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It gets worse than this: according to Xian moral what matters is repentance and forgiveness. So anyone CAN be unfaithful, then repent, then be forgiven by God. But if an atheist is faithful then he goes to hell for not believing and not worshipping.
I will say Darth and Chris are model atheists that you all should ascribe to as I honestly believe that they would be more then happy to worship a god should that god prove scientifically they exist and explain their miracles scientifically...
Not sure what point you’re trying to make though?
What would you do? Forgive him? That’s your prerogative but you don’t need a belief in God to do that.
I deliberately gave real examples and you choose to ignore the question.
People invade countries, cut up woman, make bombs, refuse to serve homosexuals, withdraw medical care from the kids etc etc, there is nothing hypothtical about these situations. These people exist and are doing this under the moral code of their God. It's a perfectly fair question for anyone to ask.
And I won't buck your question so you can see what it's like to get an answer. The right thing to do is to let legal due process take place. Obviously, there is a a debate to be had regarding the moral ellement BUT only free thinkers can enter that debate as "I do what God tells me to do" offers nothing. Like a child saying "he told me to do it". It's just not a grown up response.
But then Jesus came along and contradicted all that by saying ‘turn the other cheek’.
So depending on who is instructing @Risico007 on what to do that day, God or Jesus, I guess he would either kill him or offer his own arse to be raped as the Bible never mentions allowing due legal process to follow its course does it?
So much easier with the "I do what God tells me to do" line. Certainly saves alot of time.
If only the Nazis had been shred enough to say ‘God told me to do it’ rather than ‘I was just following orders’ they might well have got off?
Obviously being forced to take personal responsibility for your own life and decisions is a ludicrous concept when you can just play this get out of jail free card all the time.
Easy, kill two murderers,
next question?
The Nazis kind of did. They had "God With Us" written on their belts.
So become a serial killer?
Easy, kill two murderers,
next question?
Like the great flood?
Nah the flood is more technically the act of a spree killer.
A serial killer would be someone who kills in a repeated pattern multiple victims. Say someone who, for arguments sake, keeps infecting babies with cancer.
Similar after the Grenfell Tower fire. I'm sure faith groups did great work after the fire but some heavy rain may have been a good idea from the chief sky fairy.
Though I cannot prove this on any level, I suspect that there is a sort of universal 'spirit'... an energy field created by all living things surrounding us and penetrating us and binding the galaxy together... the entire Earth is a living thing... I also hold to the idea of non or semi-specific reincarnation.
I'm actually a rather poor example of an atheist, I reckon.
Don’t usually allow myself a lol.
There's no reason to believe the devil exists. And if the God of the Bible existed he'd need no devil! He's doing a fine job as a murderous evil maniac all by himself.
I regret to disappoint you, @Risico007, but I'm really not that guy. I have explained before that even if God could be proven to exist, I'd neither like him nor worship him. Rather, he'd have a lot -- and I mean A LOT -- to answer for. I, and I'm sure many others, would insist that he be put to trial. Let him explain in front of 8 billion people why, either through action or inaction, he behaves as a mass murderer, a child killer, a fraud (Bible), a rapist of women (overpopulation) and a supporter of terrorism.
I swear god created us for his own amusement this thread is proof
Who created God?
@Risico007 if God was proven scientifically to exist (that's a big if that you and your Youtube videos are a long way from proving by the way) then we would have to accept it as a fact in the same way I might not like Raheem Sterling but there's nothing I can do to stop him playing for England because it is a fact. I might not like the fact but I cannot deny it.
So if God finally pitched up (hasn't bothered for at least 2000 years and even that's debatable so pretty unlikely) and gave an interview on telly and played to packed stadiums where he raised the dead and walked on water etc (although Dynamo did that so any claims God made would need rigorous testing) then I would have to accept the fact He exists.
But just because I would be compelled to accept his existence what possible reason would I have to worship him except out of fear he might strike me down?
Can you explain to us heathens why he is worthy of worship and devotion? What has he done in your life that makes you treat him with such reverence?
So by that rationale if you found out you were Hitler's son you would worship him too and consider it an outrage if people demanded he face justice for his monstrous crimes?
Habakkuk Chapter 3 states, “God came from Teman, and the Holy One from Mount Paran.”