Is Pierce Brosnan really all that bad ??

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  • edited August 2013 Posts: 6,396
    Ludovico wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    Maybe it was a way to compensate his lack of menace.

    I think it's more down to the fact that it was the 90s.

    Dalton did not use a machine gun as far as I remember and he was in the 80s.

    He did briefly at the Afghan Air Base. Either an AK-47 or Kalashnikov I think.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Again @doubleoego, a fantastic post! [/b]


    Thanks, mate.

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    Ludovico wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    Maybe it was a way to compensate his lack of menace.

    I think it's more down to the fact that it was the 90s.

    Dalton did not use a machine gun as far as I remember and he was in the 80s.

    He did briefly at the Afghan Air Base. Either an AK-47 or Kalashnikov I think.

    I need to watch it again. In any case he did not use it extensively as Brosnan.
  • RC7RC7
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    What are we getting at here, with the machine gun angle?
  • RC7RC7
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    What are we getting at here, with the machine gun angle?
  • Only that Brosnan used one extensively, hence the reason he won some "deadliest Bond" poll or something for kills. Craig has also used one fairly extensively in CR and QOS, the Walther more in SF except for the final battle. It appears that some people love tons of flying bullets in action films.
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    I don't think Craig used it all that much in CR or QOS. Brosnan in TND looked ready to clean the ship from aliens at some point.
  • Ludovico wrote:
    I don't think Craig used it all that much in CR or QOS. Brosnan in TND looked ready to clean the ship from aliens at some point.

    Certainly not to the extent that Brosnan or films like the "Die Hard" series have done so, agreed, but it's probably there more than it was in other eras. More so in QOS between the car and boat chases, which short of the flash cutting could have been fit into a Brosnan entry.

  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I don't remember Craig using a machine gun in CR at all other than shooting Mr.White in the leg.

    In QoS I only remember him using it at the end of the PTS but in SF he definitely uses it once he gets to SF Manor.
  • doubleoego wrote:
    I don't remember Craig using a machine gun in CR at all other than shooting Mr.White in the leg.

    In QoS I only remember him using it at the end of the PTS but in SF he definitely uses it once he gets to SF Manor.

    I'm almost certain he uses one in the Nambutu embassy fight.

  • edited August 2013 Posts: 12,837
    I'm think at the embassy he only uses his p99 (and he barely uses that).

    The only time I thought the use of machine guns was OTT was in TND. Besides, it makes sense for Bond to use the best weapon at his disposal.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    doubleoego wrote:
    I don't remember Craig using a machine gun in CR at all other than shooting Mr.White in the leg.

    In QoS I only remember him using it at the end of the PTS but in SF he definitely uses it once he gets to SF Manor.

    I'm almost certain he uses one in the Nambutu embassy fight.

    Nah, Bond has the walther P99 as @thelivingroyale mentioned.
  • I'll have to look at that scene again then. It's been awhile, I remember the guards using them plenty.
  • RC7RC7
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    Maybe Gustav can set-up a 'Who used a rapid-fire weapon better?' poll.
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    doubleoego wrote:
    doubleoego wrote:
    I don't remember Craig using a machine gun in CR at all other than shooting Mr.White in the leg.

    In QoS I only remember him using it at the end of the PTS but in SF he definitely uses it once he gets to SF Manor.

    I'm almost certain he uses one in the Nambutu embassy fight.

    Nah, Bond has the walther P99 as @thelivingroyale mentioned.

    Actually Bond mainly uses the Attachés FN High Power,which was only Fitting,since it's still the most used Military Pistol on the Planet (although the Glock might be catching up fast).
    Only when shooting at the Gas cartouche, he uses the P99.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I also think that his comment about not "nailing it" has been fairly used in criticisms of his overall performance. If he didn't think so, I think it's fair for people to agree with him that he didn't.
    Sir Henry.... you know just where to hurrrrrt me.

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    doubleoego wrote:
    I don't remember Craig using a machine gun in CR at all other than shooting Mr.White in the leg.

    In QoS I only remember him using it at the end of the PTS but in SF he definitely uses it once he gets to SF Manor.

    And in the PTS of QOS he uses one from one of the henchmen, it is an impromptu use.
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    Ludovico wrote:
    doubleoego wrote:
    I don't remember Craig using a machine gun in CR at all other than shooting Mr.White in the leg.

    In QoS I only remember him using it at the end of the PTS but in SF he definitely uses it once he gets to SF Manor.

    And in the PTS of QOS he uses one from one of the henchmen, it is an impromptu use.

    Not really. He uses the same H&K UMP he had at the end of CR to bring Mr. White down.
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    Matt_Helm wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    doubleoego wrote:
    I don't remember Craig using a machine gun in CR at all other than shooting Mr.White in the leg.

    In QoS I only remember him using it at the end of the PTS but in SF he definitely uses it once he gets to SF Manor.

    And in the PTS of QOS he uses one from one of the henchmen, it is an impromptu use.

    Not really. He uses the same H&K UMP he had at the end of CR to bring Mr. White down.

    My mistake. I need to rewatch it.
  • He just didn't have the acting chops Dalton had, or Craig, or Connery, and also lacks the screen presence Moore had. He was strictly eye candy for the ladies in my opinion, that's it.
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    with all this machine gun talk, surely Rog sliding down the bannister firing a machin gun in OP is far cooler than all the extensive use in the Brozzer era!
  • sromgrom wrote:
    He just didn't have the acting chops Dalton had, or Craig, or Connery, and also lacks the screen presence Moore had. He was strictly eye candy for the ladies in my opinion, that's it.

    Brosnan had some good moments that shouldn't be overlooked, but I feel that's generally true and was a big part of his box office appeal. A good business decision by Cubby and why he was the right guy at that time after the long hiatus.
    with all this machine gun talk, surely Rog sliding down the bannister firing a machine gun in OP is far cooler than all the extensive use in the Brozzer era!

    I love that scene, as out of character as it was for Sir Rog.
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    sromgrom wrote:
    He just didn't have the acting chops Dalton had, or Craig, or Connery, and also lacks the screen presence Moore had. He was strictly eye candy for the ladies in my opinion, that's it.

    Brosnan had some good moments that shouldn't be overlooked, but I feel that's generally true and was a big part of his box office appeal. A good business decision by Cubby and why he was the right guy at that time after the long hiatus.
    with all this machine gun talk, surely Rog sliding down the bannister firing a machine gun in OP is far cooler than all the extensive use in the Brozzer era!

    I love that scene, as out of character as it was for Sir Rog.

    And the gag when he notices the end of the bannister and shoots it off was a nice touch.
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    sromgrom wrote:
    He just didn't have the acting chops Dalton had, or Craig, or Connery, and also lacks the screen presence Moore had. He was strictly eye candy for the ladies in my opinion, that's it.

    Brosnan had some good moments that shouldn't be overlooked, but I feel that's generally true and was a big part of his box office appeal. A good business decision by Cubby and why he was the right guy at that time after the long hiatus.

    I think maybe the whole malaise about the Brosnan casting was that it failed to be anything else than this: a good business decision. And the problem with business decisions is that they can often be easily changed when necessary. Brosnan wanted to play this iconic role, he failed to make it iconic himself, then they told him: "Sorry, we changed our business plan".
  • edited August 2013 Posts: 78
    Where as the only thing in the Bond Reboot that wasn't a clinical business decision, was the casting of Craig. He is a one man blitzcraig, in a pool of grey nonsense, safety and little or no creativity.

    Brosnan as such? Well, Who needs the acting chops with a square jaw like that? :-\"
  • Posts: 135
    Mr. Brosnan is of excellence- upon this may we all agree.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    No, he's not all that bad. Actually, I kinda have him to thank for making me such a big James Bond fan, after seeing Goldeneye in the theaters in 1995. Changed everything. I liked him second only to Connery then. But for one reason or another, my opinion of Brosnan in recent years as Bond has gone down. And I think part of that is because I finally saw Lazenby do his thing, got to see more of Dalton and see the arrival of who I think really is the 2nd best Bond actor: Daniel Craig. All this plus the overwhelming awfulness of Die Another Day made Brosnan's rating with me go way down. Oh well, I still like him more than Roger Moore.
  • 1. Good-looking
    2. Good with gun
    3. Gets all the lady's\:D/
    He hasn't had me yet... I've left more than 1 message on his machine ;) if you know what i mean
  • He broke it my virginity to Bond !. ;;)
  • Posts: 533
    No, Brosnan wasn't bad at all. He made a great Bond.
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