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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Poorly executed. We were supposed to be frightened as Bond makes his entrance to that valley of death. But, it was just a typical meeting scene. Sorry, Sam, but that was poorly directed.
  • RC7RC7
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    I thought it was excellent. It's no TB, but then what is? Tosca is fine, but very arty farty. If I were sat next one of the Quantum members I'd be pretty f***ed off at them rabbiting away into an ear piece. Surely getting the message over that Bolivia is top priority can be done in a less contrived and simplistic manner? It's a fun scene, but I don't see how it is any better than the equivalent in SP. My only regret is that the atmosphere they created doesn't permeate a little more of the film, particularly with Waltz.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Poorly executed. We were supposed to be frightened as Bond makes his entrance to that valley of death. But, it was just a typical meeting scene. Sorry, Sam, but that was poorly directed.

    The scene wants to to be TB. But its not.
  • BT3366BT3366
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    I like the scene. Not sure it was meant to be like the TB meeting scene as that wasn't a mass affair like this was, just a few high-ranking members.

    The atmosphere is there and it's quite memorable and an SP highlight for me. I also enjoy the QoS and TB meetings. Maybe I just like meeting scenes.

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited May 2017 Posts: 15,423
    I got the vibes from the trailer it wanted to be an Eyes Wide Shut type of thing. And honestly, I would love to see Bond fighting those types of villains. But, it was just another meeting scene with low lights. Seems Spectre is economically sparing some budget to pay the bills. :))
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2017 Posts: 23,883
    It really was the pacing that threw me off. I was sitting in the theatre wondering what the point was. I assumed it was meant to be suspenseful, but it was just dull to me, apart from Hinx's appearance. I almost felt like either film makers didn't realize how boring it was, or I was missing something.

    Sadly, the money shot "Welcome James" had already been overexposed in the trailers (idiots), further ruining the sequence.

    The Eyes Wide Shut sequence was incredible. Different league entirely.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    bondjames wrote: »
    It really was the pacing that threw me off. I was sitting in the theatre wondering what the point was. I assumed it was meant to be suspenseful, but it was just dull to me, apart from Hinx's appearance. I almost felt like either film makers didn't realize how boring it was, or I was missing something.

    Sadly, the money shot "Welcome James" had already been overexposed in the trailers (idiots), further ruining the sequence.

    The Eyes Wide Shut sequence was incredible. Different league entirely.
    +1
  • CrzChris4CrzChris4
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    I dislike that Waltz wouldn't even move his own microphone, yet he's doing all the brunt work towards the end of the film.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Budget cuts. :))
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    CrzChris4 wrote: »
    I dislike that Waltz wouldn't even move his own microphone, yet he's doing all the brunt work towards the end of the film.

    Little known fact: Christoph Waltz has abnormally weak forearms. Any heavy lifting you see Waltz do in the second half of the film (typing on his keyboard, gesturing with his hands, drawing a heart on the glass)—CGI, all of it.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    So he's kind of like the Mr. Burns version of Blofeld then? It all makes sense now.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    bondjames wrote: »
    The Eyes Wide Shut sequence was incredible. Different league entirely.


    Definitely...SPECTRE's meeting doesn't even come close to that or TB.

  • LudovicoLudovico
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    I got the vibes from the trailer it wanted to be an Eyes Wide Shut type of thing. And honestly, I would love to see Bond fighting those types of villains. But, it was just another meeting scene with low lights. Seems Spectre is economically sparing some budget to pay the bills. :))

    It's not the only scene of SP that emulates Kubrick. And it also had something of Dr Strangelove. I liked it personally.

    Anyway the whole movie is full of Kubrick's imagery.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    I got the vibes from the trailer it wanted to be an Eyes Wide Shut type of thing. And honestly, I would love to see Bond fighting those types of villains. But, it was just another meeting scene with low lights. Seems Spectre is economically sparing some budget to pay the bills. :))

    It's not the only scene of SP that emulates Kubrick. And it also had something of Dr Strangelove. I liked it personally.

    Anyway the whole movie is full of Kubrick's imagery.
    Definitely. As a homage to Kubrick, I find it a dismal attempt to be so. But, on a separate note without trying to connect myself to what I hoped to see from the trailers, it's a likable set of imagery in its overall form.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Controversial opinion - TB is a perfect Bond film in every way.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Controversial opinion - TB is a perfect Bond film in every way.

    Sounds good to me !!

    +1

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Controversial opinion - TB is a perfect Bond film in every way.

    Even Leiter s magic pants?
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Controversial opinion - TB is a perfect Bond film in every way.

    Sounds good to me !!

    +1

    +2
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Berenice on Craig Ferguson. Quite a babe. I don't know how he kept his hands off her:

    Her voice is a tad too masculine for me but....ummm....that body and her hands <3
  • noSolaceleftnoSolaceleft
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    Hands?!?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @BAIN123, I love her voice. Quite sexy imho.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Controversial opinion - TB is a perfect Bond film in every way.

    Sounds good to me !!

    +1

    +2
    Thirded.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    Posts: 11,189
    noSolaceleft wrote: »
    Hands?!?

    They look quite seductive (the way she holds the chair arms and grabs Ferguson's tie :)

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Controversial opinion: She made more of an impact in that one scene just looking at Bond across skyscrapers (let alone at the casino where she aced it) than Lea Seydoux did in the whole of SP.
  • RC7RC7
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Controversial opinion - TB is a perfect Bond film in every way.

    On paper - yes. In execution - no.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    RC7 wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Controversial opinion - TB is a perfect Bond film in every way.

    On paper - yes. In execution - no.

    In what areas ?

  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 8,507
    @bondjames , that's not a controversial opinion in my eyes.

    Severine, with little screen time, is my favourite Bond girl outside of Vesper, in the modern era.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I agree @peter. Both instantly memorable from first sighting in that alluring yet smart Bondian manner.
  • noSolaceleftnoSolaceleft
    Posts: 1,162
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    noSolaceleft wrote: »
    Hands?!?

    They look quite seductive (the way she holds the chair arms and grabs Ferguson's tie :)

    sounds reasonable to me. Especially the tie thing
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    RC7 wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Controversial opinion - TB is a perfect Bond film in every way.

    On paper - yes. In execution - no.

    Yep. Loads of spectacle for a lot of meh.
  • CrzChris4CrzChris4
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    I agree - TB is littered wifh some of my favorite Connery Bond moments but the film's long, dreadful pace doesn't do the film any favors. I think being told SPECTRE's plan and then watching Bond have to play catch up doesn't really help either. The film would have benefitted from losing an extra 10-15 minutes of film to tighten up the pace. But from what I've read, Hunt had his work cut out for him in post production so it's understandable.
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