No Time To Die: Production Diary

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  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Whether with Craig or not, I don't care. I just want a normal, traditional and straightforward James Bond thriller that deals even with less drama and emotional dilemmas. I could do without them.
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    ColonelSun wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Craig is the best Bond, I say we need another with him.

    Agree. He's a superb Bond. I just can't get my head around why some hate him so much, although it's plainly evident (box office, critics etc.) the wider audience really like him. But I guess, each to their own.
    No hate, I believe he is easily the best Bond since Connery. I just happen to think that it's time to go back to basics and you can't really do that with Craig after Spectre.

    Of course you can. EON did by going fromYOLT followed by OHMSS and again with MR and FYEO.

    Going back to basics after a more flamboyant entry is standard operating procedure.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
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    Getafix wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Craig is the best Bond, I say we need another with him.

    Agree. He's a superb Bond. I just can't get my head around why some hate him so much, although it's plainly evident (box office, critics etc.) the wider audience really like him. But I guess, each to their own.
    No hate, I believe he is easily the best Bond since Connery. I just happen to think that it's time to go back to basics and you can't really do that with Craig after Spectre.

    Of course you can. EON did by going fromYOLT followed by OHMSS and again with MR and FYEO.

    Going back to basics after a more flamboyant entry is standard operating procedure.

    OHMSS doesn't have the same Bond actor in it than YOLT, look closer.

    Also, with Moore it is a different story than Craig. Moore started by making traditional Bond films, whereas Craig never has.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
    Posts: 7,293
    Whether with Craig or not, I don't care. I just want a normal, traditional and straightforward James Bond thriller that deals even with less drama and emotional dilemmas. I could do without them.

    The only way we'll get that is if Craig leaves.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    Whether with Craig or not, I don't care. I just want a normal, traditional and straightforward James Bond thriller that deals even with less drama and emotional dilemmas. I could do without them.

    The only way we'll get that is if Craig leaves.
    I'm indifferent with him, to tell you the truth. If he leaves, he leaves.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    ColonelSun wrote: »
    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Craig is the best Bond, I say we need another with him.

    Agree. He's a superb Bond. I just can't get my head around why some hate him so much, although it's plainly evident (box office, critics etc.) the wider audience really like him. But I guess, each to their own.
    No hate, I believe he is easily the best Bond since Connery. I just happen to think that it's time to go back to basics and you can't really do that with Craig after Spectre.

    Of course you can. EON did by going fromYOLT followed by OHMSS and again with MR and FYEO.

    Going back to basics after a more flamboyant entry is standard operating procedure.

    OHMSS doesn't have the same Bond actor in it than YOLT, look closer.

    Also, with Moore it is a different story than Craig. Moore started by making traditional Bond films, whereas Craig never has.

    How would you define a 'traditional' Bond film, what does that even mean?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Straightforward Bond film.
    Pretitles: Defining the problem or standalone prologue.
    Main event: Something happens, villain is introduced, Bond is called for briefing, stops for a flirt with Moneypenny then goes straight into M's door, receives the mission, travels overseas, makes acquaintance with the villain and a couple of Bond girls somewhere between, is discovered as a spy, exposes the villain's operation to HQ, final battle, hand to hand combat with the villain, kills the villain, accomplishes the mission, gets it on with a Bond girl, end credits.
  • edited November 2016 Posts: 4,325
    Straightforward Bond film.
    Pretitles: Defining the problem or standalone prologue.
    Main event: Something happens, villain is introduced, Bond is called for briefing, stops for a flirt with Moneypenny then goes straight into M's door, receives the mission, travels overseas, makes acquaintance with the villain and a couple of Bond girls somewhere between, is discovered as a spy, exposes the villain's operation to HQ, final battle, hand to hand combat with the villain, kills the villain, accomplishes the mission, gets it on with a Bond girl, end credits.

    Most of that happens in CR and QoS
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Well, most of that happens in almost every Bond film. Not all of it.
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    Well, most of that happens in almost every Bond film. Not all of it.

    Exactly, the Bond franchise is probably the most formulaic one going.
  • Posts: 159
    In some cases, Bond history has taught us that after every disappointing film the actor changes. (DAF, AVTAK, DAD). Maybe it's time to move on with another actor, as much as I like Craig. And find a way to eliminate the theory of foster brothers, which is difficult I guess...
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited November 2016 Posts: 2,138
    Kostas_P wrote: »
    In some cases, Bond history has taught us that after every disappointing film the actor changes. (DAF, AVTAK, DAD). Maybe it's time to move on with another actor, as much as I like Craig. And find a way to eliminate the theory of foster brothers, which is difficult I guess...

    Woah, in opinion of some Spectre is disappointing, But lets look at it's numbers, ok it did not exceed Skyfall.

    $880,674,609 against Skyfall the highest grossing $1,110,526,981which still makes Spectre the 2nd highest grossing Bond ever made. Spectre is hardly a flop or disappointing too many.

    My biggest problem with it was the lack of surprise, between Sony leaks, production video diaries and the trailer we already got to see the best bits of the movie before seeing it in the cinema. If you had managed to avoid all of that seeing Spectre would have been far more enjoyable IMO.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    @SirHilaryBray DAF and DAD were very successful as well (money-wise), yet the following movies were played by different actors.
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    Kostas_P wrote: »
    In some cases, Bond history has taught us that after every disappointing film the actor changes. (DAF, AVTAK, DAD). Maybe it's time to move on with another actor, as much as I like Craig. And find a way to eliminate the theory of foster brothers, which is difficult I guess...

    Woah, in opinion of some Spectre is disappointing, But lets look at it's numbers, ok it did not exceed Skyfall.

    $880,674,609 against Skyfall the highest grossing $1,110,526,981which still makes Spectre the 2nd highest grossing Bond ever made. Spectre is hardly a flop or disappointing too many.

    My biggest problem with it was the lack of surprise, between Sony leaks, production video diaries and the trailer we already got to see the best bits of the movie before seeing it in the cinema. If you had managed to avoid all of that seeing Spectre would have been far more enjoyable IMO.

    Right, but someone (Barbara) just can't ignore peoples' opinion for the films.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
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    If EON have decided to start afresh, then some praise is in order. It would be the first time that they have chosen to peace out on an era where everything is going well, before things turn sour. That takes bravery, and saves us having another DAF, DAD, AVTAK (though I know those entries do have plenty of redeeming qualities).

    I just think it would be really cool for EON to not rest on their laurels.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    If EON have decided to start afresh, then some praise is in order. It would be the first time that they have chosen to peace out on an era where everything is going well, before things turn sour. That takes bravery, and saves us having another DAF, DAD, AVTAK (though I know those entries do have plenty of redeeming qualities).

    I just think it would be really cool for EON to not rest on their laurels.

    If Dan stays for 1 or 2 more, with Mike and Barbs getting on I think their involvement officially will end with Dan's reign, and with Gregg and David G already heavily involved, I think when Dan goes it will be Gregg and David G picking the next Bond and it will be their vision for what Bond is when that time comes.
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    I still just want to know who is writing the darn thing
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
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    2 more films?! We don't know if he's coming back for one more yet. If Craig does 2 more he would have the longest tenure in the official series. He would be 52/3 at the time of shooting Bond 26. I don't see any possibility of that happening, but who knows...
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    2 more films?! We don't know if he's coming back for one more yet. If Craig does 2 more he would have the longest tenure in the official series. He would be 52/3 at the time of shooting Bond 26. I don't see any possibility of that happening, but who knows...

    He said he would keep doing it as long as he kept enjoying it and felt up to it. Other quotes were "I might do another one, maybe another 2, I don't know, now is not the time to think about it". Yet an even earlier quote was "I don't want to be the old guy, and it looks awkward, when the day comes when I am too old for it I hope someone tells me".

    I suspect he will do one, unless the plan is make 2 in quick succession and withhold release of the second I would have to agree 2 would be a push, but entirely possible. The rumour he had been offered $150M for 2 films. The amount was denied, but not that there had been an offer.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
    edited November 2016 Posts: 686
    If they feel comfortable and able to end on a high note with Craig (so with continuity from his films since it's some form of trademark in his 007 era), then they should do exactly that.

    If they have the feeling SP is their only way to do a "standard" Bond movie, then they have done all they can (with Craig) and it's time to release Craig and start fresh with a new tone of the movies.

    To me, the Craig era deserves one last, bookending entry with all the now trademark elements Craig brought to the role: Personal background of Bond, serious relationship, hard-boiled action, less gadgets.

    But any cheesy thing like the foster-brother "twist" and such must be avoided - same as the "one-man-army" thing the third act of SP showed. Of course Bond is larger-than-life ... but Craig's other entries showed he suffers greatly to achieve his goals .. where in SP he walks away, shoots some guards and the whole Blofeld HQ blows up... WTF?! SO please let's avoid that.

    IF EON is able to get a script together which focuses on the Craig-Bond-trademark elements, mix in ingredients from Novels (OHMSS, MR are my choices) plus escapism (less but more explored locations like in DN or TB) I am absolutely sure we would get a well done and very successful bookend for the Craig era.

    If all that's not possible and the only way they think they can do it is like especially SPs third act (which wipes out all the most excellent elements of acts 1 and 2) - then please start over with another actor and find a new balance ... maybe go back to the traditional formula which may suit the new actor better. If they stick to the "new formula", it will be (too) hard for any new actor not to be compared to Craig's version and he will not be able to show his strengths as he could otherwise (see Dalton's first movie with too many elements suiting Roger Moore for example).
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
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    Risico007 wrote: »
    I still just want to know who is writing the darn thing

    Hopefully not Logan, although he did seem to come in tow with Mendes. From what I read about Spectre it took Jez Buttrworth and an embarrassing climb down to reproach to Neal Purvis and Robert Wade to fix the holes and add some humour to Logan's script. Too many cooks spoil the broth. I would give the gig to Mark Gatiss. A self proclaimed super fan his writing on Sherlock and guest writing on Dr Who went down well. he is a really creative guy and I think he could nail a classic adventure.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
    edited November 2016 Posts: 7,293
    2 more films?! We don't know if he's coming back for one more yet. If Craig does 2 more he would have the longest tenure in the official series. He would be 52/3 at the time of shooting Bond 26. I don't see any possibility of that happening, but who knows...

    He said he would keep doing it as long as he kept enjoying it and felt up to it. Other quotes were "I might do another one, maybe another 2, I don't know, now is not the time to think about it". Yet an even earlier quote was "I don't want to be the old guy, and it looks awkward, when the day comes when I am too old for it I hope someone tells me".

    I suspect he will do one, unless the plan is make 2 in quick succession and withhold release of the second I would have to agree 2 would be a push, but entirely possible. The rumour he had been offered $150M for 2 films. The amount was denied, but not that there had been an offer.

    I don't think Craig is on board with the idea of shooting films back to back. The only way I could see it happening is if they could find a director that he really wanted to work with. They would have to rely much more on stunt doubles and other tricks to avoid any halts in production caused by Craig getting injured.

    Personally I feel there is something odd about the type of answers were getting. Barbara has never mentioned anything about the distrobutor holding things up. That business could be sorted out by now for all we know, and Craig still said in October that " tiredness" was the cause for delay. Meanwhile we have had several reports throughout the year of Actors being flown to LA to talk with Barbara herself. That could be harmless talks, but it does raise the possibility that they are stalling for time, until an announcement is made.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    edited November 2016 Posts: 4,116
    If EON have decided to start afresh, twhen some praise is in order. It would be the first time that they have chosen to peace out on an era where everything is going well, before things turn sour. That takes bravery, and saves us having another DAF, DAD, AVTAK (though I know those entries do have plenty of redeeming qualities).

    I just think it would be really cool for EON to not rest on their laurels.

    I don't quite agree. If they bow out in my opinion would be closer to what happened after DAD. SP really comes off to me as Craig's DAD.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
    edited November 2016 Posts: 7,293
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    If EON have decided to start afresh, twhen some praise is in order. It would be the first time that they have chosen to peace out on an era where everything is going well, before things turn sour. That takes bravery, and saves us having another DAF, DAD, AVTAK (though I know those entries do have plenty of redeeming qualities).

    I just think it would be really cool for EON to not rest on their laurels.

    I don't quite agree. If they now out in my opinion would be closer to what happened after DAD. SP really comes off to me as Craig's DAD.

    There are elements that DAD and SP share, the celebratory atmosphere being a prime example, and the dodgy CGI being another. I can certainly see where you're coming from, however I see a lot of the "just one more" rhetoric which lead to DAF and AVTAK. In other words, EON clinging to a successful actor in almost a nostalgic fashion, instead of innovating and adapting to the changing world around them. How much does todays climate resemble the one which Craig emerged from in 2006?
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    If EON have decided to start afresh, twhen some praise is in order. It would be the first time that they have chosen to peace out on an era where everything is going well, before things turn sour. That takes bravery, and saves us having another DAF, DAD, AVTAK (though I know those entries do have plenty of redeeming qualities).

    I just think it would be really cool for EON to not rest on their laurels.

    I don't quite agree. If they now out in my opinion would be closer to what happened after DAD. SP really comes off to me as Craig's DAD.

    There are elements that DAD and SP share, the celebratory atmosphere being a prime example, and the dodgy CGI being another. I can certainly see where you're coming from, however I see a lot of the "just one more" rhetoric which lead to DAF and AVTAK. In other words, EON clinging to a successful actor in almost a nostalgic fashion, instead of innovating and adapting to the changing world around them. How much does todays climate reflect the one which Craig emerged from in 2006?

    Yes you're right there is that one more rhetoric I don't recall after DAD.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    mcdonbb wrote: »
    If EON have decided to start afresh, twhen some praise is in order. It would be the first time that they have chosen to peace out on an era where everything is going well, before things turn sour. That takes bravery, and saves us having another DAF, DAD, AVTAK (though I know those entries do have plenty of redeeming qualities).

    I just think it would be really cool for EON to not rest on their laurels.

    I don't quite agree. If they now out in my opinion would be closer to what happened after DAD. SP really comes off to me as Craig's DAD.

    There are elements that DAD and SP share, the celebratory atmosphere being a prime example, and the dodgy CGI being another. I can certainly see where you're coming from, however I see a lot of the "just one more" rhetoric which lead to DAF and AVTAK. In other words, EON clinging to a successful actor in almost a nostalgic fashion, instead of innovating and adapting to the changing world around them. How much does todays climate resemble the one which Craig emerged from in 2006?

    I don't recall the dodgy CGI in SP, I do many times in DAD? For me, although I prefer the tone of say CR, SP was a good character arc for Craig's Bond. Brosnan's Bond faltered midway through TND.

    Todays climate is pretty similar to the one which Craig emerged from in 2006, post 911 and out of the 2008-2012 recession.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe "I need a year off" Craig
    Posts: 7,293
    suavejmf wrote: »
    mcdonbb wrote: »
    If EON have decided to start afresh, twhen some praise is in order. It would be the first time that they have chosen to peace out on an era where everything is going well, before things turn sour. That takes bravery, and saves us having another DAF, DAD, AVTAK (though I know those entries do have plenty of redeeming qualities).

    I just think it would be really cool for EON to not rest on their laurels.

    I don't quite agree. If they now out in my opinion would be closer to what happened after DAD. SP really comes off to me as Craig's DAD.

    There are elements that DAD and SP share, the celebratory atmosphere being a prime example, and the dodgy CGI being another. I can certainly see where you're coming from, however I see a lot of the "just one more" rhetoric which lead to DAF and AVTAK. In other words, EON clinging to a successful actor in almost a nostalgic fashion, instead of innovating and adapting to the changing world around them. How much does todays climate resemble the one which Craig emerged from in 2006?

    I don't recall the dodgy CGI in SP, I do many times in DAD? For me, although I prefer the tone of say CR, SP was a good character arc for Craig's Bond. Brosnan's Bond faltered midway through TND.

    Todays climate is pretty similar to the one which Craig emerged from in 2006, post 911 and out of the 2008-2012 recession.

    I think SP is a pretty good sendoff. Better than DAF or AVTAK or DAD. It wrapped things up nicely for Craig, gave him some nice symmerty. A woman was what created his Bond (Vesper) and now a woman was what caused him to leave (Swan). Plus it set up Blofeld to reappear sometime down the line. The damage is done as far as the brother angle is concerned. No way we can reverse that decision now.

    I think the world has changed dramatically in the last few years, and Bond is already being slow on the uptake if you ask me. Trump would never have gotten elected in 2008, for example. There seems to be a huge cultural shift happening and if Bond continues like business as usual then its going to find itself left behind. Then another huge reboot would be needed to catch up and "prove" again that Bond is still relevant. I'd really prefer to avoid that.
  • SirHilaryBraySirHilaryBray Scotland
    edited November 2016 Posts: 2,138
    2 more films?! We don't know if he's coming back for one more yet. If Craig does 2 more he would have the longest tenure in the official series. He would be 52/3 at the time of shooting Bond 26. I don't see any possibility of that happening, but who knows...

    He said he would keep doing it as long as he kept enjoying it and felt up to it. Other quotes were "I might do another one, maybe another 2, I don't know, now is not the time to think about it". Yet an even earlier quote was "I don't want to be the old guy, and it looks awkward, when the day comes when I am too old for it I hope someone tells me".

    I suspect he will do one, unless the plan is make 2 in quick succession and withhold release of the second I would have to agree 2 would be a push, but entirely possible. The rumour he had been offered $150M for 2 films. The amount was denied, but not that there had been an offer.

    I don't think Craig is on board with the idea of shooting films back to back. The only way I could see it happening is if they could find a director that he really wanted to work with. They would have to rely much more on stunt doubles and other tricks to avoid any halts in production caused by Craig getting injured.

    Personally I feel there is something odd about the type of answers were getting. Barbara has never mentioned anything about the distrobutor holding things up. That business could be sorted out by now for all we know, and Craig still said in October that " tiredness" was the cause for delay. Meanwhile we have had several reports throughout the year of Actors being flown to LA to talk with Barbara herself. That could be harmless talks, but it does raise the possibility that they are stalling for time, until an announcement is made.

    I think the change in tone, with Barbers comments, and with Dan finally talking about that something has happened. I suspect your right that his aspect has been sorted but it is being kept on the down low until the ink's dry on the contract. As for the other actors auditioning, I think the rumours are true, but I feel it is has been more to do with covering their own backs while awaiting Dan. I don't think he is saying one thing to the press and one thing to EON, I think the indecision is genuine but with a us now nearly a year on from when Craig was doing the Spectre PR and he has had time to forget about Bond and focus on other projects he had warmed to the idea and knows he is not ready to give it up.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Post-9/11 is slowly fading away. There's a new era coming.
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    Post-9/11 is slowly fading away. There's a new era coming.

    I think it's actually escalated than faded away, al-quaeda has given way to ISIS with their beheadings etc. Bataclan was only a year ago.
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