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  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    Last_Rat_Standing wrote: »
    That's the only part of his score that I enjoy.

    Agreed. Kamen's score is probably the worst. On a good day he might be better than Conti but that doesn't say much.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Just follow the CR template up to the end of the casino sequence.

    The film was very well written up to that point, well paced, suspenseful, with great action and a Bond full of mojo. It was also a bit unpredictable because it didn't follow the traditional framing template (M's briefing of Bond occurs some time into the film).

    For me the coolest Bond performances full of verve and spirit have been in GE & the earlier half of CR. That's what I want to see again.

    There is a swagger to Craig in CR that really makes it work. We haven't really seen that since.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Agreed...it was a bit exaggerated in SP,especially in the PTS going up the stairs in the hotel...
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    He must have gotten so much pelvic pain it killed the chances of any ski scene.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    My eyes were on Sigman throughout most of the tracking shot.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    But Craig s ass was swinging in front of her half the time.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    But Craig s ass was swinging in front of her half the time.

    It was indeed....like 2 balls on a swinging pendulum,im surprised his arse didn't knock her off the stairs.

  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
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    Didn't mind Kamen's music in LTK, actually. But the LTK PTS was one of the worst, IMO.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    ForYourEyesOnly wrote: »
    Didn't mind Kamen's music in LTK, actually. But the LTK PTS was one of the worst, IMO.

    As a PTS it's not as well directed or shot as that of TLD.
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    edited July 2017 Posts: 1,984
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    As a PTS it's not as well directed or shot as that of TLD.

    Think it's more lacking than any PTS except DAF or LALD. That includes weaker ones like FYEO and TMWTGG.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    ForYourEyesOnly wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    As a PTS it's not as well directed or shot as that of TLD.

    Think it's more lacking than any PTS except DAF or LALD. That includes weaker ones like FYEO and TMWTGG.

    My controversial opinion: the PTS of FYEO and TMWTGG are both actually very good. Same with LALD. In DAF the PTS is maybe the only thing I like about the movie and the only thing I watch of the film when it is on.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    ForYourEyesOnly wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    As a PTS it's not as well directed or shot as that of TLD.

    Think it's more lacking than any PTS except DAF or LALD. That includes weaker ones like FYEO and TMWTGG.

    My controversial opinion: the PTS of FYEO and TMWTGG are both actually very good. Same with LALD. In DAF the PTS is maybe the only thing I like about the movie and the only thing I watch of the film when it is on.
    I like the FYEO, TMWTGG (Barry's score and the suspenseful atmosphere are great) and LALD PTS. I only dislike the DAF one due to "Ca Ca Ca Caaaairooo!", "Hit Me" and the cheese factor.

    I don't mind the LTK PTS either. What brings it down is the horrendous acting (especially by the female characters like Soto and Barnes).
  • BT3366BT3366
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    The LTK PTS seems like an uneasy blend of humor and ultra-serious. The wedding-related things like the dad saying "I knew this was a mistake" to Dalton's lame "Let's go fishing" don't work. There's the slow-motion thing that's just out of place.

    It all just seems a bit overlong and not that exciting. Sanchez dangling in the captured plane while everybody laughs doesn't help much either.

    A PTS should get you fired up for what's to come and LTK doesn't work in that way much at all. For me, the rest of the film works better.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    In LTK too many things happen in the PTS in too short a time. That's the issue and explains the weird shifting tone.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    FYEO has one of the greatest pre title sequences in the series, if only Blofeld would shut up I think everyone would agree.
  • noSolaceleftnoSolaceleft
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    Great that someone is aware of it. I am old enough to have seen it multiple times in the cinema and I can assure all of you that there were no complaints way back then about it being to sedate or subpar. That almost coming out of the screen helicopter combined with the hammering of the motor produced a real intense feeling that kept you on the edge of your seat.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    It is a top stunt in the series, and the flowers on Tracy s grave is a standout moment.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Agreed. FYEO's PTS is one of the better ones. I don't even mind Blofeld. I just can't stand Conti's annoying score when Bond gets control of the helicopter.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    For me the FYEO PTS is a transition from the extravaganza of the last decade to a more grounded Bond.
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    FYEO's PTS has great material and extremely bad material imho. Watching Bond stand over Tracy's grave is a touching moment, but the rest is pure stupidity and the juxtaposition compared to the later tone of the film is jarring.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I wonder if this will make it better in the eyes of some Bond fans. I rescored the scene with John Barry music and I added two brief clips from OHMSS to serve as flashbacks.
  • IncompetentHenchmanIncompetentHenchman
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    I think it's ridiculous when you look at the FYEO PTS and imagine that this was their attempt at a 'grounded' Bond. FYEO - and to some extent the Glen Bonds as a whole - always suffered from some lack of tonal focus.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    IncompetentHenchman wrote: »
    I think it's ridiculous when you look at the FYEO PTS and imagine that this was their attempt at a 'grounded' Bond. FYEO - and to some extent the Glen Bonds as a whole - always suffered from some lack of tonal focus.

    Yes, tonally FYEO didn't stray too far from what MR had been doing. Even MR had its more serious scenes like FYEO's. I think it's simply the overarching plot of the lost ATAC being very grounded as opposed to global annihilation from outer space that leads to the perception of FYEO as a grounded film. Tonally, it's all over the map.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
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    Controversial opinion: The FYEO PTS is the best part of the film.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @Murdock, I hafta admit that once you did the FB cuts, and then the OHMSS soundtrack kicked in, I got the shivers.

    Methinks Murdock has soul and has a keen understanding of Bond on film.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Thanks @peter, I enjoy doing rescores as they provide a little look into what if territory. :)
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
    edited July 2017 Posts: 1,984
    I don't think the FYEO PTS was especially poor in of itself; I just liked most of the other ones more. It's good until Blofeld turns into a straight caricature (though I still enjoy Moore's performance in that segment). And I actually didn't mind the music when Bond pulls out the wires.
  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
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    Just watched A View To A Kill. Very underrated movie. Great score, great theme, great stunts (even if they seem like they're just there for the sake of it) and some pretty good cinematography. Also a generally good cast. It might be the weakest movie of the 80's, but for me that only goes to show how good the other Glen movies are. I still prefer AVTAK over any of the 70's movies except TSWLM.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    IncompetentHenchman wrote: »
    I think it's ridiculous when you look at the FYEO PTS and imagine that this was their attempt at a 'grounded' Bond. FYEO - and to some extent the Glen Bonds as a whole - always suffered from some lack of tonal focus.

    I agree that the tone was inconsistent but overall the stories are more plausible from FYEO onwards.
  • octofingeroctofinger
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    OK, here's one:

    Ken Adam did as much to define Bond early on as Connery did.

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