"Dont blow it all at once ": Die Another Day Appreciation Thread

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  • RareJamesBondFanRareJamesBondFan Touch it. You can touch it if you want.
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    Jinx: "So you're gonna be busy tonight with the owls huh."

    Bond: "No owls in Los Oregano. Nothing to see till the morning. Not out there anyway"

    Jinx: "So what do owls do when the sun goes down?"

    Bond "They feast......... like there's no tomorrow!"

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    No, DAD is abysmal. Worst Bond movie ever made perhaps. Only the other Brosnan films come close.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    A bit too biased, aren't we?
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I love Pierce and he's my number one Bond, but sadly he couldn't save the movie. It's pretty good up until we learn Gustav Graves is actually Colonel Moon. That's not what Gene Therapy is! :P
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited August 2016 Posts: 15,423
    The film is flawed as it is ridiculous at bits. But, one thing is factual is that it wasn't trying to be realistic as everyone here blindly hopes for. It kept up to the standards of what the mainstream media was offering. Now, what came afterwards, such as the popularitiy of the verisimilitude shakycam assassin dilemma that is the Bourne series is entirely a different thing. DAD wasn't aimed at that audience. A product of its time and a very good one at that. Obviously with today's effects and magic makers of cinema's CGI department, it could have been a lot better film. But, that's not bound to be argued.

    Some people are just convinced it's bad, snap of a finger, it's bad. No its no buts. No reasonable deduction. Just insults and uncalled-for words. Yet, I remember loads of reviews from that time that DAD "is the best Bond film ever made" by some. And yeah, even Roger Ebert held it in his favour. So, that says pretty much about it.

    And it certainly does not ruin my enjoyment of the film, but that's entirely a different thing, as well.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited August 2016 Posts: 10,588
    There's never a time when I'm not having a blast watching that film, if I go in knowing what to expect.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    edited August 2016 Posts: 3,000
    The film is flawed as it is ridiculous at bits. But, one thing is factual is that it wasn't trying to be realistic as everyone here blindly hopes for. It kept up to the standards of what the mainstream media was offering. Now, what came afterwards, such as the popularitiy of the verisimilitude shakycam assassin dilemma that is the Bourne series is entirely a different thing. DAD wasn't aimed at that audience. A product of its time and a very good one at that. Obviously with today's effects and magic makers of cinema's CGI department, it could have been a lot better film. But, that's not bound to be argued.

    Some people are just convinced it's bad, snap of a finger, it's bad. No its no buts. No reasonable deduction. Just insults and uncalled-for words. Yet, I remember loads of reviews from that time that DAD "is the best Bond film ever made" by some. And yeah, even Roger Ebert held it in his favour. So, that says pretty much about it.

    And it certainly does not ruin my enjoyment of the film, but that's entirely a different thing, as well.


    Agree 100%. In many ways it reminds me of a Moore era Bond movie. It's over-the-top and not meant to be serious at all. Not to mention that it's basically a better remake of DAF, which, let's face it, is a Moore era Bond with Connery shoehorned into it (not to malign his performance; it just doesn't match his usual Bond style).
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    The film is flawed as it is ridiculous at bits. But, one thing is factual is that it wasn't trying to be realistic as everyone here blindly hopes for. It kept up to the standards of what the mainstream media was offering. Now, what came afterwards, such as the popularitiy of the verisimilitude shakycam assassin dilemma that is the Bourne series is entirely a different thing. DAD wasn't aimed at that audience. A product of its time and a very good one at that. Obviously with today's effects and magic makers of cinema's CGI department, it could have been a lot better film. But, that's not bound to be argued.

    Some people are just convinced it's bad, snap of a finger, it's bad. No its no buts. No reasonable deduction. Just insults and uncalled-for words. Yet, I remember loads of reviews from that time that DAD "is the best Bond film ever made" by some. And yeah, even Roger Ebert held it in his favour. So, that says pretty much about it.

    And it certainly does not ruin my enjoyment of the film, but that's entirely a different thing, as well.


    Agree 100%. In many ways it reminds me of a Moore era Bond movie. It's over-the-top and not meant to be serious at all. Not to mention that it's basically a better remake of DAF, which, let's face it, is a Moore era Bond with Connery shoehorned into it (not to malign his performance; it just doesn't match his usual Bond style).
    Thank you!
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I always really liked Jinx (I'm in the minority, obviously).
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    yes it does have some significant weaknesses, but it's not nearly the disaster some make it out to be. If I'm in the mood for light, escapist fun I can see what's good in it and minimize the negative.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited August 2016 Posts: 15,423
    jake24 wrote: »
    I always really liked Jinx (I'm in the minority, obviously).
    I'll admit, I also developed some liking to her recently.
    talos7 wrote: »
    yes it does have some significant weaknesses, but it's not nearly the disaster some make it out to be. If I'm in the mood for light, escapist fun I can see what's good in it and minimize the negative.
    I feel exactly the same way about it. And I love the film just for that reason: Escapism.
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    I don't mind Dad Another Day at all in the mood and if I have the time, some wicked masterstrokes buried within the film, and infact I may even make a Bondmovie fant railer for it....
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    IGUANNA wrote: »
    I don't mind Dad Another Day at all in the mood and if I have the time, some wicked masterstrokes buried within the film, and infact I may even make a Bondmovie fant railer for it....
    @IGUANNA, if it's anything like that Licence To Kill parody, please do! :))
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    @ClarkDevlin have you checked out my trailer for the World Is Not A Nut yet? It's a bit more serios.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    IGUANNA wrote: »
    @ClarkDevlin have you checked out my trailer for the World Is Not A Nut yet? It's a bit more serios.
    No, I haven't. Which thread is it in?
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    I rather like "DIE ANOTHER DIE", aside from the Iceland sequence, which I found a bit absurd.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I rather liked the Iceland sequence to be honest. It screamed the typical 1960s spy escapist to me with a modern twist. From the Italian EuroSpy films to our very own Avengers with John Steed and Emma Peel. That's what DAD was trying to achieve. The comic book type of fantasy oriented spy adventure. And I love it particularly for that reason.
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    vzok wrote: »
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Hated TERMINATOR 2. I don't really go for franchise films aside from Bond and the occasional STAR WARS film.

    Are you not keen on Marvel or DC movies?

    No.

    You say that like it's an impossibility that people could possibly be bored with the tedious churning out of creatively moribund, CGI overloaded mediocrity?

    It was just a simple question for Birdleson as I remember his liking of Superman.
    The thing about Superman (1978) was that they couldn't wave a magic CGI wand to 'amaze' the audience. The wrote a good script full of great dialogue, they cast & photographed it meticulously, the got the number one musician on the planet to score it, and the achieved outstanding visual effects with fine craftsmanship, hard work & ingenuity. I was a monumental undertaking that paid off handsomely.
    Today we just get the kids together, run around a bit in front of a camera and then spend six months letting the technicians (many of whom I will admit are artists in their own right) add all the backgrounds, foregrounds & fight scenes. 8-|

    I've seen 35mm prints of Superman screened a couple times in the past decade or so, and I must say on the big screen the effects really do hold up. It helps tremendously that it's actually shots of Reeve most the time. I didn't even bother with Batman V Superman as to me the whole film just looked like a video game. I hate that CGI video game look that dominates pretty much ALL major films now. I absolutely hate it.
    Even SPECTRE, which was shot on film looks CGI- especially in the PTS. Compare the helicopter shots in FYEO. Aside from some back projection, it looked pretty real. SP had the digital look to it.
    One thing I'll say for DAD- is that it does look like film and old school vivid Technicolor as well. Aside from the PTS sequence which was deliberately given a gray washed out look, DAD visually is stunning. The Cuba scenes stand out, and the Ice Palace is in the Ken Adam style. Get rid of the crappy windsurfing bit, the awful shots of the plane going down at the end (TLD did it so much better), you'd have a great looking Bond film.
  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
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    ToTheRight wrote: »

    I hate that CGI video game look that dominates pretty much ALL major films now. I absolutely hate it.
    Even SPECTRE, which was shot on film looks CGI- especially in the PTS.

    It's terrible. I don't even know whether it was filmed for real or whether it's cgi
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    DAD is utterrly dire from beginnnig to end! Worst Bond movie ever! I'd take NSNA over it anyday, and thats bad! I dont get those who get their knickers in a twist over SP, and the stepbrother thing (the word isn't even mentiomne!) and yet have no problem with Bond actually turning into an animated character, ie windsurfing scene! Boggling!
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    Meant mentioned!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Nitpicking over something unnoticeable (Bond being animated) and so small in a scene unless you have seen the documentary. Now that boggles me.
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    Nitpicking over something unnoticeable (Bond being animated) and so small in a scene unless you have seen the documentary. Now that boggles me.

    It really is noticeable.

    I watched DAD recently and enjoyed it. But the dialogue between Jinx and Bond is like a clunky Carry On film.

    Plus that windsurfing moment is so poorly done. Just a bit of editing would have made it look better.
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    The Bond/Jinx beach scene is basically the equivalent of a porn film before the sex.

    The dialogue is quite fun to re-enact though.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited August 2016 Posts: 10,588
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    The Bond/Jinx beach scene is basically the equivalent of a porn film before the sex.

    The dialogue is quite fun to re-enact though.
    That has to be the funniest explanation of the scene have ever heard :))
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    Its not just that scene of the windsurfing! (And it is very noticeable!) I think its a badly written, badly acted and Directed Bond film! Some say the beginnning with Bond captured, is the best part, but i find this part unintentionally hilarious, mainly for Brossas bad acting and his Monty Pythons Life of Brian make up! And Halle Berry is terrible in it. Mind you she is given some awful dialogue to say!
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Its not just that scene of the windsurfing! (And it is very noticeable!) I think its a badly written, badly acted and Directed Bond film! Some say the beginnning with Bond captured, is the best part, but i find this part unintentionally hilarious, mainly for Brossas bad acting and his Monty Pythons Life of Brian make up! And Halle Berry is terrible in it. Mind you she is given some awful dialogue to say!

    He's not a secret agent, he's a very naughty boy!
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    The Bond/Jinx beach scene is basically the equivalent of a porn film before the sex.

    The dialogue is quite fun to re-enact though.

    Wait till you get to the sex.
  • edited August 2016 Posts: 1,595
    I rather liked the Iceland sequence to be honest. It screamed the typical 1960s spy escapist to me with a modern twist. From the Italian EuroSpy films to our very own Avengers with John Steed and Emma Peel. That's what DAD was trying to achieve. The comic book type of fantasy oriented spy adventure. And I love it particularly for that reason.

    Yeah, I like it to this day. And of course it's absurd, but if we start pointing out all of the absurdities in the Bond films we'd hate them all. In fact, I think absurd is one of the big elements of the entire franchise in general.

    Oh, and @Mathis1, although I get my "knickers in a twist" over a few things in Spectre, I do think it's better than DAD and I rank it higher.
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