few years already. They're going about it the wrong way though. DC doesn't have to compete against Marvel by playing Marvel's game. They should, as you suggest, be focusing on developing really great stories for Batman and Superman individually. Do more Nolan/Burton style Batman films, not Marvel-lite (dark?) team movies that carve out little slices of the pie for everyone and wind up getting major facets of major characters majorly wrong.
I saw the four minute preview, which did seem to be going more for the comedy, and it didn't leave me feeling very hopeful. Just the opposite exact. I agree that any humor having to do with Batman should come out of situational humor playing off of how stone-faced he is. I feel like Affleck pretty much played his Bats that way in BvS, but I'll have to see for sure when I watch it again.
It was an issue! At least it was for the average movie-goer.
As do I, but that's only issue for those of us who actually know the characters.
The opening in Metropolis had that and it was beautiful, but that's also where the movie peaked.
They discuss dark\tone in this hilarious video, anyone who has watched Collider will appreciate this
Very true. I guess a part of me always knew I suppose; but I had hoped the DCEU really were going to make a serious effort in being an actual DCEU where we get to see a plethora of all these amazing characters; but true to form there's all this talk about films of certain characters being developed, then something goes wrong and we here nothing. Meanwhile everything batman related gets either made, fast tracked and secures directors. I love batman and his mythology but this is a crying shame for other DC characters that deserve some much needed recognition and spotlight. All things Batman will forever be cemented as DC's cinematic crutch.
There's the glorious years, like the run of the animated series, and the release of the Nolan films and Rocksteady games, but in between there's the Batman & Robin-esque screw-ups too, and that's the period we've hit on now.
I don't think the Batman brand is tarnished, though. Affleck was written as the surprise of BvS, especially after the backlash, and I'm sure that if you asked people on the street what films they were excited to see from DC and Warner, they'd not recognize any of the other heroes and instantly hit on Batman. He's just one of those characters that transcends everything.
Tweet from Batfleck
Ben is obviously leaving *sarcasm*
My favorite bit was at the beginning where one of the sex slaves called him a "demon," following shortly by a man yelling from the floor above. I got tingles up my spine. I don't like this Batman, but I will concede I have never been more scared of his power on the big screen.