No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • edited August 2018 Posts: 365
    This is what you get when you try to align a fairly rigid thematic template with an auteur.

    Boyle was never a good fit for Bond. If only the producers had set a stronger course after the SP debacle.

    DC’s influence needed to be curtailed years ago. He’s been a fine Bond, but what the franchise needs now is clean air. The Craig narrative feels leaden.

    An anassuming director with action chops, a thrilling spy mission, a young actor free of Craig’s jaded weariness. Is that too much to ask?

    I will always contend that the best Bonds were crafted by no-nonsense action guys with strong editing backgrounds.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    GetCarter wrote: »

    I will always contend that the best Bonds were crafted by no-nonsense action guys with strong editing backgrounds.
    I concur.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
    edited August 2018 Posts: 11,756
    Boyle is a Bond fan. I do think it could have worked well. Don't know how soon we will find out WHY this happened. Interesting director search now.
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    peter wrote: »
    Who knows why this happened. Since they were in early stages of casting, this entire thing could have been a blow up ABOUT the casting (Boyle wanted persons X,Y, and Z, but Craig and the producers wanted ABC (from the DAF novel, of course!)) .

    My gut still tells me they go with the Hodge script...
    But is it normal to be in early stages of casting just 3 months before filming is supposed to start?

    Yes... casting goes on throughout filming as well, and not just for filler roles; Eva Greene was cast AFTER shooting had started.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    I seriously hope JBR are not right and Mendes doesn't get within a hundred miles of Bond 25.

    If he comes back my expectation will be seriously downgraded. I think Dan is unlikely to work with him again on a Bond film at least, so hoping that he doesn't get the call.

    They seem pretty sure it's the idea that has caused the exit, although for site many of you seem to like it seems very unlikely that a script that was signed off by BB, MGW & DC is all of sudden the reason Boyle has parted and these 2 are about as clueless as others on the internet.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
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    I highly doubt the problem is the script. They signed onto it - changing course at that time - right away. Seemingly right away. Should not be the script issues, I think, that caused Boyle to leave.

    But we won't know, probably for awhile yet.
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    I seriously hope JBR are not right and Mendes doesn't get within a hundred miles of Bond 25.

    If he comes back my expectation will be seriously downgraded. I think Dan is unlikely to work with him again on a Bond film at least, so hoping that he doesn't get the call.

    They seem pretty sure it's the idea that has caused the exit, although for site many of you seem to like it seems very unlikely that a script that was signed off by BB, MGW & DC is all of sudden the reason Boyle has parted and these 2 are about as clueless as others on the internet.

    What exactly happened between Craig and Mendes during SP? The JBR guys allude to this but I'd love to know more.
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
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    I've sent my showreel to EON...

    I think losing Boyle is a real blow though. He's a likeable director, passionate in his projects and good in interviews. He always seems to deliver decent films (Trainspotting 2 is better than it has any right to be). And Boyle is a Bond fan - so walking away from this opportunity of a life time that he'll never get again seems something he wouldn't take lightly.

    Dark times as this was going to be Craig leaving 'on a high' and instead it's Boyle leaving on a low and no clear path forward. There's every chance that EON may continue with Hodge's script. They did sign off on Hodge's script but perhaps they reached a fork in the road with how it was executed?

    Anyone else think they've had time to kick back and watch the plaudits and cash thrown at 'MI: Fallout' and thought...we might want something like that?
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    TR007 wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I seriously hope JBR are not right and Mendes doesn't get within a hundred miles of Bond 25.

    If he comes back my expectation will be seriously downgraded. I think Dan is unlikely to work with him again on a Bond film at least, so hoping that he doesn't get the call.

    They seem pretty sure it's the idea that has caused the exit, although for site many of you seem to like it seems very unlikely that a script that was signed off by BB, MGW & DC is all of sudden the reason Boyle has parted and these 2 are about as clueless as others on the internet.

    What exactly happened between Craig and Mendes during SP? The JBR guys allude to this but I'd love to know more.

    I imagine it will get revealed at some point but I believe they fell out during shooting, I certainly didn't get the love fest vibe they gave while promoting Skyfall.

    Both Dan & Sam were delighted with that I never got that from Dan at all.
  • TuxedoTuxedo Europe
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    Creative differences. That sounds like they didn't like the script Hodge wrote and Boyle rather wanted to tell that story than doing a Bond film based on a different plot.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    I’m so angry right now. These bloody fools are running EON and they don’t know what they are doing. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    ugh

    If I’m honest it’s almost certainly that Boyle wanted little action and the producers, after seeing fallout especially, wanted more action.

    Classic case of bond films copying other films.

    Boyle said no because it’s suppsoed to be a low key character piece. And so they booted him.

    Now from here there are a few options..


    They get purvis and wade to add action scenes to Boyle’s draft and then they get some hack director and make it. It’s May get delayed.

    Or they go back to the original script

    Or they start fresh

    Very sad times to be a bond fan if I’m honest.
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    Completely random but......why when you type "Shatterhand 007" on google you get TND as as suggestion?

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    If the call for more action is indeed true, I’m down with that.

    Bravura action sequences interspersed with lifestyle porn is what the Craig canon so badly needs.

    Enough with the angsty claptrap.
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    edited August 2018 Posts: 16,035
    GetCarter wrote: »
    Enough with the angsty claptrap.

    Hear hear. Bond is 50 and he's acting like he's 15.
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    James Bond Radio.com have suggested the great idea of Boyle's was Bond dying!

    Bond is a ghost in Bond 26!

    Genius idea. Can't wait for Idris Elba as James Bond Ghost. :P
  • Bentley007Bentley007 Manitoba, Canada
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    I am really bummed by this development. I have a random theory could someone like an Alex Garland who has worked with Boyle before come in and direct the Hodge script? Would this soften the blow of using Boyle's idea without his direction?
  • Major_BoothroydMajor_Boothroyd Republic of Isthmus
    edited August 2018 Posts: 2,691
    At this point Gareth Edwards is looking a good option. He can do action, He's malleable enough for EON and he's already survived a troubled, messy shoot - Rogue One - that made a billion dollars. I think this Boyle experience, and the fractured Spectre shoot before it should have cured EON of going for Oscar winning directors who want to deliver a unique Bond. Especially if that isn't what EON want.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 444
    Shardlake wrote: »
    TR007 wrote: »

    What exactly happened between Craig and Mendes during SP? The JBR guys allude to this but I'd love to know more.

    I imagine it will get revealed at some point but I believe they fell out during shooting, I certainly didn't get the love fest vibe they gave while promoting Skyfall.

    Both Dan & Sam were delighted with that I never got that from Dan at all.

    Whilst mentioned in the SPECTRE promotion I could have sworn the falling out between them was for Skyfall instead as both Craig and Mendes had said there was some initial difficulties in them finding a way to work together despite their friendship.

    With regards to this news, it is saddening. After seeing Fallout last night I appreciated that Bond 25 would be unlikely to top it as an action movie but would at least have Boyle's contribution as the film's USP.

    I'm not yet inclined to think the artistic differences will be over the script but more so a difference of opinion with Boyle's own methodology in film making. I appreciate a lot here feel that EON are a spent creative force but they still clearly know best about the logistics of actually putting a Bond film together.

    The script was always the problem with SPECTRE - a lot of blame is placed on Mendes but I have never imagined that Mendes would have been likely to be happy with what he had to shoot with.

    There's too much riding on this with the new deal for EON not to have a contingency plan and there must be a couple of attainable directors they already had in mind even if the eventual appointee may forever be saddled with the label of 'second choice' if the film proves a dud.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
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    This sucks in so many ways.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
    edited August 2018 Posts: 11,756
    Ah, I see. Boyle's idea and Hodge's script was actually a PARODY! Yes, kill Bond! Have somebody else save the world for a spin-off ... resurrect Jinx from DAD!! Amazing!!

    Problem just arose that Eon only now caught on that it was a parody and Boyle didn't want to make that at all. He showed them his real script. They said ... but... but ... you said "let's shock 'em!" and we said okay ...

    Alas, we can come up with 1,001 tales for reasons "why" while we wait. ;)
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    If the film gets delayed, i will be pissed.
  • Posts: 3,322
    Birdleson wrote: »
    This sucks in so many ways.

    yes
  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
    edited August 2018 Posts: 993
    Maybe they can get Tommy Wiseau as director?

    *runsforthedoor*



  • DoctorKaufmannDoctorKaufmann Can shoot you from Stuttgart and still make it look like suicide.
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    Or Roger Donaldson?
  • DonnyDB5DonnyDB5 Buffalo, New York
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    What’s even more of a slap in the face is that they tell us they’ve lost their director with no details, no explanation, and no apparent remedy. We’ve only waited for what seems like an eternity for this film to finally get going, and now this. Give us some reassurance, EON.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded Dancing at midnight under the BeBop Moon
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    I think this will not delay the film much, if at all. I am merely guessing, but I'll go ahead and guess we have a named director within three weeks.
  • JeffreyJeffrey The Netherlands
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    Tuxedo wrote: »
    Creative differences. That sounds like they didn't like the script Hodge wrote and Boyle rather wanted to tell that story than doing a Bond film based on a different plot.

    At this stage I don’t think BB, MGW and DC didn’t like the script. They would’ve known way earlier if they didn’t like it.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    At this point Gareth Edwards is looking a good option. He can do action, He's malleable enough for EON and he's already survived a troubled, messy shoot - Rogue One - that made a billion dollars. I think this Boyle experience, and the fractured Spectre shoot before it should have cured EON of going for Oscar winning directors who want to deliver a unique Bond. Especially if that isn't what EON want.

    100% on board
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    I think this will not delay the film much, if at all. I am merely guessing, but I'll go ahead and guess we have a named director within three weeks.

    I'm guessing the film will be delayed another year, the Hodge script abandoned, and Craig will eventually walk.
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