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  • edited February 2019 Posts: 4,400
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Yea I absolutely hate the idea. Chills ran up my spine when I read it. If true it would far surpass my expectations of the worst eon could possibly do for a bond film. Like this is an unimaginably bad idea. There is zero chance that this could be anything but terrible. Also, if waltz is in the film I will expect it to be bad. Also, to respond to @Denbigh, I’m a fan of the bond series, I’m not a fan of spectre. I’ll be going into bond 25 with the mindset that spectre was bad, and that this film should distance itself from it.

    @Ottofuse8 This is beyond reactionary. You haven't seen the film yet! It might work really well. We will all have to wait and see.
    I think it could be a really cool idea. Perhaps, Bond and the girl end up killing a random henchman. However, after killing the man they discover a child has been in the house.

    Not only has the child seen Bond kill her father but she's grown up around violence. Perhaps the Bond girl decides that they have to take the child, but Bond is reluctant. He'd probably despise having this child around mainly as it's an ugly reminder that he murdered her father.

    Slowly, a connection develops between the two and Bond begins to care deeply for the child as he sees aspects of himself in her. The isolation, the loneliness. in due course, he become a very reluctant surrogate father.

    Maybe Bond, Madeline and the child make an uncomfortable family unit....

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  • Ludovico wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    On paper spectre was the best bond film. The problem was it didn't translate to the final film. The problem wasn't the plot the action was just too boring and orchestrated

    Nope, the problem is that they cut out all the good ideas from the script.

    Then again making Blofeld a woman or an African warlord were terrible ideas which I'm glad they left out. Not that I like the stepbrother angle mind you.

    Agreed about Blofeld being a woman, but Blofeld being an african warlord didn't sound bad at all to me.

    That's even further away from Fleming than what SP gave us. And Blofeld does not exactly sound African. You might as well make Blofeld a codename at this point.

    In that version, Blofeld was a code name. The African warlord had a separate name.
  • Mallory wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Yes have to say the idea doesn't necessarily seem a bad one. Does suggest we are not going to get a conventional mission movie.

    They're doubling down on SP quite clearly.

    SP shouldve been part one of a two part movie narrative from the beginning.

    That's what Logan was hired to do originally.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,053
    Mallory wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    Yes have to say the idea doesn't necessarily seem a bad one. Does suggest we are not going to get a conventional mission movie.

    They're doubling down on SP quite clearly.

    SP shouldve been part one of a two part movie narrative from the beginning.

    That's what Logan was hired to do originally.

    Missed opportunity. Hopefully, it can still be done in the future.
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
    edited February 2019 Posts: 564
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Yea I absolutely hate the idea. Chills ran up my spine when I read it. If true it would far surpass my expectations of the worst eon could possibly do for a bond film. Like this is an unimaginably bad idea. There is zero chance that this could be anything but terrible. Also, if waltz is in the film I will expect it to be bad. Also, to respond to @Denbigh, I’m a fan of the bond series, I’m not a fan of spectre. I’ll be going into bond 25 with the mindset that spectre was bad, and that this film should distance itself from it.

    @Ottofuse8 This is beyond reactionary. You haven't seen the film yet! It might work really well. We will all have to wait and see.
    I think it could be a really cool idea. Perhaps, Bond and the girl end up killing a random henchman. However, after killing the man they discover a child has been in the house.

    Not only has the child seen Bond kill her father but she's grown up around violence. Perhaps the Bond girl decides that they have to take the child, but Bond is reluctant. He'd probably despise having this child around mainly as it's an ugly reminder that he murdered her father.

    Slowly, a connection develops between the two and Bond begins to care deeply for the child as he sees aspects of himself in her. The isolation, the loneliness. in due course, he become a very reluctant surrogate father.

    Maybe Bond, Madeline and the child make an uncomfortable family unit....

    _105756038_mediaitem105756037.jpg

    This could be an option. I am looking forward to more news and theories from the members of the forum. This is my favourite part, when we all draw our own conclusions based on the same information. I think it highlights just how many options the writers and EON have in making a Bond film.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited February 2019 Posts: 5,834
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Yea I absolutely hate the idea. Chills ran up my spine when I read it. If true it would far surpass my expectations of the worst eon could possibly do for a bond film. Like this is an unimaginably bad idea. There is zero chance that this could be anything but terrible. Also, if waltz is in the film I will expect it to be bad. Also, to respond to @Denbigh, I’m a fan of the bond series, I’m not a fan of spectre. I’ll be going into bond 25 with the mindset that spectre was bad, and that this film should distance itself from it.

    @Ottofuse8 This is beyond reactionary. You haven't seen the film yet! It might work really well. We will all have to wait and see.

    I think it could be a really cool idea. Perhaps, Bond and the girl end up killing a random henchman. However, after killing the man they discover a child has been in the house.

    Not only has the child seen Bond kill her father but she's grown up around violence. Perhaps the Bond girl decides that they have to take the child, but Bond is reluctant. He'd probably despise having this child around mainly as it's an ugly reminder that he murdered her father.

    Slowly, a connection develops between the two and Bond begins to care deeply for the child as he sees aspects of himself in her. The isolation, the loneliness. in due course, he become a very reluctant surrogate father.

    Maybe Bond, Madeline and the child make an uncomfortable family unit....

    _105756038_mediaitem105756037.jpg

    Very interesting idea @Pierce2Daniel, and a concept I'd be interested in seeing on screen in some shape or form, but for me personally, it doesn't feel like a James Bond film. Of course, we should appreciate each addition to the franchise as it's own thing, but this just seems to far from what James Bond is. I'll be honest it sounds more like something Hollywood would give to Liam Neeson... obviously not now but you get where I'm coming from.

    But at the end of the day, I could be wrong. I've been proven wrong before, and I'll wait to pass my judgement on this idea of a 'child' in Bond 25 when I've seen the film. I could very well eat my words, but I've just been waiting so long for a return-to-form 007. While I understand that having Madeleine Swann return gives us the impression that those personal stakes from Spectre are to be carried over, but I just think there's ways you can bring her back and still have a classic 007 mission.

    To me, bringing a child into the equation just throws my expectations of that completely out the window, but again, I could be serving my own words for dinner on April 8, 2020. Still an interesting idea though, maybe you should write this version yourself, I'd be happy to read it.
  • Posts: 14,800
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    On paper spectre was the best bond film. The problem was it didn't translate to the final film. The problem wasn't the plot the action was just too boring and orchestrated

    Nope, the problem is that they cut out all the good ideas from the script.

    Then again making Blofeld a woman or an African warlord were terrible ideas which I'm glad they left out. Not that I like the stepbrother angle mind you.

    Agreed about Blofeld being a woman, but Blofeld being an african warlord didn't sound bad at all to me.

    That's even further away from Fleming than what SP gave us. And Blofeld does not exactly sound African. You might as well make Blofeld a codename at this point.

    In that version, Blofeld was a code name. The African warlord had a separate name.

    This is indeed very bad. Mathis a codename was bad enough. Blofeld as a codename is one step above Bond as a codename.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited February 2019 Posts: 4,548
    Denbigh wrote: »
    By the way, if people wanna see more concept art from Spectre, or even some behind the scenes pictures, there are loads just below. It's where I found the dinner/poker concept art from the earlier draft...

    https://imgur.com/a/2fupc/layout/grid

    Thank you. I have not seen any of that art. Some things stood out immediately:

    1. Plans for the PTS to be set at night. That would have been bad@ass.
    2. One of the ideas for the boat chase was through underground sewers? This would have worked better than what we got.
    3. What is with the house at the bottom of that cavern? What is the cavern?
    4. The large screens, showing Spectre activity was quite cool. Missed opportunity there. Also, the concept art did a better job of illustrating what the "observatory" was used for.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    Denbigh wrote: »
    By the way, if people wanna see more concept art from Spectre, or even some behind the scenes pictures, there are loads just below. It's where I found the dinner/poker concept art from the earlier draft...

    https://imgur.com/a/2fupc/layout/grid

    yeah great stuff really cool art
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    TripAces wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    By the way, if people wanna see more concept art from Spectre, or even some behind the scenes pictures, there are loads just below. It's where I found the dinner/poker concept art from the earlier draft...

    https://imgur.com/a/2fupc/layout/grid

    Thank you. I have not seen any of that art. Some things stood out immediately:

    1. Plans for the PTS to be set at night. That would have been bad@ass.
    2. One of the ideas for the boat chase was through underground sewers? This would have worked better than what we got.
    3. What is with the house at the bottom of that cavern? What is the cavern?
    4. The large screens, showing Spectre activity was quite cool. Missed opportunity there. Also, the concept art did a better job of illustrating what the "observatory" was used for.

    Spectre had so much potential but it was handled poorly
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    Very exciting developments. I like the idea where this is going. I'm all for giving SP a better name, if the events in SP shape a film that's to be monumentally better.
  • dominicgreenedominicgreene The Eternal QOS Defender
    Posts: 1,756
    I'm curious how everyone will feel on the last day of shooting Bond 25. Will there be a sense of "This is the last time Dan will be Bond"? Maybe that's how they felt in SP, but it feels even more certain on this film.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited February 2019 Posts: 5,921
    I don't love the idea of a child. Fleming was smart enough to give Bond a child but not let him know about it. And having a child floating out there, indefinitely, could actually be worse than Brothergate.

    But I'm keeping an open mind. Maybe they're doing a reverse YOLT: Bond sees his wife and child killed (dark!), then he rightly loses his mind and the rest of the film is his revenge on Blofeld.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    edited February 2019 Posts: 3,000
    Regarding the possible plot information;
    If it’s a flashback to Swann as a child. It seems unnecessary but I guess I’m okay with it. It could be a sign of more lame melodrama to come though.

    If it’s present day, the question arises of the child’s significance to the plot, and their possible continued involvement. A child in Bond’s world could feel very out of place, but if Bond is tasked with protecting the child it might be interesting. While I’m not a fan of brutal revenge stories, brutality in the defense of life, especially the life of a child, is something I could possibly get behind. Bond fiercely defending the child from attackers might be an interesting plot point.

    Still all sounds like more melodrama though.
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    He will break down, collapse on his knees and cry like no man has cried since he laid eyes on a loaf of bread.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    I'm curious how everyone will feel on the last day of shooting Bond 25. Will there be a sense of "This is the last time Dan will be Bond"? Maybe that's how they felt in SP, but it feels even more certain on this film.

    the amount of time they are taking it is clear this is his finale
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    hopefully bond 25 has a night pts we haven't had that in so long and very rarely
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
    Posts: 467
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Exactly. I'd prefer if they can't find anything left in Fleming to start adapting the continuation novels. Honestly I'd enjoy the weakest Gardner plot over what became of SP, and the direction the Craig era has taken.

    Danjaq (Eon's holding company) doesn't own the adaptation rights to the continuations. The full rights belong to the estate of Ian Fleming. The deal between Danjaq and Ian Fleming only applies to the material written by Fleming.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited February 2019 Posts: 3,126
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Exactly. I'd prefer if they can't find anything left in Fleming to start adapting the continuation novels. Honestly I'd enjoy the weakest Gardner plot over what became of SP, and the direction the Craig era has taken.

    Danjaq (Eon's holding company) doesn't own the adaptation rights to the continuations. The full rights belong to the estate of Ian Fleming. The deal between Danjaq and Ian Fleming only applies to the material written by Fleming.

    @HildebrandRarity not to argue with your statement but just to ask a curious question how they have rights to get colonal sun in Spectre then they must have some rights for that do be included in the torture scene with a film credit?
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    Posts: 4,548
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    By the way, if people wanna see more concept art from Spectre, or even some behind the scenes pictures, there are loads just below. It's where I found the dinner/poker concept art from the earlier draft...

    https://imgur.com/a/2fupc/layout/grid

    Thank you. I have not seen any of that art. Some things stood out immediately:

    1. Plans for the PTS to be set at night. That would have been bad@ass.
    2. One of the ideas for the boat chase was through underground sewers? This would have worked better than what we got.
    3. What is with the house at the bottom of that cavern? What is the cavern?
    4. The large screens, showing Spectre activity was quite cool. Missed opportunity there. Also, the concept art did a better job of illustrating what the "observatory" was used for.

    Spectre had so much potential but it was handled poorly

    I wonder how much of it came down to cost.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    TripAces wrote: »
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    By the way, if people wanna see more concept art from Spectre, or even some behind the scenes pictures, there are loads just below. It's where I found the dinner/poker concept art from the earlier draft...

    https://imgur.com/a/2fupc/layout/grid

    Thank you. I have not seen any of that art. Some things stood out immediately:

    1. Plans for the PTS to be set at night. That would have been bad@ass.
    2. One of the ideas for the boat chase was through underground sewers? This would have worked better than what we got.
    3. What is with the house at the bottom of that cavern? What is the cavern?
    4. The large screens, showing Spectre activity was quite cool. Missed opportunity there. Also, the concept art did a better job of illustrating what the "observatory" was used for.

    Spectre had so much potential but it was handled poorly

    I wonder how much of it came down to cost.

    @TripAces probably a lot it was already getting up there in production cost but they could have worked around the costs
  • EmilioEmilio Palmyra, Nassau
    Posts: 175
    the flashback sequence could simply be a recall of the times Bond spent with the Oberhausers, just to reinforce the relation in between Bond and Blofeld. B25 will conclude the story started with CR, of which we know about after Blofeld appearance in SP... So in one way or another it seams appropriate to have Blofeld in B25 to conclude it.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 5,921
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Exactly. I'd prefer if they can't find anything left in Fleming to start adapting the continuation novels. Honestly I'd enjoy the weakest Gardner plot over what became of SP, and the direction the Craig era has taken.

    Danjaq (Eon's holding company) doesn't own the adaptation rights to the continuations. The full rights belong to the estate of Ian Fleming. The deal between Danjaq and Ian Fleming only applies to the material written by Fleming.

    @HildebrandRarity not to argue with your statement but just to ask a curious question how they have rights to get colonal sun in Spectre then they must have some rights for that do be included in the torture scene with a film credit?

    It's an interesting question. I'm sure MGW is smart enough to have bought up all the film rights to the continuation novels, and that Eon has the sole right to the James Bond character in films, TV, etc. Otherwise, they could easily have a competition like OP/NSNA again. (There are enough former Bonds now to launch a competing film, and the fact that we haven't seen one speaks volumes.)
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    If this is true they are hitting dodgy territory and better proceed with caution.
  • HildebrandRarityHildebrandRarity Centre international d'assistance aux personnes déplacées, Paris, France
    edited February 2019 Posts: 467
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    @HildebrandRarity not to argue with your statement but just to ask a curious question how they have rights to get colonal sun in Spectre then they must have some rights for that do be included in the torture scene with a film credit?

    Yeah, there must be some kind of mutual understanding for both parties to allow for mutual inspiration. Plots from both the continuation books and the films based on an original script will always share some DNA, and it would be difficult for them not to have similarities. So, the Fleming estate and Eon may not sue each other unless it's blatant plagiary from one side.

    I haven't read Colonel Sun, and I wasn't aware that so many plot elements from it had been used on TWINE and Spectre. That said, Wikipedia explains that the Fleming estate asked for royalties on DAD if the production was to name the villain Colonel Sun Liang-tan, as originally planned.
    Colonel Sun may also be under a separate deal, given that it was a one-off continuation long before the Fleming estate decided to resume the book series for good. It looks like that they're allowed to reuse plot elements without any major issue, that dialogue requires a courtesy credit for Amis, but that the characters introduced in CS belong to the Fleming estate and require rights clearance.
    echo wrote: »
    It's an interesting question. I'm sure MGW is smart enough to have bought up all the film rights to the continuation novels, and that Eon has the sole right to the James Bond character in films, TV, etc. Otherwise, they could easily have a competition like OP/NSNA again. (There are enough former Bonds now to launch a competing film, and the fact that we haven't seen one speaks volumes.)

    Danjaq/EON doesn't own the film rights to these novels, but the Fleming estate must be forbidden to sell them to another party. You see, that's the very kind of issues that wasn't really explored at the time CS was published ("Okay, we'll just write some contract amendment for this book"), but that became heavily formalized and regulated by lawyers in the eighties when new novels started to be published on a more regular base. Danjaq and the estate may strike a deal if they wanted to adapt one specific novel, but there's not an all-encompassing deal. And it's most likely for the better. Any writer commissioned to work on a Bond continuation will only have to work with the literary Bond rather than making a pitch for a new film.
  • Posts: 3,161
    Walecs wrote: »
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    On paper spectre was the best bond film. The problem was it didn't translate to the final film. The problem wasn't the plot the action was just too boring and orchestrated

    Nope, the problem is that they cut out all the good ideas from the script.

    No, they didn't. I read both, and the final script was almost on point. (I liked the idea of both Bond and Q being captured in the lair, though)
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited February 2019 Posts: 3,126
    here is google translate version caution potential spoiler below New tracks in the Bond case: New James Bond movie is recorded in Nittedal
    NEW BOND FILM: At Langvann in Nordmarka, on the border between Oslo and Nittedal, a house is being built that will probably be used in the recording of a James Bond movie.

    NEW BOND FILM: At Langvann in Nordmarka, on the border between Oslo and Nittedal, a house is being built that will probably be used in the recording of a James Bond movie. Photo: Håkon Mosvold Larsen (NTB scanpix)

    Cottage owners in Romerike have received a letter stating that filming will take place in the area in March / April.
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    Romerikes Blad has gained access to documents showing an application the production company Truenorth Norway has sent to the Labor Inspection Authority on behalf of B25 Limited. The documents confirm that parts of the 25th James Bond movie will be recorded at Romerike.

    Nettavisen has previously mentioned the rumors that the new Bond movie will record some scenes in Nittedal. So it looks like this actually happens.

    The admission will take place from 25 to 31 March 2019, writes Per Henry Borch, line producer at Truenorth Norway AS in the application, according to RB.
    Describes scenes at Langvann

    The online newspaper knows that cabin owners in the area have been notified that the road to the film camp at Langvann will be closed a week in March, possibly in March / April.

    The documents also include one of the movie scenes to be recorded, and it has been named "girl running on snow and iced water", according to RB. How to describe the scene:

    «A child shoots an intruder. She is chased by a 2nd intruder and runs onto a frozen lake.

    The fact that the film recording will take place at Langvann in Nittedal, RB believes has revealed that the documents sent to the Norwegian Labor Inspection Authority show an attached map section that is identical to a satellite image of the area at Langvann.
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    In the applications RB has been granted access, the name B25 Limited goes back several times in the document. The James Bond 007 logo also appears on several of the pages.

    - I do not know that application. This I have to investigate with those in the office and come back to you, says Per Henry Borch to Romerikes Blad on Monday night, despite the fact that the application concludes with "mr.
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  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    @HildebrandRarity not to argue with your statement but just to ask a curious question how they have rights to get colonal sun in Spectre then they must have some rights for that do be included in the torture scene with a film credit?

    Yeah, there must be some kind of mutual understanding for both parties to allow for mutual inspiration. Plots from both the continuation books and the films based on an original script will always share some DNA, and it would be difficult for them not to have similarities. So, the Fleming estate and Eon may not sue each other unless it's blatant plagiary from one side.

    I haven't read Colonel Sun, and I wasn't aware that so many plot elements from it had been used on TWINE and Spectre. That said, Wikipedia explains that the Fleming estate asked for royalties on DAD if the production was to name the villain Colonel Sun Liang-tan, as originally planned.
    Colonel Sun may also be under a separate deal, given that it was a one-off continuation long before the Fleming estate decided to resume the book series for good. It looks like that they're allowed to reuse plot elements without any major issue, that dialogue requires a courtesy credit for Amis, but that the characters introduced in CS belong to the Fleming estate and require rights clearance.

    ok very interesting
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,459
    OK, trying to see what is real or not here is rather like a fun (or not so fun) house of mirrors/spoilers. So the Norwegian article is real ... all else is our speculation on it?

    If we get a flashback in Bond 25, I would not be surprised. I already expected a little of that perhaps. This will connect to Spectre, I felt sure of that awhile ago when Lea was confirmed. But it can be connected if so many different ways, and if flashbacks could be brief or more substantial. I expect Bond 25 to go into Bond's psyche and personal life picking up from Spectre. But ... that could be 5 years after, two hours after, so many different angles.

    What I want is a compelling, sound (realistic as to what this Bond would be a part of) exciting and rather plausible story. I am not diminished in my excitement to see what Cary can put on the screen visually. If
    there is a child in the story, be it PTS or otherwise
    then I still feel that could be portrayed in several ways, including perhaps something we have not yet thought of.

    It's tricky to know when to back off of this thread. I was relatively unspoiled when I saw Skyfall and Spectre in the theatre. And I so appreciated that - it was fresh, exciting as it unrolled on the screen. I want that again. But I'm not leaving here yet. SPOILER TAGS are appreciated. Just hard to discern original source or actual or very likely true news when I come here and find so many pages to catch up on.

    Exciting, though, isn't it? It's getting nearer and so real!
  • leas_moleleas_mole love is the promise of suffering
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    With regards to the recent spoiler...
    I am just wondering if EON would ever use another/external casting company?
    The reason being these tweets from January which I thought would have been one of Lea's future non-Bond projects..... but I am not so sure now!






    Rough Google translation - not sure if they mean't Lea's daughter or a young Lea?

    For the filming of a feature film with Léa Seydoux, casting director is looking for the following profile:

    - a 12-year-old girl (age 10 to 14), blonde with blue eyes.

    It will be to interpret Léa Seydoux child. Physical resemblance is very important. Your daughter must be athletic, with character and confidence. The child will have to know how to swim and be comfortable in the water. Important role.

    It is not necessary to have experience to apply. The casting will take place in Paris in January.

    Please apply by sending the following:
    - recent color photos
    - surname, first name, date of birth, size, class
    - full contact details of the parents

    Mention "Lea Seydoux child"
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