Skyfall would have been a better movie if Pierce was the lead in lieu of Daniel

This is not me having a go at Daniel's acting ability at all or the film itself, both are great. I just think that Skyfall's narrative revolves around the idea of Bond being a bit older and more experienced. The last time we saw Craig on screen he had only just finished his becoming cinematic Bond arc. The jump Skyfall implicitly makes doesn't work for me and I can't buy it. I feel like there's been a significant gap between the end of Quantum and the start of Skyfall, a gap I can't just brush over (for me such harms the characterisation they put all that effort into). The film also requires me to be really invested in the Judi Dench M relationship. They have only had two films together so far, and in those films I felt that what they achieved was the establishment of some great groundwork for that relationship, ready to be pushed even further in later installments. It really felt like it was too early to tear what they had built up down. Why Pierce would have been better is that he always portrayed Bond as a weathered character who is tortured, and out of his time somewhat (Skyfall tries to do this but it doesn't gel with how Craig acted in the last two). Plus his relationship with Judi Dench's M was even more developed, and the two had much better chemistry in my opinion. Craig crying at the end for her felt un-earned and completely out of character for this Bond. To me this film felt like Pervis and Wade were writing for the Brosnan character again.

What do you lot think?
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  • Posts: 1,055
    No.......it would of not been better with Brosnan!
  • Why?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger regnifrednuhT
    Posts: 34,661
    You must be joking. Have a cookie.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Ha Ha.

    This is funny. I needed that.
  • give me reasons
  • i wanted a discussion
  • Posts: 6,601
    LoL, what else is there to say?
  • so none of you have any arguments what so ever?
  • Posts: 1,475
    And GE would have been a proper Bondfilm if Dalton had done it. Life sucks, eh.
  • I agree with you on the Dalton point
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger regnifrednuhT
    Posts: 34,661
    give me cookies

    Your wife says no
    i wanted a cookie

    Life is hard.

  • edited November 2015 Posts: 1,055
    I'll say one thing, Brosnan would of probably had a better haircut........than the one DC ended up sporting for SF which was close to being a skin head! :)
  • Posts: 12,224
    so none of you have any arguments what so ever?

    Here's mine: you are sealioning. Thank you. Goodbye.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Skyfall is starring Pierce Brosnan.

    Oh wait...that's The World Is Not Enough...

    I was wondering myself sometimes if Skyfall could have been made with Brosnan.

    First of all, Skyfall is a blatant rip-off of TWINE and GE (Alec Trevelyan character).

    The relationship with M and Bond is the same for Brosnan and Craig.

    Brosnan would have been fine in Skyfall.

    Skyfall may have lush production values compared to TWINE but then it was made in 2012 and TWINE in 1999 which makes all the difference, just look at the budget difference.

    Of course you will make no friends here with such theories.

    Truth be told, the biggest difference between CR and SF (and now Spectre) to the Brosnan era is the budget and production value on all levels.

    If GoldenEye or TND would have had the same budget as QOS or SF, they would have looked quite different.

    Also never forget that the exact same Purvis and Wade are responsible for every script since TND.

    The second biggest difference between those eras is QOS, that movie can only be imagined with Craig, it is unique.

    Also the realism was brought back and the humour more or less abandoned. Otherwise the Dalton era resembles the Craig era also quite a lot if you consider the budget difference and the vast period of time that lies between those two eras.
  • Posts: 10,762
    The Connery look ( without the wig) ;)
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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  • Posts: 1,475
    mepal1 wrote: »
    I'll say one thing, Brosnan would of probably had a better haircut........than the one DC ended up sporting for SF which was close to being a skin head! :)

    Brozzer's hair was the highlight of his movies, that barnet was just ludicrously charismatic. I'm surprised they didn't give it's own tv show.
  • I want to love Skyfall as much as eveyrone else. Its just this big off-screen character shift stops me being invested. Its nothing to do with Craig's acting or apperance. If I didn't feel this way the film would rank a lot higher in my personal rankings.
  • Posts: 12,224
    @BondJamesBond006 SF is not a rip off TWINE and GE, it takes from the same source material (the novel MR especially).
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    @BondJamesBond006 SF is not a rip off TWINE and GE, it takes from the same source material (the novel MR especially).

    Books and movies are not the same.

    SF recycled the former/rogue agent with a grudge towards M totally.
  • I could see Skyfall working better with Dalton to its not just a brosnan thing.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
    edited November 2015 Posts: 27,269
    Craig did a great job in SKYFALL, but I think that the Brosnan of THE MATADOR, THE NOVEMBER MAN and SURVIVOR would have been a great Bond, much better than what he gave us in the actual series. That later portrayal would have lifted SPECTRE considerably. That's what I would have liked to see.
  • Posts: 582
    As Noel Coward once said

    No, no, no
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 17,240
    I'd prefer SF with David Hasselhoff as Bond.
    Just for laughs, you know.

    The-Hoff-David-Hasselhoff.gif

    "M, I'm taking you to a safe place. Let's go, toots."
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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  • Why it DG in Skyf doesn't work for me. Imagine it with Lazenby films instead. First you have the tragice entry with a un-intentionally young feeling Bond - Ohmss/Casino Royale. Then you follow it with a revenge film- how DAF was intended/QOS. Then suddenly You're seeing an experienced Bond in the next one.
  • Posts: 12,224
    Ludovico wrote: »
    @BondJamesBond006 SF is not a rip off TWINE and GE, it takes from the same source material (the novel MR especially).

    Books and movies are not the same.

    SF recycled the former/rogue agent with a grudge towards M totally.

    Books and movies may not be the same, but in this instance we talk about a series of novels that actually inspired the movies, directly or indirectly. Silva has a lot from the novel's Drax, so do Trevelyan and Gustav Graves. MR might have been the most adapted novel of all of Fleming's work!
  • Maybe the better question would be, would any of Brosnan's attempts at playing bond be better if Daniel Craig had done them. And yes it would be.

    Frankly I'd sign him for another 4 films and get him to redo the lot of them no matter how old he gets. Brosnan, the man with the golden grimace as one critic said, for me killed the bond franchise and the love i had for the films from a child. Thank god for DC. He made it credible and acceptable again to admit to being a James Bond fan.
  • Speaking of skyfall/TWISNE similarities look at these lines.
    TWISNE
    Bond: I can protect you
    Hot air balloon chick: Not from him.

    Skyfall -
    Severine: How much do you know about evil?
    Bond: All there is.
    Severine: Not like him.
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