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That scenario really takes a huge dump on who Bond is as a character.
Agreed..even leave Blofeld and the whole SPECTRE 'circus' out for BOND 25,and just get Bond back in Vauxhall Cross,and give him a totally stand-alone mission,given to him by M and focussing on a traditional Bond villain.
TRADITIONAL is the important word.....
Say you're boycotting the next film or that you're going to wait until the next Bond arrives to get into the franchise again (I've actually heard these responses before) if you want, but at least realize the facts laying right in front of you.
Let your creativity speak by focusing on the future, by focusing how SPECTRE and Blofeld can be improved greatly during the next, 25th Bond film.
That's a direct contradiction to the story that Cubby wanted Brosnan as soon as he laid eyes on him when Pierce visited the set of his wife playing a Bond girl. If the guy can act I want him.
I think we should go with what was said and showed in the Documentaries on the DVD/Blu-ray discs of the films.
Yep. As usual, you and I are on the same page. I can't even fathom a reality where they don't go this route. They JUST got the rights back to Bond's biggest bad guy. They have to keep going. I say two more with Blofeld, a nice little trilogy like they had before.
@0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 the only 'fact' we all need to realize, is that the only people who care about continuity in the franchise are found on hardcore fan forums like this one. And we make less than 0.001% of the audience for these films. The general audience do not care whether Madeleine, Blofeld or whatever comes back. If they get a great Bond film that continues with the SP events, they'll love it , if they get a great Bond film that ignores all events of SP, they'll love it. All they want for Bond 25 is a great film, they couldn't care less if the film is stand-alone or continues SP's timeline.
And that's what we need to understand. A great Bond 25 with Craig that ignores all events of SP will still be a huge success, irrespective of the few hardcore fans who will be angry that EON ignored SP's events.
Brady is right, though. Craig's fifth film won't ignore SPECTRE, no matter what the fans think, and this is a fact.
Quantum of Solace is generally regarded as one of the worst entries in the series, yet SPECTRE was a continuation of this story.
EON is not going to drop SPECTRE, Swann or whatever just because people don't care.
If he doesn't come back. Bond 25 will have NOTHING to do at all with the Craig-era.
I did not say they will, must or should ignore SP. My only point was that a great Bond film, irrespective of whether it carries SP's events or ignores them entirely, will be a success. If EON makes another film to the level of CR, with Craig, while also ignoring SPECTRE, Madeline and what not, the film will be a huge success. That is a fact, but I agree with your point that if Craig returns they'll carry on with SP's timeline.
To whom are you referring @The_Reaper? To my idea, which in essence is all about not holding back and go full throttle on Blofeld and SPECTRE, albeit in a more beloved Bond-esque way I think. More screentime for Blofeld, YET he hides in complete secrecy, FRWL-style.
Or, are you referring to @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 's Marvel-esque idea, which in essence sounds -forgive me for saying this @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7- more like his belief in what he thinks will happen. Not necessarily his desired treatment of Blofeld and SPECTRE.
My idea:
@0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 's idea:
Have to disagree with you. Ian Fleming's version of SPECTRE was a result of the times. Post War Soviet paranoia. That had shifted through Moore's years, to Dalton, to the Post-Cold war Bond. Then Post 9-11 Bond. Bond is a product of the times, and it would be silly and outdated to do this whole Russian paranoia thing again.
Michael G. Wilson said it the best, that whatever scares people is what Bond's next mission should be. The last decade and a half it's been terrorism and it's anonymity.
This is right. Apart from the fact that Dalton did screentest. The only Bonds not to screentest are Connery and Moore and Brosnan only in 1986.
Splendid ideas really. But I don't believe it will be anything like that.
Bond 25 will maybe feature Spectre as an organisation and maybe feature Blofeld, but if the franchise has taught us anything then that continuation is not its forte. And it didn't need to be anyway.
Waltz coming back is highly unlikely. Not only would he have to be free when Bond 25 will get made but also he would have to be interested and he couldn't ask for too much money.
Furthermore he would be the first main villain to return. It won't happen.
@DaltonCraig007, you're somewhat missing my point here. The Craig era has been all about connecting the films, especially with the latest ones. SP changed a lot of things in this era and shook it up big time. If Dan comes back, so will Madeleine, Blofeld and SPECTRE, as they were massive parts of SP and would be vital in Bond 25 to tell the story they plan on telling. That is a fact. EON aren't just going to forget all that's been developed in SP. They are aware that consumers will eat up Bond, and they're going to tell the story they want, knowing people will flock no matter what.
By saying the audiences will accept anything they're given adds more weight to my claim than yours. If they will take anything, EON will continue to connect the dots of Bond 25 with SP with the assurance that appetites will always be high for Bond, especially with Dan in the leading role. We have this continuity argument once every two weeks, and each time it factors into this less and less.
It's pretty clear Bond and Madeleine are going away, and Bond is leaving MI6 (and not just going on temporary leave). It's the only thing that makes sense with what we're given. Bond just going on holiday for a while with plans to return to MI6 soon after makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
For me it's all about the splendidness of ideas, not so much about what will really happen ;-). Thanks for your remark buddy.
Oh! Splendid ideas I have a plenty!
Pierce Brosnan still kicks ass.
Bring him back. Bring Judi Dench and Samantha Bond back. And Colin Salmon. And Robbie Coltrane. And Joe Don Baker and John Cleese.
It's 15 years since the happenings of DAD.
Pierce has since been retired but now he has to fight one last war for M.
A dangerous ghost of the past has returned. Ernst Stavro Blofeld (played by Michael Caine).
So M asks Bond to return to the service. His wife, Moneypenny, doesn't approve at first, but she gets he has to do it.
The movie will be some mixture of John Wick, Quantum Of Solace, The November Man and Mamma Mia. Pierce can sing you know.
Sounds like another Bond film directed by Lee Tamahori
DC can sing too.
Considering Bond needed to give his old life up to go with Madeleine (and in front of M he tosses his gun and walks away without a word), then takes off with Madeleine at the end after Q makes it pretty clear he's going away, it's pretty darn obvious what Bond is doing.
He knows Madeleine won't accept him while he's still attached to MI6, so he had to let that part of himself go to head off with her. He's not just taking a week or two off, he's doing this with his future in mind.
Bond has been known to do rogue things in the past on many occasions in the films, and even more so recently. So throwing the gun in the river and walking away with Madeline rather than putting a bullet in Blofeld's head is hardly conclusive. I'd throw the gun away in the spur of the moment as well if I had just decided not to kill the author of all my pain. It's symbolic more than literal.
Who knows what happened between that time and his picking up the Aston. It could be the 'overdue holiday' he mentions at the start, or it could indeed be that he is leaving for good.
Regarding Madeliene and her protests in London, there are other instances of Bond girls saying one thing and then changing their mind (Anya threatening to kill Bond after the mission is over is just one example).
Ultimately they kept this open ended so they could go in a number of directions. Make it Craig's swansong (if as you say, he's left for good) or make him come back for a confrontation with Blofeld (as you prefer) or come back for a standalone (as they did with SF, and which I'd prefer).
The longer this drags inconclusively without news, the more likelihood Craig is out or we have a standalone imho.