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  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    That scene of Kirk and Scotty just observing the ship never would be shot in a movie for today. We are all about quick cuts and fast pay-offs now. A shame because these type of scenes do help with the overall feel of a film and can help with pacing.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited July 27 Posts: 26,292
    thedove wrote: »
    That scene of Kirk and Scotty just observing the ship never would be shot in a movie for today. We are all about quick cuts and fast pay-offs now. A shame because these type of scenes do help with the overall feel of a film and can help with pacing.

    Scenes need to breath, 2001 A Space Odyssey is one of my favorite films of all time, I like movies that you not just watch but experience. Star Trek The Motion Picture and The Forbidden Planet fall into the same category as 2001 for me.
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    Reminds me of STD, I am not keen on that time line or how it was realised.

    The Hogwarts of the Star Trek Universe! :D
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    RogueAgent wrote: »

    Reminds me of STD, I am not keen on that time line or how it was realised.

    The Hogwarts of the Star Trek Universe! :D

    I got those vibes, it will probably be the last show of this particular Star Trek era once Skydance take full control, thank god lol
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I admire TMP in parts, but I don’t think trying to chase 2001 was ever the right approach. It lost too much of the warmth and humor of TOS.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I admire TMP in parts, but I don’t think trying to chase 2001 was ever the right approach. It lost too much of the warmth and humor of TOS.

    I see TMP as a crew that was distanced/separated from one another (they went on there own personal journeys). By the end of the film they restore the bonds they had in TOS.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Funnily, Nimoy felt the ending didn’t go as far as he wanted in terms of restoring the bonds. Here’s the dialogue ultimately in the film.

    SCOTT: I would say it's time for that, sir, aye. We can have you back on Vulcan in for days, Mister Spock.
    SPOCK: Unnecessary, Mister Scott. My task on Vulcan is completed.

    Nimoy suggested to add some humor to the moment reminiscent of TOS, that Spock should say instead “If Dr. McCoy is to stay here, then my presence here will be essential.”


    He talks about it at 2:05

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Reminds me of STD, I am not keen on that time line or how it was realised.

    When is this one set? It seems to have cameos and easter eggs from all Trek time periods in it (which in itself is a bit worrying for a two minute trailer).
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Funnily, Nimoy felt the ending didn’t go as far as he wanted in terms of restoring the bonds. Here’s the dialogue ultimately in the film.

    SCOTT: I would say it's time for that, sir, aye. We can have you back on Vulcan in for days, Mister Spock.
    SPOCK: Unnecessary, Mister Scott. My task on Vulcan is completed.

    Nimoy suggested to add some humor to the moment reminiscent of TOS, that Spock should say instead “If Dr. McCoy is to stay here, then my presence here will be essential.”


    He talks about it at 2:05


    I have watched that before great interview, I really do see the 4K remaster of Star Trek The Motion Picture Directors Edition to be the best version of the film now. I like the serious tone of the film I can see why they did not want any tonal shift to be too jarring, I think the end of the film as it is on the 4K remaster is perfect.
    mtm wrote: »

    Reminds me of STD, I am not keen on that time line or how it was realised.

    When is this one set? It seems to have cameos and easter eggs from all Trek time periods in it (which in itself is a bit worrying for a two minute trailer).

    Shortly after Discovery I think? so way way in the future (900 years in the future from Kirk's time), having all the names of past characters etc is probably an attempt to get pre 2003 Trek fans interested.

    The Doctor is probably an EMH, only watched the trailer once.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    CBS/ Paramount has done a really terrible job with Star Trek, my goodness.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Shortly after Discovery I think? so way way in the future (900 years in the future from Kirk's time), having all the names of past characters etc is probably an attempt to get pre 2003 Trek fans interested.

    That seems kind of flimsy, given that the subset of aging fans that hate everything after 2003 is very small. They’re likely just Easter eggs.

    As for The Doctor, he’s either the EMH from Voyager, the backup from “Living Witness”, or an entirely different EMH altogether.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I only saw a bit of Discovery after the time jump as it left Netflix, but I thought the 900 years thing was a bit hard to swallow as not enough really changed in that time. Starfleet is still around and their ships more or less look the same? Kirk to them is like King Alfred is to us.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    mtm wrote: »
    I only saw a bit of Discovery after the time jump as it left Netflix, but I thought the 900 years thing was a bit hard to swallow as not enough really changed in that time. Starfleet is still around and their ships more or less look the same? Kirk to them is like King Alfred is to us.

    Because there was a century or two worth of stagnation that cut off vast systems from each other after a cataclysmic event. The academy in this new show is basically about the grand re-opening of the academy, presumably after Earth’s re-entry into the Federation.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Shortly after Discovery I think? so way way in the future (900 years in the future from Kirk's time), having all the names of past characters etc is probably an attempt to get pre 2003 Trek fans interested.

    That seems kind of flimsy, given that the subset of aging fans that hate everything after 2003 is very small. They’re likely just Easter eggs.

    As for The Doctor, he’s either the EMH from Voyager, the backup from “Living Witness”, or an entirely different EMH altogether.

    I watched the trailer again, I am spot on. I won't watch this fake Trek slop. Enjoy.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    mtm wrote: »
    I only saw a bit of Discovery after the time jump as it left Netflix, but I thought the 900 years thing was a bit hard to swallow as not enough really changed in that time. Starfleet is still around and their ships more or less look the same? Kirk to them is like King Alfred is to us.

    Because there was a century or two worth of stagnation that cut off vast systems from each other after a cataclysmic event. The academy in this new show is basically about the grand re-opening of the academy, presumably after Earth’s re-entry into the Federation.

    I remember that now yeah, regardless I thought it was too long a time gap to be explained by that.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Part of the reason for jumping specifically to the 3100s was to bypass all the time wars that were happening between 2600s and 3000s that we know from Voyager and Enterprise.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited August 4 Posts: 26,292
    The Roddenberry Archive: Lost Voyages: Phase II and the Rebirth of Star Trek


    Warp Back In Time To The Lost Star Trek Concept Art By Ralph McQuarrie and Ken Adams
    https://filmsketchr.blogspot.com/2011/12/warp-back-in-time-to-lost-star-trek.html


  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Exclusive: Scott Bakula Eyeing Star Trek Return In President Archer Series Pitch From ‘Enterprise’ Producer
    https://trekmovie.com/2025/08/08/exclusive-scott-bakula-eyeing-star-trek-return-in-president-archer-series-pitch-from-enterprise-producer/
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Would be interesting, though I think they ought to also start developing a traditional episodic flagship Trek series, as SNW will end in 2027. One of the (many) mistakes of launching DISCO first and solo was not having a traditional series concurrent with it. Let Archer’s show do something radically different within the Trek universe as a series while there’s another show carrying the flag that TOS and TNG did.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I watched the free episode of SNW they put on YouTube (first episode of the new series), I still don’t get the show I’m afraid. It’s all so insubstantial, I just can’t care about anything going on.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Which Trek shows did you typically enjoy before?
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I would be up for an Archer series; "Enterprise" is criminally underrated and maligned.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited August 10 Posts: 26,292
    I bought the Blu-ray boxset last year, Enterprise is a fantastic series, if Secret Hide Out got the boot I would be happy to see an Archer show.
    Would be interesting, though I think they ought to also start developing a traditional episodic flagship Trek series, as SNW will end in 2027. One of the (many) mistakes of launching DISCO first and solo was not having a traditional series concurrent with it. Let Archer’s show do something radically different within the Trek universe as a series while there’s another show carrying the flag that TOS and TNG did.

    I don't think much thought was put into the whole debacle, SNW does randomly have a great episode though this era of Trek has not been very good (Picard season 3 i see as separate).

  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I’m finding SNW to be too cute by half. Other than the exciting cliffhanger of S2 and the premiere episode of S3, it feels like it’s trying too hard to be cutesy.

    The original series could be “cute” but that was organically borne via storytelling and the natural chemistry the actors seemingly had….

    SNW is feeling like a cheap knock off with the actors winking at the screen…
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited August 10 Posts: 8,853
    I bought the Blu-ray boxset last year, Enterprise is a fantastic series, if Secret Hide Out got the boot I would be happy to see an Archer show.
    Would be interesting, though I think they ought to also start developing a traditional episodic flagship Trek series, as SNW will end in 2027. One of the (many) mistakes of launching DISCO first and solo was not having a traditional series concurrent with it. Let Archer’s show do something radically different within the Trek universe as a series while there’s another show carrying the flag that TOS and TNG did.

    I don't think much thought was put into the whole debacle, SNW does randomly have a great episode though this era of Trek has not been very good (Picard season 3 i see as separate).

    I honestly think people are way more generous towards S3 just for having the cast reunite alone. I enjoyed it, but I wouldn’t even say it’s been better than all of LDS or SNW.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I bought the Blu-ray boxset last year, Enterprise is a fantastic series, if Secret Hide Out got the boot I would be happy to see an Archer show.
    Would be interesting, though I think they ought to also start developing a traditional episodic flagship Trek series, as SNW will end in 2027. One of the (many) mistakes of launching DISCO first and solo was not having a traditional series concurrent with it. Let Archer’s show do something radically different within the Trek universe as a series while there’s another show carrying the flag that TOS and TNG did.

    I don't think much thought was put into the whole debacle, SNW does randomly have a great episode though this era of Trek has not been very good (Picard season 3 i see as separate).

    I honestly think people are way more generous towards S3 just for having the cast reunite alone. I enjoyed it, but I wouldn’t even say it’s been better than all of LDS or SNW.

    If I have to explain to you what Season 3 of Picard meant to me you will never understand which is fine, people like different shows with Star Trek in the title.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I bought the Blu-ray boxset last year, Enterprise is a fantastic series, if Secret Hide Out got the boot I would be happy to see an Archer show.
    Would be interesting, though I think they ought to also start developing a traditional episodic flagship Trek series, as SNW will end in 2027. One of the (many) mistakes of launching DISCO first and solo was not having a traditional series concurrent with it. Let Archer’s show do something radically different within the Trek universe as a series while there’s another show carrying the flag that TOS and TNG did.

    I don't think much thought was put into the whole debacle, SNW does randomly have a great episode though this era of Trek has not been very good (Picard season 3 i see as separate).

    I honestly think people are way more generous towards S3 just for having the cast reunite alone. I enjoyed it, but I wouldn’t even say it’s been better than all of LDS or SNW.

    If I have to explain to you what Season 3 of Picard meant to me you will never understand which is fine, people like different shows with Star Trek in the title.

    Picard season 3 was epic.

  • peterpeter Toronto
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    talos7 wrote: »
    I bought the Blu-ray boxset last year, Enterprise is a fantastic series, if Secret Hide Out got the boot I would be happy to see an Archer show.
    Would be interesting, though I think they ought to also start developing a traditional episodic flagship Trek series, as SNW will end in 2027. One of the (many) mistakes of launching DISCO first and solo was not having a traditional series concurrent with it. Let Archer’s show do something radically different within the Trek universe as a series while there’s another show carrying the flag that TOS and TNG did.

    I don't think much thought was put into the whole debacle, SNW does randomly have a great episode though this era of Trek has not been very good (Picard season 3 i see as separate).

    I honestly think people are way more generous towards S3 just for having the cast reunite alone. I enjoyed it, but I wouldn’t even say it’s been better than all of LDS or SNW.

    If I have to explain to you what Season 3 of Picard meant to me you will never understand which is fine, people like different shows with Star Trek in the title.

    Picard season 3 was epic.

    Agreed. Loved it (and I despised the second season).
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited August 10 Posts: 26,292
    I watched TNG religiously week to week when it originally aired as I know many have on here, Picard season 3 was the finale the TNG film's did not give us.

    I have no idea what they were thinking with Picard season 2, it needed wiping from continuity.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I bought the Blu-ray boxset last year, Enterprise is a fantastic series, if Secret Hide Out got the boot I would be happy to see an Archer show.
    Would be interesting, though I think they ought to also start developing a traditional episodic flagship Trek series, as SNW will end in 2027. One of the (many) mistakes of launching DISCO first and solo was not having a traditional series concurrent with it. Let Archer’s show do something radically different within the Trek universe as a series while there’s another show carrying the flag that TOS and TNG did.

    I don't think much thought was put into the whole debacle, SNW does randomly have a great episode though this era of Trek has not been very good (Picard season 3 i see as separate).

    I honestly think people are way more generous towards S3 just for having the cast reunite alone. I enjoyed it, but I wouldn’t even say it’s been better than all of LDS or SNW.

    If I have to explain to you what Season 3 of Picard meant to me you will never understand which is fine, people like different shows with Star Trek in the title.

    I get it, I just can’t get past a lot of the questionable creative choices like what they did to Beverly Crusher, more ripping off TWOK, the silly moment with the Enterprise flying like the millennium falcon, shifting away from what seemed like an intriguing Changeling story to the Borg at the last minute with no proper build up. I would have been very open to a Legacy follow up, but they killed off the most interesting character that could have lead that show which made me less interested.
    I watched TNG religiously week to week when it originally aired as I know many have on here, Picard season 3 was the finale the TNG film's did not give us.

    I have no idea what they were thinking with Picard season 2, it needed wiping from continuity.

    Terry Matalas basically pitched S2 as “what if we do Star Trek IV, but with Picard???”

    Which I guess could have worked if they didn’t forget to make it fun and lighthearted. Instead we got Picard dealing with mommy issues or some nonsense.
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