Skyfall: Billion Dollar Bond

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  • edited January 2013 Posts: 11,119
    RC7 wrote:
    SF is massively, financially Successful. GF and TB created a phenomenon. Irrespective of BO.

    Count me in :-). Massive destructive force our 'Skyfall' is ;-)!!! I feel only proud!
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 1,098
    001 wrote:
    Looks like skyfall has made at least a $800 million profit guessing that the film cost about $200 million.

    Anyone know how much of the profit Eon gets in percentage?

    '001' its difficult to say.................but as a very rough figure............the studio gets upto about 50% of the box office revenues back.
    But when you take into account profit, its not just the budjet you have to take off the returned revenues, but also the marketing costs, which in themselves for some high profile films can be as much as the budget.
    Basically, a big budget film has to make a shed load of money at the BO, to see a reasonable profit!

  • 001001
    Posts: 1,575
    mepal1 wrote:
    001 wrote:
    Looks like skyfall has made at least a $800 million profit guessing that the film cost about $200 million.

    Anyone know how much of the profit Eon gets in percentage?

    '001' its difficult to say.................but as a very rough figure............the studio gets upto about 50% of the box office revenues back.
    But when you take into account profit, its not just the budjet you have to take off the returned revenues, but also the marketing costs, which in themselves for some high profile films can be as much as the budget.
    Basically, a big budget film has to make a shed load of money at the BO, to see a reasonable profit!

    What about the production company Eon.
    How much do you think they get?

    Doesn't the studio claim marketing costs as a tax claim eventually?

  • edited January 2013 Posts: 1,098
    001 wrote:
    mepal1 wrote:
    001 wrote:
    Looks like skyfall has made at least a $800 million profit guessing that the film cost about $200 million.

    Anyone know how much of the profit Eon gets in percentage?

    '001' its difficult to say.................but as a very rough figure............the studio gets upto about 50% of the box office revenues back.
    But when you take into account profit, its not just the budjet you have to take off the returned revenues, but also the marketing costs, which in themselves for some high profile films can be as much as the budget.
    Basically, a big budget film has to make a shed load of money at the BO, to see a reasonable profit!

    What about the production company Eon.
    How much do you think they get?

    Doesn't the studio claim marketing costs as a tax claim eventually?

    I'am not sure without checking, the tax claims figures...........but i did read some time back, that Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson were due to receive a huge sum of money from 'SF's' profits.

    See the attached report:-

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/daniel-craig-james-bond-skyfall-390090

  • 001001
    Posts: 1,575
    mepal1 wrote:
    001 wrote:
    mepal1 wrote:
    001 wrote:
    Looks like skyfall has made at least a $800 million profit guessing that the film cost about $200 million.

    Anyone know how much of the profit Eon gets in percentage?

    '001' its difficult to say.................but as a very rough figure............the studio gets upto about 50% of the box office revenues back.
    But when you take into account profit, its not just the budjet you have to take off the returned revenues, but also the marketing costs, which in themselves for some high profile films can be as much as the budget.
    Basically, a big budget film has to make a shed load of money at the BO, to see a reasonable profit!

    What about the production company Eon.
    How much do you think they get?

    Doesn't the studio claim marketing costs as a tax claim eventually?

    I'am not sure without checking, the tax claims figures...........but i did read some time back, that Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson were due to receive a huge sum of money from 'SF's' profits.

    See the attached report:-

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/daniel-craig-james-bond-skyfall-390090

    I think they like to keep the amount they get very private.
    What about the dvd/bluray sales to come.
    What's Eon going to do with so much money?
    It's a good problem to have. :)

  • Posts: 1,098
    Yes................with 'SF' coming to the end of its theatrical run.....then its the turn of the DVD sales. Due to the excellent word of mouth the film received.......i expect the DVD sales are also going to be pretty excellent as well.........adding more to the studios coffers.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    RC7 wrote:
    SF is massively, financially Successful. GF and TB created a phenomenon. Irrespective of BO.
    Well, obviously. That was at the beginning of the series. People have gotten to know Bond now for half a century, so there is quite pragmatically little to no chance of such a thing happening again. That isn't a point for GF and TB over Skyfall, that's just common sense.
  • Posts: 6,601
    @Gustav - I am more then happy to be proved wrong ;)
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    RC7 wrote:
    SF is massively, financially Successful. GF and TB created a phenomenon. Irrespective of BO.
    Well, obviously. That was at the beginning of the series. People have gotten to know Bond now for half a century, so there is quite pragmatically little to no chance of such a thing happening again. That isn't a point for GF and TB over Skyfall, that's just common sense.

    I'm not making a point for either. I'd written quite a detailed post trying to explain what I thought the argument in this thread was about. Then realised it was just about 'that'. Some people equated SF BO to a new Bondmania, while others equated Bondmania to unbeatable BO success. It's neither. SF is a financial juggernaut, GF + TB = a phenomenon. The point is, neither of these things matter, you either like the film or you don't. Wanting something to be something does not necessarily make it so.
  • Posts: 11,119
    RC7 wrote:
    SF is massively, financially Successful. GF and TB created a phenomenon. Irrespective of BO.
    Well, obviously. That was at the beginning of the series. People have gotten to know Bond now for half a century, so there is quite pragmatically little to no chance of such a thing happening again. That isn't a point for GF and TB over Skyfall, that's just common sense.

    Hmmm, you cannot be certain of that. James Bond might have taken over the popularity that Christopher Nolan's Batman had. Remember what 'The Dark Knight Rises' did after 'The Dark Knight' at the box office? I don't see why Bond 24 can repeat such a thing. 'Skyfall' also meant a huge 'upgrade' in both quality and popularity among cinema audiences.
  • Posts: 6,601
    IMO what this thread proves is, that different people have set their hearts on different values. Wha is important for some, isn't for others. but beating each other up over it is unnecessary and won't change anybodies opinion.
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 2,015
    Well, obviously. That was at the beginning of the series. People have gotten to know Bond now for half a century, so there is quite pragmatically little to no chance of such a thing happening again. That isn't a point for GF and TB over Skyfall, that's just common sense.

    You should forget common sense when analyzing box office :)

    For instance... Let's switch to Batman. Were you around when Tim Burton's Batman was released in 1989 ? The reaction was absolutely incredible, and there was no such thing as the Internet compared to now. At that time you were lucky to have access to some IRC, and fans only had some listserv to discuss fun topics while working on their PhDs (because it was mostly in universities). And yet many believed they were living through a hype that would never be seen again.

    From your reasoning, 50 years after the TV series introducing the character, 25 years after a mega successful movie, there would have been quite pragmatically little to no chance of such a thing happening again, with the Batman Franchise. Well... it actually happened three times in a row.

    Also do you think "common sense" predicts that Star Wars VII will be only a so-so success, really ? Or that the merchandising will stay quiet ?!



  • Posts: 11,119
    Germanlady wrote:
    IMO what this thread proves is, that different people have set their hearts on different values. Wha is important for some, isn't for others. but beating each other up over it is unnecessary and won't change anybodies opinion.

    True @Germanlady . To end up a bit more positive: We haven't seen such passion on this forum ever since....since when actually. The forum is so lively, this topic is booming and everyone has an opinion about Skyfall's box office success. It only proves that Skyfall is one hell of a film.
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 421
    Germanlady wrote:
    IMO what this thread proves is, that different people have set their hearts on different values. Wha is important for some, isn't for others. but beating each other up over it is unnecessary and won't change anybodies opinion.

    True @Germanlady . To end up a bit more positive: We haven't seen such passion on this forum ever since....since when actually. The forum is so lively, this topic is booming and everyone has an opinion about Skyfall's box office success. It only proves that Skyfall is one hell of a film.

    Probably since Goran Visnjic was rumoured to be playing Bond in 2004! Those were the days! (Thanks to an annoying little troll called "mateolalac"... I shall never forget)

    But absolutely agree with the rest...
  • Posts: 1,098
    Yes...it is a bit crazy that we argue over these BO matters, probably because there is so much info that we dont actually have access to...........plus the fact none of us personally profits from the Bonds films success.

    In fact as we are part of the Bond community, i think EON should give us some free shares in thier company, so we can make some dosh out of the franchise!

    Agree? :)
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 2,015
    AgentJM7 wrote:
    Probably since Goran Visnjic was rumoured to be playing Bond in 2004!
    The webmaster (who was a she I don't know the English word you'd use) of CraigNotBond claiming to receive death threats and to receive phone calls telling of the whereabouts of their child was also a "big" moment, apart from the fact it was the clear she was not just some troll, but really deranged. I may mix with another forum, but I was here at CR time so..

    Ah... and one thinks I'm a "newcomer" :)
    mepal1 wrote:
    Yes...it is a bit crazy that we argue over these BO matters,

    As the company who "invented" this adjusted worlwide "Bond list" who is quoted everywhere, AFP-Relax, is French (and you probably never cared of it before), I apologize on belalf on my fellow countrymen for polluting everyone's mind with meaningless data !

    Ah... and one thinks they wouldn't rely on "miscellaneous sites that they've never heard of" :)

  • edited January 2013 Posts: 203
    Yay! SF will pass TDKR in the next couple of days! from Boxofficemojo:

    http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3617&p=.htm

    Around-the-World Roundup: 'Django' Repeats, 'Skyfall' Opens Huge in China

    With a few minor cuts, Skyfall opened to an incredible $34.4 million in its first seven days in China. That's nine percent ahead of The Dark Knight Rises and four percent ahead of The Amazing Spider-Man. The 23rd James Bond movie has now earned $776.6 million overseas, which ranks second all-time for a 2D-only movie behind Titanic ($1.53 billion) and sixth all-time among all titles. Worldwide, Skyfall has reached $1.079 billion, and it will pass The Dark Knight Rises ($1.081 billion) in the next day or two to become the seventh-highest-grossing movie ever.

    GG, where is your wonderful list?
  • Posts: 11,119
    mnhettia wrote:
    Yay! SF will pass TDKR in the next couple of days! from Boxofficemojo:

    http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3617&p=.htm

    Around-the-World Roundup: 'Django' Repeats, 'Skyfall' Opens Huge in China

    With a few minor cuts, Skyfall opened to an incredible $34.4 million in its first seven days in China. That's nine percent ahead of The Dark Knight Rises and four percent ahead of The Amazing Spider-Man. The 23rd James Bond movie has now earned $776.6 million overseas, which ranks second all-time for a 2D-only movie behind Titanic ($1.53 billion) and sixth all-time among all titles. Worldwide, Skyfall has reached $1.079 billion, and it will pass The Dark Knight Rises ($1.081 billion) in the next day or two to become the seventh-highest-grossing movie ever.

    GG, where is your wonderful list?

    Tonight I will give the update ;-).
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 2,015
    mnhettia wrote:
    Skyfall opened to an incredible $34.4 million in its first seven days in China. That's nine percent ahead of The Dark Knight Rises and four percent ahead of The Amazing Spider-Man.

    Let's hope Jacob Lew's signature will help people realize you don't have necessarily to use the dollar as the universal measurement.

    Let's do it with viewers :

    In its first seven days, Skyfall was seen by more than 6M Chinese, that's 20% more than TASM and TDKR (about 5M each). Yes, 20%. At least that IS an increase, 4% ahead is statistical noise :)

    Now, should we taken into account the increase of number of cinemas over the last 6 months (which is indeed significant).

    Well, I won't invent another French adjustement method like the one for TB. Because the truth is that Chinese box office is not something "stable" at all yet. I mean, in 2012, in some weeks, you had more than 20M viewers going to the movies, and in some others, less than 6M (Wrath of the Titans was once #1 there with 1M viewers "only") !

    Claiming you need to introduce the square root of the annual rate of theater increase to account for the difference between TDKR and SF would be theoretically correct, but ultimately ridiculous..

  • edited February 2013 Posts: 11,119
    Another update of the 'Spy/Action Movies-list', know with the China-figures included. As of January 30th 2013, 'Skyfall' is only a few days away of beating that other huge box office success, Christopher Nolan's 'The Dark Knight Rises'.

    I was expecting $90 Million from the China box office after its run there. But now the first week gross in China is known -an incredible $34.4 Million- that prediction might be a bit too careful.

    Besides agent 007, it is perhaps funny to notice that 'Taken 2' managed to overtake another Christopher Nolan directed Batman-movie. 'Taken 2', starring ex-Bond girl Famke Janssen, now stands at $374,187,209, compared to the $372,710,015 from 'Batman Begins' (2005).

    Note for the reader: Take in mind that for, more or less, accurate comparisons, most of the below action/spy movies are produced in 1987 or later. Actually, most of them were produced after the 1990's. All movies in this list are 2D movies!

    Furthermore, I have updated the list in such a way now, so that you can also use it as a 'watchlist'. Movies with a '▪' are part of a spy/actionhero movie franchise. Movies with a '▫' are rebooted movies or remakes. Movies with a '∞' are based on previous tv-series.



    The standings of the 'Spy/Action Movies-list', *UPDATED WEDNESDAY JANUARY 30TH 2013*:
    001) $1,081,041,287 -- 'Batman 8: The Dark Knight Rises' (2012) IMDB: 8.8
    _____domestic (US) gross: $448,139,099 - 41.5%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $632,902,188 - 58.5%
    002) $1,078,544,126 -- 'JAMES BOND 23: SKYFALL' (2012, 97 DAYS IN CINEMAS) IMDB: 8.0 ▪
    _____DOMESTIC (US) GROSS: $302,044,126 - 28.0%
    _____FOREIGN (REST) GROSS: $776,500,000 - 72.0%

    003) $1,004,558,444 -- 'Batman 7: The Dark Knight' (2008) IMDB: 9.0 ▪
    _____domestic (US) gross: $534,858,444 - 53.2%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $469,700,000 - 46.8%
    004) $825,532,764 -- 'Inception' (2010) IMDB: 8.8
    _____domestic (US) gross: $292,576,195 - 35.4%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $532,956,569 - 64.6%
    005) $786,636,033 -- 'Indiana Jones And The Kingdom Of The Crystal Skull' (2008) IMDB: 6.4 ▪
    _____domestic (US) gross: $317,101,119 - 40.3%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $469,534,914 - 59.7%
    006) $694,713,380 -- 'Mission: Impossible 4 - Ghost Protocol' (2011) IMDB: 7.4 ▪ ∞
    _____domestic (US) gross: $209,397,903 - 30.1%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $485,315,477 - 69.9%
    007) $624,386,746 -- 'Hancock' (2008) IMDB: 6.5
    _____domestic (US) gross: $227,946,274 - 36.5%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $396,440,472 - 63.5%
    008) $599,045,960 -- 'James Bond 21: Casino Royale' (2006) IMDB: 7.9 ▪ ▫ ∞
    _____domestic (US) gross: $167,445,960 - 28.0%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $431,600,000 - 72.0%

    009) $586,090,727 -- 'James Bond 22: Quantum Of Solace' (2008) IMDB: 6.7 ▪
    _____domestic (US) gross: $168,368,427 - 28.7%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $417,722,300 - 71.3%

    010) $546,388,105 -- 'Mission: Impossible 2' (2000) IMDB: 5.9 ▪ ∞
    _____domestic (US) gross: $215,409,889 - 39.4%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $330,978,216 - 60.6%
    011) $543,848,418 -- 'Sherlock Holmes 2: A Game Of Shadows' (2011) IMDB: 7.6 ▪ ∞
    _____domestic (US) gross: $186,848,418 - 34.4%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $357,000,000 - 65.6%
    012) $524,028,679 -- 'Sherlock Holmes 1' (2009) IMDB: 7.5 ▪ ∞
    _____domestic (US) gross: $209,028,679 - 39.9%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $315,000,000 - 60.1%
    013) $478,207,520 -- 'Mr. And Mrs. Smith' (2005) IMDB: 6.4 ▪
    _____domestic (US) gross: $186,336,279 - 39.0%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $291,871,241 - 61.0%
    014) $474,171,806 -- 'Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade' (1989) IMDB: 8.3 ▪
    _____domestic (US) gross: $197,171,806 - 41.6%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $277,000,000 - 58.4%
    015) $457,696,359 -- 'Mission: Impossible' (1996) IMDB: 7.0 ▪ ∞
    _____domestic (US) gross: $180,981,856 - 39.5%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $276,714,503 - 60.5%
    016) $450,717,150 -- 'Ocean's Eleven' (2001) IMDB: 7.7 ▪ ▫
    _____domestic (US) gross: $183,417,150 - 40.7%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $267,300,000 - 59.3%
    017) $442,824,138 -- 'The Bourne Ultimatum' (2007) IMDB: 8.1 ▪
    _____domestic (US) gross: $227,471,070 - 51.4%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $215,353,068 - 48.6%
    018) $431,971,116 -- 'James Bond 20: Die Another Day' (2002) IMDB: 6.0 ▪
    _____domestic (US) gross: $160,942,139 - 37.3%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $271,028,977 - 62.7%

    019) $411,348,924 -- 'Batman 1' (1989) IMDB: 7.6 ▪ ▫ ∞
    _____domestic (US) gross: $251,188,924 - 61.1%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $160,160,000 - 38.9%
    020) $397,850,012 -- 'Mission: Impossible 3' (2006) IMDB: 6.8 ▪ ∞
    _____domestic (US) gross: $134,029,801 - 33.7%
    _____foreign (rest) gross: $263,820,211 - 66.3%
    021) $383,531,464 -- 'Die Hard 4: Live Free Or Die Hard' (2007) IMDB: 7.4 ▪
    022) $378,882,411 -- 'True Lies' (1994) IMDB: 7.2
    023) $374,187,209 -- 'Taken 2' (2012) IMDB: 6.6
    024) $372,710,015 -- 'Batman 6: Batman Begins' (2005) IMDB: 8.3 ▪ ▫
    025) $366,101,666 -- 'Die Hard 3: Die Hard With A Vengeance' (1995) IMDB: 7.3 ▪
    026) $362,744,280 -- 'Ocean's Twelve' (2004) IMDB: 6.2 ▪
    027) $361,832,400 -- 'James Bond 19: The World Is Not Enough' (1999) IMDB: 6.3
    028) $352,194,034 -- 'James Bond 17: GoldenEye' (1995) IMDB: 7.2
    029) $352,114,312 -- 'Catch Me If You Can' (2002) IMDB: 7.9
    030) $341,433,252 -- 'Wanted' (2008) IMDB: 6.7 ▪
    031) $333,011,068 -- 'James Bond 18: Tomorrow Never Dies' (1997) IMDB: 6.4
    032) $321,731,527 -- 'Lethal Weapon 3' (1992) IMDB: 6.6 ▪
    033) $311,312,624 -- 'Ocean's Thirteen' (2007) IMDB: 6.9 ▪
    034) $300,428,192 -- 'The Expendables 2' (2012) IMDB: 7.1
    035) $293,503,354 -- 'Salt' (2010) IMDB: 6.4
    036) $288,500,217 -- 'The Bourne Supremacy' (2004) IMDB: 7.7 ▪
    037) $285,444,603 -- 'Lethal Weapon 4' (1998) IMDB: 6.5 ▪
    038) $278,346,189 -- 'The Tourist' (2010) IMDB: 5.9
    039) $277,448,382 -- 'xXx 1' (2002) IMDB: 5.7 ▪
    040) $276,144,750 -- 'The Bourne Legacy' (2012) IMDB: 6.9
    041) $274,470,394 -- 'The Expendables' (2010) IMDB: 6.5 ▪
    042) $264,105,545 -- 'Charlie's Angels 1' (2000) IMDB: 5.5 ▪ ∞
    043) $261,930,436 -- 'Knight And Day' (2010) IMDB: 6.3
    044) $255,000,211 -- 'Cliffhanger' (1993) IMDB: 6.3
    045) $259,175,788 -- 'Charlie's Angels 2: Full Throttle' (2003) IMDB: 4.7 ▪ ∞
    046) $240,031,094 -- 'Die Hard 2: Die Harder' (1990) IMDB: 7.1 ▪
    047) $230,685,453 -- 'Get Smart' (2007) IMDB: 6.6 ∞
    048) $227,853,986 -- 'Lethal Weapon 2' (1989) IMDB: 7.1 ▪
    049) $226,830,568 -- 'Taken' (2009) IMDB: 7.9 ▪
    050) $217,764,291 -- 'Collateral' (2004) IMDB: 7.6
    051) $215,887,717 -- 'Jack Ryan 3: Clear And Present Danger' (1994) IMDB: 6.8 ▪
    052) $214,034,224 -- 'The Bourne Identity' (2002) IMDB: 7.9 ▪ ▫
    053) $212,404,396 -- 'Entrapment' (1999) IMDB: 6.1
    054) $207,884,401 -- 'Safe House' (2012) IMDB 6.8
    055) $200,512,643 -- 'Jack Ryan 1: The Hunt For Red October' (1990) IMDB: 7.6 ▪
    056) $199,006,387 -- 'Red' (2010) IMDB: 7.0
    057) $193,921,372 -- 'Jack Ryan 4: The Sum Of All Fears' (2002) IMDB: 6.3 ▪
    058) $191,185,897 -- 'James Bond 15: The Living Daylights' (1987) IMDB: 6.7
    059) $189,246,033 -- 'Argo' (2012) IMDB: 8.3
    060) $183,537,501 -- 'Jack Reacher' (2012) IMDB: 7.2
    061) $178,051,587 -- 'Jack Ryan 2: Patriot Games' (1992) IMDB: 6.9 ▪
    062) $177,238,796 -- 'The A-Team' (2010) IMDB: 6.8 ▪ ∞
    063) $176,070,171 -- 'The Italian Job' (2003) IMDB: 6.9 ▪ ▫
    064) $170,268,750 -- 'Starsky And Hutch' (2004) IMDB: 6.0 ∞
    065) $159,330,280 -- 'The Jackal' (1997) IMDB: 6.1 ▫
    066) $156,491,279 -- 'This Means War' (2012) IMDB: 6.3
    067) $156,167,015 -- 'James Bond 16: Licence To Kill' (1989) IMDB: 6.5
    068) $143,049,560 -- 'Spy Game' (2001) IMDB: 6.9
    069) $140,767,956 -- 'Die Hard 1' (1988) IMDB: 8.3 ▪
    070) $130,786,397 -- 'Unknown' (2011) IMDB: 6.9
    071) $126,690,726 -- 'Law Abiding Citizen' (2009) IMDB: 7.3
    072) $124,305,181 -- 'The Thomas Crown Affair' (1999) IMDB: 6.7 ▫
    073) $120,207,127 -- 'Lethal Weapon 1' (1987) IMDB: 7.6 ▪
    074) $118,063,304 -- 'The Saint' (1997) IMDB: 6.0 ∞
    075) $115,097,286 -- 'Body Of Lies' (2008) IMDB: 7.1
    076) $104,391,623 -- 'The Tuxedo' (2002) IMDB: 5.0
    077) $101,191,884 -- 'The Recruit' (2003) IMDB: 6.5
    078) $099,965,792 -- 'Hitman' (2007) IMDB: 6.2
    079) $099,480,480 -- 'The Good Sheperd' (2007) IMDB: 6.8
    080) $098,159,963 -- 'Killers' (2010) IMDB: 5.2
    081) $096,105,964 -- 'The Manchurian Candidate' (2004) IMDB: 6.6 ▫
    082) $094,882,549 -- 'Green Zone' (2010) IMDB: 6.9
    083) $089,456,761 -- 'The Long Kiss Goodnight' (1996) IMDB: 6.7
    084) $085,416,905 -- 'Max Payne' (2008) IMDB: 5.7
    085) $082,087,155 -- 'Abduction' (2011) IMDB: 4.7
    086) $080,630,608 -- 'Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy' (2011) IMDB: 7.1 ∞
    087) $071,022,693 -- 'xXx 2: State Of The Union' (2005) IMDB: 4.1 ▪
    088) $070,692,101 -- 'Ronin' (1998) IMDB: 7.2
    089) $067,876,281 -- 'The American' (2010) IMDB: 6.4
    090) $065,977,295 -- 'Bad Company' (2002) IMDB: 5.4
    091) $060,965,854 -- 'Colombiana' (2011) IMDB: 6.2
    092) $060,222,298 -- 'The Ghost Writer' (2010) IMDB: 7.3
    093) $060,161,391 -- 'The International' (2009) IMDB: 6.5
    094) $056,308,881 -- 'Lucky Number Slevin' (2007) IMDB: 7.8
    095) $052,826,594 -- 'From Paris With Love' (2010) IMDB: 6.4
    096) $051,070,807 -- 'The Mechanic' (2011) IMDB: 6.5
    097) $050,732,945 -- 'I Spy' (2002) IMDB: 5.3 ∞
    098) $044,548,542 -- 'Red Dawn' (2012) IMDB: 5.7
    099) $041,771,168 -- 'The Informant!' (2009) IMDB: 6.5
    100) $033,372,606 -- 'Haywire' (2012) IMDB: 5.9
    101) $028,008,462 -- 'The Tailor Of Panama' (2001) IMDB: 6.1
    102) $027,664,173 -- 'Traitor' (2008) IMDB: 7.0
    103) $027,038,732 -- 'Rendition' (2007) IMDB: 6.8
    104) $024,188,922 -- 'Fair Game' (2010) IMDB: 6.8
    105) $019,924,033 -- 'Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever' (2002) IMDB: 3.5
    106) $016,933,380 -- 'Largo Winch 1: The Heir Apparent' (2008) IMDB: 6.4
    107) $015,705,007 -- 'Enigma' (2001) IMDB: 6.4
    108) $014,046,075 -- 'Largo Winch 2' (2011) IMDB: 6.0
    109) $008,112,712 -- 'Spartan' (2004) IMDB: 6.7
    110) $000,933,549 -- 'Michel Vaillant' (2003) IMDB: 5.0



    Going back to 'Skyfall'......the Thunderball-esque box office craziness has severe implications for the 'All Time Box Office'-list from BoxOfficeMojo.com (Yes @Suivez_ce_parachute, I am still using BoxOfficeMojo as a source. Because do you actually know how much work it is to update the entire list down below? Moreover, if you can see it as 'approximate figures' then it's not necessary to prove 'this' or 'that'. Have some fun/passion about 'Skyfall' ;-))

    Because the newly published Chinese box office figures are in place now, 'The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey' is starting to lag behind a bit on 'Skyfall'. 'Skyfall' will keep rising on this list and it now has a good chance on ending 5th now, getting rid of 'Transformers: Dark Of The Moon' (2011) and 'The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King' (2003). This will then be a unique achievement for a 2D-film, with only 'Titanic' (1998) still higher on that list.


    The standings of the 'All Time Box Office'-list are now:
    01) $2,782.3 -- 'Avatar' (2009)
    02) $2,185.4 -- 'Titanic' (1998) *2D*
    03) $1,511.8 -- 'Marvel's The Avengers' (2012)
    04) $1,328.1 -- 'Harry Potter And The Deathly Hallows Part 2' (2011)
    05) $1,123.7 -- 'Transformers: Dark Of The Moon' (2011)
    06) $1,119.9 -- 'The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King' (2003) *2D*
    07) $1,081.0 -- 'The Dark Knight Rises' (2012) *2D*
    08) $1,078.5 -- 'JAMES BOND - SKYFALL' (2012) *2D*
    09) $1,066.2 -- 'Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest' (2006) *2D*
    10) $1,063.2 -- 'Toy Story ' (2010)
    20) $0,939.9 -- 'The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey' (2012)
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    RC7 wrote:
    SF is massively, financially Successful. GF and TB created a phenomenon. Irrespective of BO.
    Well, obviously. That was at the beginning of the series. People have gotten to know Bond now for half a century, so there is quite pragmatically little to no chance of such a thing happening again. That isn't a point for GF and TB over Skyfall, that's just common sense.

    Hmmm, you cannot be certain of that. James Bond might have taken over the popularity that Christopher Nolan's Batman had. Remember what 'The Dark Knight Rises' did after 'The Dark Knight' at the box office? I don't see why Bond 24 can repeat such a thing. 'Skyfall' also meant a huge 'upgrade' in both quality and popularity among cinema audiences.

    In all fairness, looking at Batman's BO a big portion of the success has nothing to do with batman or even the headlining acting talent. It's Nolan. It's all Nolan. TDK was a great movie and audiences responded to it. Nolan waited 4 years to do a follow up and in between that time, he was cementing blockbuster goodwill with inception, thus increasing the anticipation of TDKR and again, audiences responded in a major way. The DK trilogy is exactly that; a trilogy and most importantly it's Nolan's trilogy. I think it's a bit strange to say Bond has taken over Batman's popularity because for starters Bond's cinematic history is unrivaled and secondly you're comparing a long running series to a finite trilogy of movies, where the movies have remained mostly consistent. SF is just one Bond movie that's proven to be a huge success, which is sort of an anomaly within the series because for decades, the series has been inconsistent from a critical acclaim standpoint but the BO takings have comparatively remained somewhat consistent.

    If there was ever a test to discrediting SF as a fluke/anomoly then Bond 24Bond really needs to deliver but at this point, I'd rather wait and see than declare with blind optimism, we'll get repeat success akin to SF. If Bond 24 does deliver then I'd be more optimistic about Bond 25.

    Regarding Bond's popularity, the character is embedded within the fabric of popular culture like no other cinematic fictional character. Depending on how you look at it, Bond doesn't have the "luxury" or "advantage" of being just a trilogy. Bond keeps on going and going and that in itself is an unrivaled achievement. More people will go and see and respond favorably to a Bond film than a batman film. However, will more people see and respond better to a Nolan batman film than a Bond film? At this point it doesn't even matter because Nolan is done and Bond is't going anywhere. Regardless, Bond's popularity maybe at its highest now than it's ever been for decades but I wouldn't say Bond's popularity was ever under threat by batman. Bond needs the competition, like batman and Bourne if at least to reignite credibility within the series but Bond's just too popular to ever become unpopular if that makes sense. I just hope the Bond flicks for the next few movies at least, maintain the level of quality brought by CR and SF and if that can be achieved I don't see wht Bond can pull in over in excess of $700million at least.
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 11,119
    doubleoego wrote:
    RC7 wrote:
    SF is massively, financially Successful. GF and TB created a phenomenon. Irrespective of BO.
    Well, obviously. That was at the beginning of the series. People have gotten to know Bond now for half a century, so there is quite pragmatically little to no chance of such a thing happening again. That isn't a point for GF and TB over Skyfall, that's just common sense.

    Hmmm, you cannot be certain of that. James Bond might have taken over the popularity that Christopher Nolan's Batman had. Remember what 'The Dark Knight Rises' did after 'The Dark Knight' at the box office? I don't see why Bond 24 can repeat such a thing. 'Skyfall' also meant a huge 'upgrade' in both quality and popularity among cinema audiences.

    In all fairness, looking at Batman's BO a big portion of the success has nothing to do with batman or even the headlining acting talent. It's Nolan. It's all Nolan. TDK was a great movie and audiences responded to it. Nolan waited 4 years to do a follow up and in between that time, he was cementing blockbuster goodwill with inception, thus increasing the anticipation of TDKR and again, audiences responded in a major way. The DK trilogy is exactly that; a trilogy and most importantly it's Nolan's trilogy. I think it's a bit strange to say Bond has taken over Batman's popularity because for starters Bond's cinematic history is unrivaled and secondly you're comparing a long running series to a finite trilogy of movies, where the movies have remained mostly consistent. SF is just one Bond movie that's proven to be a huge success, which is sort of an anomaly within the series because for decades, the series has been inconsistent from a critical acclaim standpoint but the BO takings have comparatively remained somewhat consistent.

    If there was ever a test to discrediting SF as a fluke/anomoly then Bond 24Bond really needs to deliver but at this point, I'd rather wait and see than declare with blind optimism, we'll get repeat success akin to SF. If Bond 24 does deliver then I'd be more optimistic about Bond 25.

    Regarding Bond's popularity, the character is embedded within the fabric of popular culture like no other cinematic fictional character. Depending on how you look at it, Bond doesn't have the "luxury" or "advantage" of being just a trilogy. Bond keeps on going and going and that in itself is an unrivaled achievement. More people will go and see and respond favorably to a Bond film than a batman film. However, will more people see and respond better to a Nolan batman film than a Bond film? At this point it doesn't even matter because Nolan is done and Bond is't going anywhere. Regardless, Bond's popularity maybe at its highest now than it's ever been for decades but I wouldn't say Bond's popularity was ever under threat by batman. Bond needs the competition, like batman and Bourne if at least to reignite credibility within the series but Bond's just too popular to ever become unpopular if that makes sense. I just hope the Bond flicks for the next few movies at least, maintain the level of quality brought by CR and SF and if that can be achieved I don't see wht Bond can pull in over in excess of $700million at least.

    Hey, first of all, let me be frank: I love the Batman-trilogy, directed by Christopher Nolan! I love all three of them. As a matter of fact, I love the realism he brought to this action hero. Not only that, instead of continuing the rather cheesy pre-Nolan Batman films, he made Batman relevant again in today's political environment. I only have praise for that.

    I also think by saying 'James Bond' has taken over the popularity of 'Batman', I am not overstating things and I do not think it sounds strange either. Because when I saw 'The Dark Knight' and 'The Dark Knight Rises', I kept saying to myself "Dammit, I love these movies, but Nolan could have revived my beloved Bond films in a similar way! But it hasn't happened yet! Grrrr!". Call me a bit jealous......and I was a bit jealous. I openly admit it :-).

    Until 'Skyfall'. You can not deny that both Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson wanted to make the next Bond film at leastttt as big and perhaps even bigger than 'The Dark Knight Rises'. I saw it happening from the very first moment the cast for 'Skyfall' was announced. "Now we're going to see it dear Bond fans :-P. Bond will become as frikkin' big and good as Nolan's Batman!".

    And exactly that has happened. James Bond with 'Skyfall' is now heavily upgraded to the 'grandness' of the Nolan Batman films. The two franchises are different yes, but in a way have also a lot in common. Nolan got inspired by Bond and made Bruce Wayne a bit more Bond-esque. Sam Mendes in return got his inspiration from Batman and included some action hero-like scenes, for instance Bond jumping on the elevator.

    Moreover, as you already mentioned, the Batman-trilogy is over, but not Bond, putting Bond really back in the drivers seat of leading 2D action franchises. That's what we are witnessing with Bond now....and that is quite unique.

    That fact alone makes me......happy :-).
  • edited January 2013 Posts: 203
    SF is quite the achievement beacuse;

    1. James Bond as a film character has saturated the market for 50 years. it has been going on for 5 decades and doubleogo as you mentioned it keeps going on. Therefore, before SF opened I did not think it would pass the 900 million mark it my wildest imagination. It is amazing how SF attracted new people to see a bond movie - the test for bond 24 will be to see if they continue to patronize bond or if it was a one time thing (due to M's story?, 50th anniversary?, Adele's song? ... not likely) or maybe SF just hit the pulse of the global audiance.

    2. Also look at the all time list? Out of the top 7, 4 seems to be defenite closures to the respective franchise. HP: DH2, LOTR:ROK, TDKR and T:DM (yes, I included this cause at the time it seems like this would be the last one, same with LOTR). Avengers had the buildup of the stand alone superhero movies and the novelty of the concept. Titanic is a one time thing and Avatar had the novelty of the first truely immersive 3D. Although Cameron movies are a phenomenon on its own. Considering these things SF eventualy placeing on 7th is quite an acheivment.

    01) $2,782.3 -- 'Avatar' (2009)
    02) $2,185.4 -- 'Titanic' (1998) *2D*
    03) $1,511.8 -- 'Marvel's The Avengers' (2012)
    04) $1,328.1 -- 'Harry Potter And The Deathly Hallows Part 2' (2011)
    05) $1,123.7 -- 'Transformers: Dark Of The Moon' (2011)06) $1,119.9 -- 'The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King' (2003) *2D*
    07) $1,081.0 -- 'The Dark Knight Rises' (2012) *2D*


    So I will be happy if Bond maintains the same quality as SF. Although, I think CR is overall the better movie (complete package). Why did CR not make a billion dollars? who knows what the global audiance thinks? I hope fans won't feel let down if bond 24, 25 only earns around 900 million.
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    What a fantastic Box office performance for Bond! Superb stuff! =D>
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    Did someone say Nolan is done are you crazy he is the 2nd most powerful director in hollywood behind a certain someone. After the success of the dark knight trilogy and Inception he is one of the few directors that can do what he likes at almost whatever cost.I personally think Bond 24 will slip back from Skyfall as it is has the hallmarks of a one of box office mega hit Bond 24 will not have the endless list of advantages Skyfall had. Still $850 mil is the minimum for Bond 24 but i doubt it can match the $1.1 billion of Skyfall final run.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    If you bothered to read my post properly, you'd notice that it was in reference to him being done with batman as opposed to his career.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    doubleoego wrote:
    If you bothered to read my post properly, you'd notice that it was in reference to him being done with batman as opposed to his career.

    Seemed obvious to me, mate. ;)
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    Yh thanks for that just a mis read no need to be so rude. Did seem a little strange to me that he would finish his career at 42 lol. I'm hoping he does the Justice league movie otherwise i can see that being god awful and a Avengers cash in.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    htall90 wrote:
    Yh thanks for that just a mis read no need to be so rude. Did seem a little strange to me that he would finish his career at 42 lol. I'm hoping he does the Justice league movie otherwise i can see that being god awful and a Avengers cash in.

    Yeah, DC is in a tough spot. Marvel really did wonders by building up one film since 2008 and it finally paid off big, while DC only have the success of Batman to go on and no other films that even mention or set up a Justic League film. If the League is mentioned in Man of Steel maybe we will have a better idea of what DC and Warner Bros. have planned, but until then all we can do is speculate and hope for the very best.
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    I think warner bros have confirmed man of steel will lead into Justice league. Thing is warner is at loose ends at the moment financially without potter a cash cow for 10 years and Batman ending for at least 5 years so there desperate for there superhero movies to be hits so they have rushed Justice league i think. Disney has more cash cow franchise then it can manage thou lol.
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