No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2018 Posts: 23,883
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    It will be interesting to see if they end up with one of the people they've already spoken with during their earlier search for a director, or someone new.

    Irrespective, I still think they will need a reasonably well known name to helm this, after the hoopla caused by Boyle's initial announcement and now his untimely departure. A newbie or someone less high profile won't look so good, as they were relying on Boyle for quite a bit of the marketing publicity and hype.

    Hitting that much ballyhooed "high" will depend on far more than the script. The direction and casting will be critical. So I'm quite curious to see who they finally go with. The guy (or gal) will have to be experienced enough to work under a reasonably tight timeline on what is a relatively large production - presumably with limited input to change direction at this stage.

    It's quite amazing how tight lipped everything has been, especially since people at Universal and Annapurna are probably privy to details. One would expect leaks.

    @bondjames im supprised too universal and Annapurna must not be to worried
    @007Blofeld, I wonder how much of an influence Boyle was on Universal signing up for the gig. They are a top notch and experienced distribution outfit though, and hopefully have some replacement suggestions they have already put forth.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 3,333
    It’s far too early for me to comment without fully understanding what these “creative differences” are. It could either be a blessing or a curse, but without this essential information it’s futile for me to speculate. Am I surprised that Boyle walked? No, not really. Am I disappointed? Of course. The producers have had an eternity to get B25 together with these protracted run-in times, yet these long hiatuses don’t appear to benefit anyone. It’s always the same bollock-ball-scramble at the end. Do I think they’ll still use Hodge’s script! Yes, but it’ll change from what Boyle originally intended it to be. Who will direct it now? Probably an assured hand who’s capable of pulling a big production together at the eleventh hour. All bets are off whether the director will remain a Brit. Maybe they’ll get someone like Tony Gilroy in to oversee it? One thing’s for sure, the B25 glitzy press call is going to be interesting when it’s finally unveiled. Cannot wait to hear their answers to the questions put to them.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I am not overly concerned it's not like we have a Justice League or Solo situation here.

    A new director will come in and use the decided script, if the film has to be pushed back in order to create a good movie so be it rather that than a rushed panic job.

    I would welcome Campbell back though I would be surprised if that happened.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited August 2018 Posts: 7,980
    TripAces wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    1. Some of you need to STOP with the Martin Campbell nonsense!!!!! Seriously.

    Or you could stop. Just sayin.

    Campbell's great work after CR: tell me. I'll wait. I mean, CR was twelve years ago. So breakdown the brilliant directing career of Martin Campbell, 2006-2018. That'll be entertaining. The woodie that some of you have for this hack is one of the great mysteries on this site.

    And yet...your screen name is...?

    CR is solidly in my Top 5. But it's a great film in spite of Campbell and not because of him. I don't have the time to break down the film, scene by scene, and point out just how amateurish much of Campbell's work was on that film. It's not worth anyone's time. There are terrific moments, for sure. The choice to use B&W to open the film was brilliant. But there are many moments in the film that you would likely show first-year films students as what NOT to do.

    Wah
    Bloody hell.
    Now I’m gonna need a breakdown because those are some serious accusations

    1. Entire embassy sequence. The pull back from the embassy sign (with one of Arnold's worst pieces playing). The somersault, with the close up. The constant closeups of actor's faces, when they are 100% unnecessary. Even a close-up of a CC camera, button, and a siren. The set design inside the embassy is something out of an 80s MacGyver episode. And then there's the embarrassing exterior shot which, we can all tell, is really a sound stage with painted trees in the bg.



    2. The Ford car commercial in the Bahamas. :22-:27. Just dreadful.



    3. Prague is NOT Miami.

    art120927-prague-casino-royale-10.jpeg

    4. The overly-long Miami airport sequence with, again, more dumb closeups (who films a close up of Bond like this? 4:44-4:46).



    5. Even worse, who the hell films a close-up of Bond like this????



    6. Speaking of the poisoning, was having Bond spun around by a moving car, outside the casino, a good move? No. It was 100% cliche.

    Now, is this being nitpicky? Perhaps. But if I am critiquing a director's work, I have to be. Directors have choices. And what to shoot is meant to give the audience information. Too often, MC informs us of the meaningless and at times when what we are seeing is supposed to be meaningful, he undermines it with blocking and close-ups more suitable for cheesy TV

    The only one of these that had any validity
    Is the Ford commercial
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
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    I am not overly concerned it's not like we have a Justice League or Solo situation here.

    A new director will come in and use the decided script, if the film has to be pushed back in order to create a good movie so be it rather that than a rushed panic job.

    I would welcome Campbell back though I would be surprised if that happened.

    @Fire_and_Ice_Returns I agree it seems like the only people panicking are the media and fans but not the studio or EON
  • BennyBenny In the shadowsAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 14,879
    If they need a director who knows how too handle a Bond film, forget Campbell. Look no further than five time Bind director...John Glen!
    In all seriousness let's take a breath and not panic just yet. Other than the big news regarding Boyle, no other news has surfaced. It's far too early to make guesses about the future of Bond 25.
    It's certainly no need for any personal attacks or arguing over something that is clearly speculative. Thanks
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    Posts: 23,369
    Just switched on Good Morning Britain they are running yet another speculative Idris Elba will be the next Bond story.

    As a side note Charlotte Hawkwins news presenter on Good Morning Britain would make a great Bond girl.

    Charlotte-Hawkins-1134322.jpg
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 11,425
    TripAces wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    1. Some of you need to STOP with the Martin Campbell nonsense!!!!! Seriously.

    Or you could stop. Just sayin.

    Campbell's great work after CR: tell me. I'll wait. I mean, CR was twelve years ago. So breakdown the brilliant directing career of Martin Campbell, 2006-2018. That'll be entertaining. The woodie that some of you have for this hack is one of the great mysteries on this site.

    Wise counsel.

    Indeed, Campbell is probably the most overrated director on these threads.

    I think the chances of Craig working with him again are zero.

    It does seem hard to imagine someone else directing what is now essentially a Danny Boyle Bond film. I'd be up for Forster but doubt he's on any EON list right now.

    It must be crisis summit time at EON towers.

    Is the exit beckoning for Craig? Seems he's boxed himself into a corner in so many ways.


  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    If Campbell is no good director, then what made CR so nearly universally praised must have been the script then ... written by P&W.

    I think they all worked together very well and that‘s what made CR so good. In my opinion they (Campbell and P&W) get too much criticism. In fact I think P&W wrote the parts of the script of SP that worked.

    Anyway ... if a former Bond director returns I hope for Forster or Campbell, honestly. But not Mendes. I praise Mendes for Skyfall and I kinda hate him for what he in large parts did to the wonderful movie SPECTRE could have been.
  • P&W are undoubtedly the most underrated contributors to cinematic Bond on these boards. (Though this conversation is bizarrely giving Martin Campbell a fair shot at the title.) I suspect with a new director onboard, P&W will likely be called in to make updates to B25's script.

    On another note, Forster, while a long shot, would be most welcome back as well.
  • Posts: 11,425
    Campbell does a job but his films are often a bit plodding. Any way he's not coming back while Craig is Bond IMO.

    None of this reflects well on Craig or EON. The stories about people falling out on set.

    Seems like Craig had fallings out with Campbell and Mendes. May be Craig is the problem? I hope EON don't allow any more of this executive producer nonsense with the next actor.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I always felt like SP would be Craig's last Bond film. It just had that note to it, with him riding off like that.
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    Never thought that Boyle was a good fit for Bond, but these constant delays between films are really trying my patience. I'm not getting any younger EON! They really need to get their shit together, and no more than 2 years gap for Bond26 please.
  • Posts: 386
    TripAces wrote: »
    Campbell's great work after CR: tell me. I'll wait. I mean, CR was twelve years ago. So breakdown the brilliant directing career of Martin Campbell, 2006-2018. That'll be entertaining. The woodie that some of you have for this hack is one of the great mysteries on this site.

    With all due respect, Campbell is best when given a rigid template to work with. Bond is precisely the kind of sandpit he excels in.

    Time and again the workmanlike directors have proved to be the best helmsmen of Bond features.

    The fact that Campbell hasn’t had an Oscar-littered career is neither here nor there. The producers know what he can do.

  • edited August 2018 Posts: 11,425
    I'd like Ridley Scott or Ron Howard to step in but suspect the chances are slim. Okay, more like zero.

    It's going to have to be an older journeyman director or hungry young talent.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 2,598
    Heard the news on the radio this morning. I can’t help but wonder if Boyle wanted to mash things up a bit and Eon wanted to churn out the same old thing and stick to the tried and tested formula. If this is the case, then it would certainly be disappointing. Maybe we’ll never know. On the flip side of the coin, maybe Boyle had ideas that were too out there like Bond having cosmetic surgery to be turned into a black man, maybe Iris Elba, possibly accompanied with a sex change and cross dressing at night for undercover work. ;)

    I’m happy with most of Campbell’s work on Bond although Goldeneye has too much action in it and not enough of those classy Bondian moments (see the last paragraph). Still, most of Casino Royale was handled well but it suffered from the same things I mentioned regarding Goldeneye. We’ve been lacking these aspects since the Moore days. I wonder if Eon have approached him. Campbell for Bond 25, November 2022! :)

    Oh, just read a post above; Campbell and Craig aren’t the best of buddies?

    I remember someone posting a comment regarding something I said and remarked that gone are the days of Connery and Moore and Bond is now more driven or charged or something like this. I forgot to reply. Anyway, I’m all for an emotionally charged Bond; we experienced this at times in the Fleming books but I was just referring to the times when we had elegant, connoisseur oriented scenes when Bond would enjoy expensive, quality food with villains and dames and comment on the vino along with other things. I miss these times. These days, Eon don’t focus enough on the smaller but important facets of Bond’s character that make him Bond.
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    Does anyone think that Boyle might have walked because of his commitment to his Beatles movie? It did always seem ludicrous to me that he was doing two big budget movies at the same time.
  • RoadphillRoadphill United Kingdom
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    TripAces wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    1. Some of you need to STOP with the Martin Campbell nonsense!!!!! Seriously.

    Or you could stop. Just sayin.

    Campbell's great work after CR: tell me. I'll wait. I mean, CR was twelve years ago. So breakdown the brilliant directing career of Martin Campbell, 2006-2018. That'll be entertaining. The woodie that some of you have for this hack is one of the great mysteries on this site.

    And yet...your screen name is...?

    Here is what I wrote: "Campbell's great work after CR: tell me. I'll wait. I mean, CR was twelve years ago. So breakdown the brilliant directing career of Martin Campbell, 2006-2018."

    So the issue is that MC hasn't done much since CR. That said...

    CR is solidly in my Top 5. But tbh it's a great film in spite of Campbell and not because of him. I don't have the time to break down the film, scene by scene, and point out just how amateurish much of Campbell's work was on that film. It's not worth anyone's time. There are terrific moments, for sure. The choice to use B&W to open the film was brilliant. But there are many moments in the film that you would likely show first-year films students as what NOT to do.

    Who cares what he has done since, quite frankly.

    He is the director of the two best modern (if you can call a films two and one decades old respectively, modern) Bond films.

    If EON can tempt him back, then do it for god's sake.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 11,425
    At this point I'd welcome a film directed by almost anyone.

    Just not Mendes. I've advocated Ron Howard for a while. I wonder whether he'd consider it after salvaging Solo. I doubt he wants to be known as a salvage man but the temptation to have directed a Star Wars and Bond film would be high, I'd have thought.

    I actually really don't understand why EON seem to have such trouble attracting directors. It says something about how they operate that they seem to really struggle on this front.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Just not Mendes.

    Absolutely!

  • edited August 2018 Posts: 11,425
    Is @bondjames moonlighting for the Hollywood Reporter?

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/why-james-bond-should-leave-daniel-craig-past-1136495

    There is the ring of truth about this article.
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    Whatever the 'creative differences' were i find it highly unlikley it was the script. Everyone signed off on Hodge's script and seemed very excited about it. I just cant see why that would change, if it was an unusual take on a bond story they all seemed onboard with it. So it could be down to arguements over casting maybe. Or Boyle simply realising that he's bitten off more than he could chew. We had read already that the budget was rapidly increasing and Boyle doednt like high budgets. But again he knew what he was getting into surely. Or could it be that the producers have been left shocked by the hugely positive critical reaction to MI:F. Another Bourne moment maybe. Many of the reviews of Fallout have said that Bond needs to up his game to match it. Is it possible that Brocolli had asked to up the action ante and Boyle baulked at the idea. All in all a very disapointing development.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    Posts: 732
    Big fan of Craig and his Bond interpretation says this: Maybe it IS time for him to go. I would more than love another entry with him starring as Ian Fleming‘s famous spy - his first 3 entries are mixed with Connery‘s first 4 and forming my Top 7 so to speak. But maybe all I would get is now another SPECTRE and I don‘t want that. I would appreciate a blend of CR (story), QoS (Energy) and Skyfall (Visuals) ... but maybe there‘s no chance anymore they are able to deliver something like this and moving the movie around for another year may just be too long for Craig to stay.

    Oh dear god ... really sad news.
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    I STILL don't like that Craig has a say in all this,even in the announcement.
    They probably want another emotional load of bollocks,and Danny wanted to spice things up a bit.
    For Danny to quit then something serious has happened,and I put my money on Craig,he has got too big for his boots,its gone to his head.

    He needs to go and bring in a new Bond for B25.
    Now is the time to do it,and bed him in for B26 and the anniversary.

  • edited August 2018 Posts: 3,333
    cooperman2 wrote: »
    Whatever the 'creative differences' were i find it highly unlikley it was the script. Everyone signed off on Hodge's script and seemed very excited about it.
    Where did you read that “everyone signed off on Hodge’s script” from and “were very excited about it”? There’s been no reports of a finished script as far as I can recall, unless you can give us any new insights on the subject. Broccoli agreed to Boyle’s initial “idea” if that’s what you meant by signing off on, certainly not on any first or second screenplay drafts. For all we know the script might still be evolving with certain key elements yet to be ironed out. The creative differences could be certain amendments or requests to be written into the script, made by Craig and Broccoli, that Boyle disagreed with. I somehow doubt Boyle threw a hissy fit over a casting decision that didn’t go his way.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 11,425
    Perhaps it was over the requirement for some big set-piece actions sequences?

    To be honest, most of the action in Bond has felt bolted on for years now. It rarely flows from the plot like it used to back in the day.

    I can imagine Boyle not wanting to include action just for the sake of it and insisting that what happens on screen must flow from the plot.

    He's big on storytelling and keeps things tight without any superfluous elements, which is the opposite to Mendes basically. Mendes is all baggy and overlong, whereas Boyle is sharply tailored and snappy.
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    The signs weren't good back in March 2018!
    March 2018

    Speaking at a Liverpool Institute for Performing Arts masterclass, Boyle said: "I like watching big films but I don't think I'm necessarily good at making them. Then I thought, 'No, you shouldn't think like that. The unknown is exciting. The fear is very important. If you repeat yourself you don't ask yourself enough questions, you don't feel the fear about what you're doing because you feel you know what you're doing."

    "We have this idea," he added, "about what we want to do with Bond and I felt we should have a go because of this idea. So we are trying to stay true to our principles."

    Hiring a guy that admits he's not good at making big films - not the ideal starting out point! It would be like boarding a plane and the pilot says "I don't think I'm necessarily good at flying."

    !!!!!!


    His departure may turn out to be a blessing in disguise. We'll have to see if Hodge's screenplay is used - if this "idea" is realized - but a new director, one embracing the challenge, is the way forward! :)
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    Daniel Espinosa. Safe House, Child 44. I made this choose also because i know people liked Casino Royale.

    Steven Knight. 3th writer and directer in one. I sugest him before as 3th writer with P&W i mind, buy i think it can work with Boyle and Hodge too.

    Gavin Hood. I liked Eye In Sky, stil think Rendition whas his best movie. End Game whas very disapointed. If take his Rendition writer as 3th writer. Con is that with Wolverine dive in his family past, but with brian cox thing not work. Lazy action too.

    Susanna White. Famale directer of Our Kind of Traitor. Don't mind if she take Hossein Amini with her as 3th writer.

    If there keep Lee Smith as editor i don't mimd to see Marc Foster back.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Getafix wrote: »
    Is @bondjames moonlighting for the Hollywood Reporter?

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/why-james-bond-should-leave-daniel-craig-past-1136495

    There is the ring of truth about this article.

    Agreed. It just feels stale now. I think what would have helped is if Craig was out there working on more commercial films and new how to handle himself better during press junkets; I think then the staleness of his longevity in the role wouldn't be AS obvious.

    The announcement of the new director is either going to reignite my excitement or I'll just end up walking away until after I see the film whenever it decides to come out.
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