Controversial opinions about Bond films

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  • Posts: 13,263
    Chang wrote: »
    Naomie Harris is horribly miscast as Moneypenny. It just seems off.

    Agreed. Harris wasn't sexy in Skyfall and you can tell Craig was faking the attraction. She looks better in Spectre though.

    Completely disagree with this. In fact I find Harris too sexy to be Moneypenny and the shaving scene too good.
  • edited August 2015 Posts: 11,175
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Chang wrote: »
    Naomie Harris is horribly miscast as Moneypenny. It just seems off.

    Agreed. Harris wasn't sexy in Skyfall and you can tell Craig was faking the attraction. She looks better in Spectre though.

    Completely disagree with this. In fact I find Harris too sexy to be Moneypenny and the shaving scene too good.

    I think the decider is whether you instinctively smile yourself during those scenes. If you do they work, if they don't then they fail. Simple as. For me...on the whole...they worked.

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I thought there was some good chemistry between Bond and MP in SF, however their entry together into the Macau casino (where they scan the casino before Bond turns in the chip) felt so forced and out of place, as if they couldn't find any other plausible way to add in some sexual dialogue and nods to old Bond films.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Enemy of the state
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    For me, Harris is easily the best Moneypenny since Maxwell. Moneypenny doesn t need to be sexy, but this one is.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Moneypenny (Harris) is one of the few things I really liked from start to finish in SF.
    Q is one of the things I absolutely hate in SF, a total incompetent imbecile.
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    I always thought Samantha Bond was very good. A bit too early to tell with Harris. She's a bit on the stiff side sometimes (the scene with her and Craig ontop of the roof at the end of SF comes to mind), but she has her moments.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    I absolutely adore Samantha Bond. After the very, very forgettable Moneypenny in the Dalton films, they finally cast a worthy Moneypenny again and she had great chemistry with Brosnan.
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    Octopussy turned out a good film because it had to compete with Never Say Never Again
  • eddychaputeddychaput Montreal, Canada
    Posts: 364
    Birdleson wrote: »
    21st century standards? You are a fool.

    I may have expressed myself poorly. What I was getting at is that if a character does something along the same lines in a modern film, moviegoers almost everywhere would cry foul. It's a bit like how today, old movies in which Caucasian actors where 'black face' makeup to play dark skinned people is frowned upon. Is that a little clearer?
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Kostas_P wrote: »
    Octopussy turned out a good film because it had to compete with Never Say Never Again
    Probably.

    In future, Severine will be the main reason fans remember SF fondly.

  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited August 2015 Posts: 4,287
    Ursula Andress is one of the least attractive Bond girls of them all: too masculine and not my type at all.

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    A striking resemblance to this warrior woman:

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  • eddychaputeddychaput Montreal, Canada
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    TripAces wrote: »
    Ursula Andress is one of the least attractive Bond girls of them all: too masculine.

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    See Honey Ryder in this warrior woman? I do:

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    Neither is a terribly good actress.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I absolutely adore Samantha Bond. After the very, very forgettable Moneypenny in the Dalton films, they finally cast a worthy Moneypenny again and she had great chemistry with Brosnan.

    I agree that Samantha Bond had great chemistry with Brosnan but it wasn't that hard as her material was infinitely more engaging than Bliss'. Also, Samantha Bond's MP in GE was fantastic. Had she stayed on that wavelength her tenure as MP would have been far better received by me bur from TND onwards, she became highly irritating.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
    edited August 2015 Posts: 11,090
    TripAces wrote: »
    Ursula Andress is one of the least attractive Bond girls of them all: too masculine and not my type at all.

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  • eddychaputeddychaput Montreal, Canada
    edited August 2015 Posts: 364
    Birdleson wrote: »
    eddychaput wrote: »
    Birdleson wrote: »
    21st century standards? You are a fool.

    I may have expressed myself poorly. What I was getting at is that if a character does something along the same lines in a modern film, moviegoers almost everywhere would cry foul. It's a bit like how today, old movies in which Caucasian actors where 'black face' makeup to play dark skinned people is frowned upon. Is that a little clearer?

    I don't think that is an apt analogy. When Freeman Gosden and Charles Correll put on black face and took their famous radio duo AMOS 'N ANDY onto the big screen they, like Al Jolson, etc., were net actors attempting to portray black characters. James Bond is a character attempting to pass as a Japanese man, Sean Connery isn't. That is a huge difference. It isn't like Boris Karloff or Christopher Lee portraying Fu Manchu, or Mickey Rooney in BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S. Modern America seems to look for things to find offense in.

    Regardless, my problem with your original comment/response can be surmised in the name of this thread. I rarely add to this topic, but when I do I don't expect people to jump on why I'm so "wrong". I was under the impression that listing unpopular opinions on here was what it was all about.

    You make fair comments. There is a little part of me that still bristles when Bond goes through the procedure, but I guess that's something I can't help much. I can't help but think that if YOLT is remade today that wouldn't make it into the movie, but that is hypothetical and can't be proven.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Ursula Andress is one of the least attractive Bond girls of them all: too masculine and not my type at all.

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    :))
  • SarkSark Guangdong, PRC
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    Ursula Andress is one of the least attractive Bond girls of them all: too masculine and not my type at all.

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    Perfect response!!!
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    I absolutely adore Samantha Bond. After the very, very forgettable Moneypenny in the Dalton films, they finally cast a worthy Moneypenny again and she had great chemistry with Brosnan.

    I agree that Samantha Bond had great chemistry with Brosnan but it wasn't that hard as her material was infinitely more engaging than Bliss'. Also, Samantha Bond's MP in GE was fantastic. Had she stayed on that wavelength her tenure as MP would have been far better received by me bur from TND onwards, she became highly irritating.

    I thought she was good all the way through, but her last line:

    (After John Cleese catches her on the simulator)
    "That's rather hard isn't it?"
    "Yes...very"

    Urgh.

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    The writing during Craig's era is not any better than it was during the Brosnan era.
    QOS and Skyfall both are a mess script wise. Even CR's writing is awkward towards the end of the movie.
    TWINE was better written than SF which is practically a remake of TWINE.
    I'm only talking script here and not execution! Of course SF is superior to TWINE for instance.
  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    Twine is better than rope
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    Rope unravels, twine just snaps. Either way, when you're hanging from it, you squash due to skyfall.
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    I absolutely adore Samantha Bond. After the very, very forgettable Moneypenny in the Dalton films, they finally cast a worthy Moneypenny again and she had great chemistry with Brosnan.

    I agree that Samantha Bond had great chemistry with Brosnan but it wasn't that hard as her material was infinitely more engaging than Bliss'. Also, Samantha Bond's MP in GE was fantastic. Had she stayed on that wavelength her tenure as MP would have been far better received by me bur from TND onwards, she became highly irritating.

    Samantha Bond was decent casting in the Lois Maxwell mould. She did have good chemistry with Brosnan as well.

    Naomi Harris however seems a bit lost as MP. I'm not sure she particularly likes playing the role. She is also strangely wooden. If they wanted a young(ish) black British actress i am sure there were other, more enthusiastic and more talented options.

    Has anyone else noticed the awful dialogue Harris has to deliver in the SP trailer? I.e. "There's something you can't tell anyone because you don't trust anyone?" The repetition of 'anyone' just sounds really odd. And Harris just seems to be dialling it in IMO.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    If you can count on anything then it's that the writer's will waste Moneypenny in Spectre and let Q be the imbecile he was in SF.
    My only hope is that both will have like 1 minute of screen time.

    I did like Harris getting cast as Moneypenny in SF by the way, she was one of the good things in that movie, but I can't see where the writer's want to go with her.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Harris was PC casting for PC's sake. There are much better actresses out there (black and white). Whishaw is a good actor but miscast as Q. I'm not enthalled by either in their respective roles to be honest. There just both 'ok'.
  • RC7RC7
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Harris was PC casting for PC's sake.

    Not sure how you conclude that.
  • Posts: 11,425
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Harris was PC casting for PC's sake. There are much better actresses out there (black and white). Whishaw is a good actor but miscast as Q. I'm not enthalled by either in their respective roles to be honest. There just both 'ok'.

    I agree. Neither worked particularly well for me in SF, but then nothing worked very well for me in that lumbering behemoth of a disappointment.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    Getafix wrote: »


    Has anyone else noticed the awful dialogue Harris has to deliver in the SP trailer? I.e. "There's something you can't tell anyone because you don't trust anyone?" The repetition of 'anyone' just sounds really odd. And Harris just seems to be dialling it in IMO.

    Yes, I noticed that too. Hopefully with a bit of context it shall be alright. Harris sucks at expository lines I find.
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    royale65 wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »


    Has anyone else noticed the awful dialogue Harris has to deliver in the SP trailer? I.e. "There's something you can't tell anyone because you don't trust anyone?" The repetition of 'anyone' just sounds really odd. And Harris just seems to be dialling it in IMO.

    Yes, I noticed that too. Hopefully with a bit of context it shall be alright. Harris sucks at expository lines I find.

    Yes. But it's understandable with lines that poorly written. I actually can't believe that particular piece of clunkiness wasn't picked up in rehearsals. It would have been very easy to fix, but somehow ends up in the trailer.

    You're right though - her delivery is also awful.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I thought it would be the only one to complain about "anyone" being used twice in that scene. I'm wondering if it'll be altered or edited in the final film, perhaps more will be said and it was cut to punch it up for the trailer's length.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    edited August 2015 Posts: 4,376
    Kinda reminds me of this -


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