Is Pierce Brosnan really all that bad ??

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  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I am glad that the Craig films have been working their way back to a more traditional Bond film. I'm hoping that SPECTRE and the follow up go whole hog, ala the Gilbert films. Not the overtly silliness, I mean in terms of scope and fun and the fantastic.

    The Lewis Gilbert films, really? Don't you mean the whole hog à la Terence Young..?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I think they're still living down DAD 13 years on, so the large scale world threat Bond is unlikely for some time to come.

    Budget constraints could also prevent it, as it's more difficult to make one of those without using a lot of CGI or spending a heck of a lot of money.

    I'd love to see one too, but I don't think we will during Craig's run.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I think they're still living down DAD 13 years on, so the large scale world threat Bond is unlikely for some time to come.

    Budget constraints could also prevent it, as it's more difficult to make one of those without using a lot of CGI or spending a heck of a lot of money.

    I'd love to see one too, but I don't think we will during Craig's run.

    I always wish that Greene's reservoir construction project in QoS had been shown on a grander scale - lots of goons and heavy machinery working away beneath the earth.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Getafix wrote: »
    I always wish that Greene's reservoir construction project in QoS had been shown on a grander scale - lots of goons and heavy machinery working away beneath the earth.
    That (plus blowing it up) would have pushed QOS into my top 5.
  • edited January 2015 Posts: 11,425
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    I always wish that Greene's reservoir construction project in QoS had been shown on a grander scale - lots of goons and heavy machinery working away beneath the earth.
    That (plus blowing it up) would have pushed QOS into my top 5.

    Definitely. Bond should have blown up the damn and then there should have been scenes of the water rushing back into the river valleys etc and kids splashing around and double-taking lamas (may be not).

    Was it you who said you didn't like the final battle in SF? I'm the same - I thought it was a bit boring. But I actually liked what Mendes was trying to do. The big epic set-piece battle, except this time on Bond's home turf. It was a nice idea. Just poorly executed. That's my problem with most of SF. I love the intent but just find the execution doesn't hit the right buttons for me. May be I'm getting a bit tired of Craig's deadpan Bond as well. Not sure. Hoping SP reignites my interest, otherwise I'll be looking forward to the new actor pretty soon.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Dan's movies could use a good animal scare here & there...
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    Dan's movies could use a good animal scare here & there...

    Yes, Mendes missed a trick there. May be he'll work that into SP. Hope so! And I want some yodelling in the alpine scenes - may be as Bond does a dramatic jump over a cravass or something. That would be brilliant.

    Oh, and cow bells. Must have cow bells.

  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    Dan's movies could use a good animal scare here & there...

    And more cowbell? :P
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    You guys are silly.
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    I'm sure OHMSS had cow bells. That's what made the movie.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Who thinks he's bad? I mean he's clearly not the best, and also adds little to the series, but bad? No way.

    I think he is bad. I mean really bad, awful.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Who thinks he's bad? I mean he's clearly not the best, and also adds little to the series, but bad? No way.

    I think he is bad. I mean really bad, awful.

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I need you clothes, your boots and your motorcycle.
  • AceHoleAceHole Belgium, via Britain
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    I need you clothes, your boots and your motorcycle.

    Straight out of 'From a view to a kill' short story...
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I'm with @thelivingroyale completely in his take on Brosnan's Bond. :-bd I had genuinely loved Dalton, too. But I love Pierce's Bond, and I have from the first in GE. And it is his own take on Bond. I really enjoy 3 of his 4 films and his first two are outstanding for me.

    Now where is my crossbow, so I can hunt down that @thunderfinger? ;)
  • edited January 2015 Posts: 11,189
    The last half of TND I think explains why he's now loathed by a fair number of the hardcore fanbase. He's less the spy and more the cheesy GQ action hero firing machine guns with one hand and seemingly in all directions. It's a shame really as he has some great scenes in the first half of that film.

    I've now decided that, while Brosnan may be noticably more comfortable in TND, he's better utilized and actually more convincing in Goldeneye.
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    LeChiffre wrote: »
    I can't believe anyone is longing to go back to that style of film now after Dan Craig's golden run.
    Introducing: SPECTRE!

    Point taken but its being handled in a more gritty realistic manner, none of the ice-berg surfing, remote controlled BMW style nonsense that tarnished the Brosnan years.
  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    Lol, the same writers who gave us that also gave us casino royale;)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Yes, true, but polished by Haggis
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Yes, true, but polished by Haggis

    the Haggis polish is worse than anything that P&W could ever come with, most people really overrated Haggis influence when one looks at his work you only end up with cliches and generally not too brilliant a job.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Yes, true, but polished by Haggis

    the Haggis polish is worse than anything that P&W could ever come with, most people really overrated Haggis influence when one looks at his work you only end up with cliches and generally not too brilliant a job.

    I thought he was the one who cleaned up the dialogue for CR. It was certainly better than the immediately prior movies. Otherwise, heaven forbid, we may have had "yoh mama" 2 or "buried with work"
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    bondjames wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Yes, true, but polished by Haggis

    the Haggis polish is worse than anything that P&W could ever come with, most people really overrated Haggis influence when one looks at his work you only end up with cliches and generally not too brilliant a job.

    I thought he was the one who cleaned up the dialogue for CR. It was certainly better than the immediately prior movies. Otherwise, heaven forbid, we may have had "yoh mama" 2 or "buried with work"

    The Yuoh Mama gets laid at P&W feet but it is well known that Tamahori had way too bad an influence on DAD. And Haggis and dialogue, please help me. I saw Haggis' Oscar winning movie for which he wrote the script as well talking about a collection of cliches thrown together, it makes DADs dialogue actually actually look sparkling [Okay I admit stretching it somewhat too much, but it is meant to make a point].

    ;)
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    I used to think so. But the last few films have made me appreciate the Brosnan era. Ok, they got things wrong, but I can point to scenes I liked, in all four films (yes, even Die Another Day). And more to the point, they felt like Bond films. They didn't try to be anything else.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited January 2015 Posts: 15,696
    I love all 6 Bond's, and I wouldn't change them in any way. I actually think EON dodged some pretty big bullets other the years. Brosnan gets a lot of flack, but who in the world could have been in his place had he or Dalton not been available for GE? Colin Firth? Hugh Grant? Liam Neeson? Please, god no. And I am a huge fan of Firth and Neeson, but I would never buy them as James Bond. Sure I am really sad Dalton didn't do more films, but for me Brosnan was the peak of Bond as a extremely handsome, suave, sophisticated british spy. And I love him for that. No one could ever beat Brosnan in that department, so the only natural way the franchise was going was to get a more rugged, masculine actor as Bond, and I am very happy they chose Craig, not Sam Worthington or another scary thought like that.
  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    Die another day actually has some great scenes among the sewage. It's like wading through the litterbox and finding a few diamonds
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    As RM did, Brosnan brought his established television character persona with him and called him Bond. Simon Bond and Remington Bond never quite felt like the real deal.
    Of the two, PB is the better actor. His is the better Bond. But he wasn't a Bond I wanted to spend much time with. So I was glad when his tenure came to an end. However, I like PB films. I cannot think of anything outside of Bond that I dislike. For me, it just wasn't a good fit.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    but for me Brosnan was the peak of Bond as a extremely handsome, suave, sophisticated british spy. And I love him for that. No one could ever beat Brosnan in that department.

    Agree that in that dept. he was top notch. I actually preferred Moore marginally (particularly in TMWTGG when he really looked his best imo) but I can't complain with the way Brozz looked as Bond. Not one bit actually.

    I was happy with GE & TND. TWINE is the absolute pits for me (my lowest ranked Bond by far) so that affected my overall impression of him and his tenure negatively. DAD is DAD (although I thought he was much better in DAD than in TWINE - I actually think it was his most assured performance as Bond, particularly in the earlier parts before the Ice Palace - he really seemed to be having a blast and coming into his own).

  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I actually think it was his most assured performance as Bond, particularly in the earlier parts before the Ice Palace - he really seemed to be having a blast and coming into his own).
    His performance in DAD is what keeps me coming back to it.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I actually think it was his most assured performance as Bond, particularly in the earlier parts before the Ice Palace - he really seemed to be having a blast and coming into his own).
    His performance in DAD is what keeps me coming back to it.

    I watched it recently. The movie has many flaws, as we all know, although it's quite entertaining despite this. I thought Brozz was very good in it, especially in the earlier half. I liked his portrayal here the best as it was more arrogant and less sentimental. More confident and assured - like when he told Pike's Frost 'put your back into it'. Only in some of his later scenes with Berry did his trademark sentimentality spoil it a little for me, but thankfully these scenes were few and far between. So I have no complaints with him in this one. It was a very good performance imo.
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    Goldeneye was the first bond film I saw, (many years it was released). It got me into bond.
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