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  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 15,851
    Getafix wrote: »
    I want a beautifully filmed slow start that builds atmosphere and tension. Perhaps half an hour at least without a shot fired.

    I want a shot fired right at the beginning to the Bond theme.
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,677
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    I want a beautifully filmed slow start that builds atmosphere and tension. Perhaps half an hour at least without a shot fired.

    I want a shot fired right at the beginning to the Bond theme.

    This. Absolutely! And done properly this time, please. Someone use a digital cam inside a gun barrel and do something wicked, please! What? There are no more craftsmen in the film business anymore? Just do it ;)
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited November 2018 Posts: 4,460
    I think it is earlier the other way around and we get more deprest and violence Bond.

    I am afraid that mabey even me not be pepraid enough. I read something about Fantastic Beast 2 and it made me very curious. The 3th movie should have more fantasy and fun i read and that's what i read about QOS. Lies. Visuels and Music Harry Potter 3 wins, but Chamber of Secrets is my favorite Harry Potter movie.

    Eliot Carver, Dominic Green, Oberhouser, Voldemort and if true Johnny Depp chacter Grindlewald. Almoost all the same. Great to read the new directer is fan of AVTAK.
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
    Posts: 15,851
    Univex wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    I want a beautifully filmed slow start that builds atmosphere and tension. Perhaps half an hour at least without a shot fired.

    I want a shot fired right at the beginning to the Bond theme.

    This. Absolutely! And done properly this time, please. Someone use a digital cam inside a gun barrel and do something wicked, please! What? There are no more craftsmen in the film business anymore? Just do it ;)

    Although I don't mind mixing it up occasionally as far as the music goes, I feel the last time it was truly done right was when John Barry was scoring.
    I like the idea of a digital camera inside a gun barrel. Get that Binder look!
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,677
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    I want a beautifully filmed slow start that builds atmosphere and tension. Perhaps half an hour at least without a shot fired.

    I want a shot fired right at the beginning to the Bond theme.

    This. Absolutely! And done properly this time, please. Someone use a digital cam inside a gun barrel and do something wicked, please! What? There are no more craftsmen in the film business anymore? Just do it ;)

    Although I don't mind mixing it up occasionally as far as the music goes, I feel the last time it was truly done right was when John Barry was scoring.
    I like the idea of a digital camera inside a gun barrel. Get that Binder look!

    Exactly!
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,002
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    I want a beautifully filmed slow start that builds atmosphere and tension. Perhaps half an hour at least without a shot fired.

    I want a shot fired right at the beginning to the Bond theme.

    I want the MGM logo with a shot, a pithy quote with another shot and then the gunbarrel with yet another shot and then a shot with every word of the title. Also, if they could replay Connery's line "Shoot 'em!" from DAF with each shot I think that would be a nice homage to the past.
  • ringfire211ringfire211
    Posts: 647
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    You heard it here first..

    Mind control.. I think we all remember the plot of 007 being mind controlled to kill M. That would be interesting and right but CJF’s alley.

    That would be TMWTGG book opening finally used which would have been grand in Skyfall after being killed.

    Could work now as well. Even more so. Better than that is M assigning Bond with an impossible solo suicide mission, say in Japan, in order to prove himself valid again. Get him swimming with barracudas, crossing the garden of death and all. What a film that would be, eh?
    The "prove himself valid again" part makes me want to throw up, but the rest sounds great. Everybody and their mother wants to see James Bond. He doesn´t f***ng Need to prove himself valid. A Bond film shouldn´t make me think on sins, but on golden days.
    Well said. Bond has had to prove himself in every film since DAD. Maybe even since TWINE since he was benched due to his injury. Enough of this!

  • ringfire211ringfire211
    Posts: 647
    Univex wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    I want a beautifully filmed slow start that builds atmosphere and tension. Perhaps half an hour at least without a shot fired.

    I want a shot fired right at the beginning to the Bond theme.

    This. Absolutely! And done properly this time, please. Someone use a digital cam inside a gun barrel and do something wicked, please! What? There are no more craftsmen in the film business anymore? Just do it ;)
    Nope, since Maurice Binder’s death :(

  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
    Posts: 2,497
    Reed Morano: Production break on 'The Rhythm Section' was a 'blessing in disguise' for Blake Lively thriller
    https://yahoo.com/entertainment/reed-morano-production-break-rhythm-section-blessing-disguise-blake-lively-thriller-173513417.html

    Interesting read for those wondering what went down on 'The Rhythm Section', and Morano's directing style.

    The release date is still listed as February, 2019.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    Posts: 4,152
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    You heard it here first..

    Mind control.. I think we all remember the plot of 007 being mind controlled to kill M. That would be interesting and right but CJF’s alley.

    That would be TMWTGG book opening finally used which would have been grand in Skyfall after being killed.

    Could work now as well. Even more so. Better than that is M assigning Bond with an impossible solo suicide mission, say in Japan, in order to prove himself valid again. Get him swimming with barracudas, crossing the garden of death and all. What a film that would be, eh?
    The "prove himself valid again" part makes me want to throw up, but the rest sounds great. Everybody and their mother wants to see James Bond. He doesn´t f***ng Need to prove himself valid. A Bond film shouldn´t make me think on sins, but on golden days.
    Well said. Bond has had to prove himself in every film since DAD. Maybe even since TWINE since he was benched due to his injury. Enough of this!

    Yeah, Purvis and Wade!
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    edited November 2018 Posts: 5,767
    Univex wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    You heard it here first..

    Mind control.. I think we all remember the plot of 007 being mind controlled to kill M. That would be interesting and right but CJF’s alley.

    That would be TMWTGG book opening finally used which would have been grand in Skyfall after being killed.

    Could work now as well. Even more so. Better than that is M assigning Bond with an impossible solo suicide mission, say in Japan, in order to prove himself valid again. Get him swimming with barracudas, crossing the garden of death and all. What a film that would be, eh?
    The "prove himself valid again" part makes me want to throw up, but the rest sounds great. Everybody and their mother wants to see James Bond. He doesn´t f***ng Need to prove himself valid. A Bond film shouldn´t make me think on sins, but on golden days.
    +1

    Valid in the sense that he isn't brainwashed anymore, not like SF valid. I too don't like the "Bond having to prove himself" angle that's been (ab)used in the last films.

    In fact, M sends him to that suicide mission because he knows he's actually the only one who can do it.

    There, fix it for ya. Cheers.
    Donk, approved! ;-)



    MaxCasino wrote: »
    ringfire211 wrote: »
    boldfinger wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    CASINOROYALE wrote: »
    You heard it here first..

    Mind control.. I think we all remember the plot of 007 being mind controlled to kill M. That would be interesting and right but CJF’s alley.

    That would be TMWTGG book opening finally used which would have been grand in Skyfall after being killed.

    Could work now as well. Even more so. Better than that is M assigning Bond with an impossible solo suicide mission, say in Japan, in order to prove himself valid again. Get him swimming with barracudas, crossing the garden of death and all. What a film that would be, eh?
    The "prove himself valid again" part makes me want to throw up, but the rest sounds great. Everybody and their mother wants to see James Bond. He doesn´t f***ng Need to prove himself valid. A Bond film shouldn´t make me think on sins, but on golden days.
    Well said. Bond has had to prove himself in every film since DAD. Maybe even since TWINE since he was benched due to his injury. Enough of this!

    Yeah, Purvis and Wade!
    Who only write what they are told.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
    Posts: 1,680
    This is likely going to be the smallest Bond film of the Craig era, You can tell already. If they were going for something bigger than Spectre we would likely have an action oriented director i think. Fukunaga said the character needs to develop over the span of the film. a guess on the story , perhaps Theres going to be a death of a key character, Oberhauser brings Bond close to death, Craig might evoke his earlier brutal killer self, become depressed, etc. Not sure what other direction there is to go.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,002
    Not sure about that, at all. Mendes was not an action-oriented director and he made SP as big as they come.

    I appreciate the secrecy that has enveloped the film so far under Fukunaga's tenure.
  • ringfire211ringfire211
    Posts: 647
    I bet they’re looking hard to cast an experienced double-taking pigeon. Those aren’t as easy to come by anymore as they were in Lewis Gilbert’s days :(

    Cary has his work cut out for him.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited November 2018 Posts: 11,425
    echo wrote: »
    Not sure about that, at all. Mendes was not an action-oriented director and he made SP as big as they come.

    I appreciate the secrecy that has enveloped the film so far under Fukunaga's tenure.

    Exactly. Mendes was a totally leftfield choice for Bond. And as you say had no action credentials - which frankly showed.

    Cary is not being brought on board to direct a small movie - plus he has shown he can direct very good action. Genuine action that is not just explosions and car crashes but actually contributes to the narrative and character development.

    F. Scott Fitzgerald once said "action is character" and the early Bond films really took that to heart. We need to go back to that approach where the action is not just bolted on for the sake of a tedious set piece explosion, but is integral to the plot and telling us who Bond is.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    Posts: 6,844
    Getafix wrote: »
    F. Scott Fitzgerald once said "action is character" and the early Bond films really took that to heart. We need to go back to that approach where the action is not just bolted on for the sake of a tedious set piece explosion, but is integral to the plot and telling us who Bond is.

    Like the helicopter fight in FRWL? Or the boat chase in FRWL? Or the car chase in GF? Or the helicopter fight in YOLT? Or the car chase in OHMSS?

    Gratuitous action sequences have always been a part of Bond. I’d actually argue that modern Bond films have at least made more of an attempt to motivate the big action set pieces through story.

    Either way, I really don’t mind a gratuitous action sequence so long as it’s original and thrilling. Rivet me to my seat and make me forget all about story for 5 minutes and the action unit has done its job.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    F. Scott Fitzgerald once said "action is character" and the early Bond films really took that to heart. We need to go back to that approach where the action is not just bolted on for the sake of a tedious set piece explosion, but is integral to the plot and telling us who Bond is.

    Like the helicopter fight in FRWL? Or the boat chase in FRWL? Or the car chase in GF? Or the helicopter fight in YOLT? Or the car chase in OHMSS?

    Gratuitous action sequences have always been a part of Bond. I’d actually argue that modern Bond films have at least made more of an attempt to motivate the big action set pieces through story.

    Either way, I really don’t mind a gratuitous action sequence so long as it’s original and thrilling. Rivet me to my seat and make me forget all about story for 5 minutes and the action unit has done its job.

    Amen to that!
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
    Posts: 2,730
    Look I don’t mind if there isn’t much action, I’ll be honest, action is cool, but the Craig era has succeeded most in its themes and stories and if those are done well by Fukunaga, and I have faith that they will, small scale action is fine
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    An actionless "spy film" with a bleak storytelling is nothing but a bore. Something you'd see in a John Le Carre book. I've no interest in seeing my Bond become one of those.

    Give me a full blown action with originality and risks over some pretentious superficial pseudo-intellectual effort any day of the week, twice on the weekends. I'd rather have Bond be the fantasy I want to live. Not leave the theater feeling depressed or bored - Don't know which one is worse.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    edited November 2018 Posts: 5,767
    BMW_with_missiles wrote: »
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    F. Scott Fitzgerald once said "action is character" and the early Bond films really took that to heart. We need to go back to that approach where the action is not just bolted on for the sake of a tedious set piece explosion, but is integral to the plot and telling us who Bond is.

    Like the helicopter fight in FRWL? Or the boat chase in FRWL? Or the car chase in GF? Or the helicopter fight in YOLT? Or the car chase in OHMSS?

    Gratuitous action sequences have always been a part of Bond. I’d actually argue that modern Bond films have at least made more of an attempt to motivate the big action set pieces through story.

    Either way, I really don’t mind a gratuitous action sequence so long as it’s original and thrilling. Rivet me to my seat and make me forget all about story for 5 minutes and the action unit has done its job.

    Amen to that!
    Twice!


    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    An actionless "spy film" with a bleak storytelling is nothing but a bore. Something you'd see in a John Le Carre book. I've no interest in seeing my Bond become one of those.

    Give me a full blown action with originality and risks over some pretentious superficial pseudo-intellectual effort any day of the week, twice on the weekends. I'd rather have Bond be the fantasy I want to live. Not leave the theater feeling depressed or bored - Don't know which one is worse.
    This.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,341
    Tuck91 wrote: »
    This is likely going to be the smallest Bond film of the Craig era, You can tell already. If they were going for something bigger than Spectre we would likely have an action oriented director i think. Fukunaga said the character needs to develop over the span of the film. a guess on the story , perhaps Theres going to be a death of a key character, Oberhauser brings Bond close to death, Craig might evoke his earlier brutal killer self, become depressed, etc. Not sure what other direction there is to go.

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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    An actionless "spy film" with a bleak storytelling is nothing but a bore. Something you'd see in a John Le Carre book. I've no interest in seeing my Bond become one of those.

    Give me a full blown action with originality and risks over some pretentious superficial pseudo-intellectual effort any day of the week, twice on the weekends. I'd rather have Bond be the fantasy I want to live. Not leave the theater feeling depressed or bored - Don't know which one is worse.

    Definitely agree – although I do enjoy a bit John le Carré!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Carre is his own thing and I respect that, despite the awful comments he made about Fleming and Bond.

    But, Bond is the antithesis of whatever Carre represents in his books. I'd rather he stays that way. I find no pleasure in depression.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    Was anyone calling for Le Clarre? Not me. What I was saying was that I want a film that starts low key and builds atmosphere and tension like DN, FRWL. Stuff happens but it isn't necessarily a huge OTT PTS.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited November 2018 Posts: 15,423
    Won't happen in this day and age. A few decades ago, perhaps. But, with a franchise as big as Bond trying to grab a piece of the pie in today's market? Not happening. Slow films aren't eye catchers when one aims for the very big buck. And Bond always aims for the big buck. Today's audiences want excitement and thrill. Not a "he said, she said" set of scenes.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    I think you misunderstand what I'm saying and perhaps slightly underestimate what audiences can tolerate. I am not saying the film shouldn't have action, just that it should build tension and atmosphere organically that then climaxes with big action. You can have an action scene early on that is more low key and tense - stuff happens but you don't necessarily front load your biggest action sequence in the first 10 minutes. Audiences actually enjoy this if it's done well.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited November 2018 Posts: 2,541
    A Casino Royale type of film is the closest low key bond film we could get in 21st century. Frankly I would love to see FRWL type of film but I highly doubt that we are gonna get one. FRWL does have some good action sequences that could be relevant today as well - gypsy camp fight/ sniper scene with karim/train fight/boat chase. I agree that first 30 minutes of the film should be used for building some tension/Character/story for what's about to come.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited November 2018 Posts: 2,541
    Getafix wrote: »
    I think you misunderstand what I'm saying and perhaps slightly underestimate what audiences can tolerate. I am not saying the film shouldn't have action, just that it should build tension and atmosphere organically that then climaxes with big action. You can have an action scene early on that is more low key and tense - stuff happens but you don't necessarily front load your biggest action sequence in the first 10 minutes. Audiences actually enjoy this if it's done well.

    I agree with not giving best action sequence in the first 10 minutes. Save it for the climax.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    DN is still the archetype for me. I love the way it builds from low key totally grounded espionage to a crazy villain with metal hands in an underground nuclear base.
  • Risico007Risico007
    Posts: 9,784
    If we get a bond film as close to the quality of Casino or Quantum I will be over the moon
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
    Posts: 252
    Getafix wrote: »
    I think you misunderstand what I'm saying and perhaps slightly underestimate what audiences can tolerate. I am not saying the film shouldn't have action, just that it should build tension and atmosphere organically that then climaxes with big action. You can have an action scene early on that is more low key and tense - stuff happens but you don't necessarily front load your biggest action sequence in the first 10 minutes. Audiences actually enjoy this if it's done well.

    Agreed.
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