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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 14 Posts: 18,585
    Arf! :D He’s been in Aus long enough to pick up the accent.
    I did, will dig them out later.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 14,227
    I don't know anything about that Aussie chaps politics. But the Jaguar rebranding was so on the nose, it was like a pastiche how how the right see the left. If I didn't know better, I would think that Jaguar had swung to the right, playing 4D chess.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 14 Posts: 18,585
    It was just that one brand video which they shouldn't have released really; if it hadn't been for that you wouldn't get people performatively wetting their pants for clicks and calling it 'woke' all the time like that Aussie guy- it's a great big, long-bonneted selfish mega expensive luxury super motor. There's nothing 'woke' about it. It's ridiculous how so many people let culture wars colour their perception of a big bit of metal. But I guess that shows the power of marketing: folks who say it doesn't work can't really argue! :)

    I say the brand video was a poor choice but not unlike lots of other bits of PR which various companies have done over the years without people losing their minds over (my immediate reaction at seeing it was to be nonplussed- it's just standard PR guff we've seen a million times, I couldn't believe the weird overreaction to it); the rebrand is absolutely fine and looks pretty nice (and you can't call a typeface woke); the car itself looks incredibly striking. It's not pretty as such (although the rear end is quite graceful), but it's not really trying to be- it's almost more like a piece of architecture. It looks like a development of Jaguar and would turn heads, so job done IMHO. The concept of Jag repositioning to do only high-end luxury EVs on the other hand doesn't feel like it makes sense at the moment as that end of the market isn't doing too well.


    Here's some of my snaps; first the Jag pavilion and the two cars in there which were drawing a lot of attention. The car is oddly not quite as big as I thought it would be:

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    ME1B7ZW5_o.jpg
    ME1B7ZW6_o.jpg

    And the two Goldfinger cars:
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    ME1B7ZWC_o.jpg

    Here's the guy showing off the golden putter in the boot and the little 007 logo which is projected from the homer on the underside of the boot (you can just about see it on his hand:
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  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,847
    mtm wrote: »
    It was just that one brand video which they shouldn't have released really; if it hadn't been for that you wouldn't get people performatively wetting their pants for clicks and calling it 'woke' all the time like that Aussie guy- it's a great big, long-bonneted selfish mega expensive luxury super motor. There's nothing 'woke' about it. It's ridiculous how so many people let culture wars colour their perception of a big bit of metal. But I guess that shows the power of marketing: folks who say it doesn't work can't really argue! :)

    I say the brand video was a poor choice but not unlike lots of other bits of PR which various companies have done over the years without people losing their minds over (my immediate reaction at seeing it was to be nonplussed- it's just standard PR guff we've seen a million times, I couldn't believe the weird overreaction to it); the rebrand is absolutely fine and looks pretty nice (and you can't call a typeface woke); the car itself looks incredibly striking. It's not pretty as such (although the rear end is quite graceful), but it's not really trying to be- it's almost more like a piece of architecture. It looks like a development of Jaguar and would turn heads, so job done IMHO. The concept of Jag repositioning to do only high-end luxury EVs on the other hand doesn't feel like it makes sense at the moment as that end of the market isn't doing too well.


    Here's some of my snaps; first the Jag pavilion and the two cars in there which were drawing a lot of attention. The car is oddly not quite as big as I thought it would be:

    ME1B7ZW3_o.jpg
    ME1B7ZW5_o.jpg
    ME1B7ZW6_o.jpg

    And the two Goldfinger cars:
    ME1B7ZWA_o.jpg
    ME1B7ZWC_o.jpg

    Here's the guy showing off the golden putter in the boot and the little 007 logo which is projected from the homer on the underside of the boot (you can just about see it on his hand:
    ME1B7ZW8_o.jpg




    thanks for sharing those pictures!

    I still don't like the looks of the Jag. To me it's very artificial, sort of 1940's futurism, even though i do like the blue colour.

    The Rollses are both very beautiful. The gimmicks are slightly too much for me, but hey, if'you've got all the money in the world, who cares?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 15 Posts: 18,585
    I was very persuaded by the new Ferrari Amalfi, it's a more successful design than the Roma I think- I never thought the front end quite worked with that body-colour grille. Oddly they had a couple of Romas in the supercar paddock, but an Amalfi on their display stand. The Ferrari Daytona SP3 is stunning, and the new F80 is an incredible thing, but it's still the 12Cilindri for me, superb-looking car.

    The Renault 5 Turbo 3E is amazing, I love it; and the TWR Supercat was not disappointing, incredible noise.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,336
    The Jag is just as ugly in blue (actually, my favourite colour) as it is in pink. Don't know the Ferraris, though I'd never buy one even if my money were limitless. But anyone paying EUR 160,000 for a Renault 5, even electric and still pretending to be a turbo, should have his head examined.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 15 Posts: 18,585
    Okay, thanks for that- although you forgot to say how much you dislike the TWR. And I'm sure I hate everything you like too :P

    Feel free to tell the guy who bought this he made a mistake, I'm not entirely sure he did...
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    Anyone actually like cars here?
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,336
    I wasn't talking about any classic R5, which may have some justified sentimental or maybe historical value. I'm talking about the price Renault charges for one of the 1,980 (the year the original came out) R5 Turbo 3E they offer now. Which is EUR 160,000. And how a BEV can be a Turbo (Porsche does the same with the Taycan) remains a mystery to me.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,585
    It's basically a supercar, so it's a supercar price. As for the name: it's a bit of fun. Cars are supposed to be fun.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 14,227
    That blue Jag, doesn't even look like a real car! It looks like it's made of cardboard.


    Lately, i've been toying with the idea of getting an MGF.


    It'll be a Summer alternative for my 45.
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    mtm wrote: »
    Okay, thanks for that- although you forgot to say how much you dislike the TWR. And I'm sure I hate everything you like too :P

    Feel free to tell the guy who bought this he made a mistake, I'm not entirely sure he did...
    7c47f84e2b085c1fc19d271ccd4ed155ebf1ae56.webp

    Anyone actually like cars here?

    I would answer, but then you’d skip over as you always do, just to surreptitiously contradict my point in a post up ahead without engaging me at all. Not that I haven’t extended multiple public olive branches. But hey. What can I do, right? You’re the victim here, I’m sure.

    I hate renaults, btw. Besides a classic Alpine, none deserves that price tag. In orology terms, I’m sure “the kermit” or “the hulk” are fun, but that price is for rich people to have their fun. Idiotic and meaningless and futile fun.

    And yes, I do really like cars. Some are works of art and engineering, others are just stupid.

    Btw, I’d say that anyone who loves a boxy electric suv doesn’t really like cars, but that’s just me.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 15 Posts: 18,585
    That blue Jag, doesn't even look like a real car! It looks like it's made of cardboard.

    No, it looked better than that. The interior looked good too. You're right it does look a bit concepty though of course; no real world details like wipers or locks or numberplates and the bodywork goes so low around the wheels as to mean it can't have suspension travel etc. If there is a production version I guess it would be pretty different.

    Lately, i've been toying with the idea of getting an MGF.


    It'll be a Summer alternative for my 45.

    A friend of mine had one years back and I had a go, I thought it was terrific fun with really good handling (mid-engined so you don't even need power steering) and kind of surprised they don't really get mentioned much for that kind of thing. I guess a TF can't cost much nowadays and is presumably a bit more advanced? I don't know much about the differences.
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    That blue Jag, doesn't even look like a real car! It looks like it's made of cardboard.


    Lately, i've been toying with the idea of getting an MGF.


    It'll be a Summer alternative for my 45.

    Had a silver one with a burgundy top a couple of years ago, my friend. It had isolation issues and many other problems. I had an entire dossier with receipts of works done to it over the years. Sill, lots of fun. But I’d recommend an Mx5 instead, better fun, better engineering, better rep, and not expensive to maintain and run.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,336
    Univex wrote: »
    But I’d recommend an Mx5 instead, better fun, better engineering, better rep, and not expensive to maintain and run.

    Not sure that I haven't mentioned it before, but my wife and I had a 1992 MX-5 (NA) for 16 years (bought it as a new car, and it was of course red), until the door sills had rusted through and we decided to sell it. It had no airbags, no side protection, no ABS, which contributed to our decision, and we still got a decent price in 2008. But it was the most "fun" car I (or we) ever had, and I'm still missing it somehow. I'd still say it was also the most reliable car I experienced, I don't think it ever failed us. That being said, its successor, a BMW 330d (E 93) hardtop convertible, now is the car that has been with us the longest (for over 17 years), and is also still a lot of fun for me while it lasts (it has required a lot of money for repairs lately, but hey! it's sustainable that way). Still, I'd totally recommend buying a decent MX-5 just for the sheer pleasure of driving it, if one looks for an older roadster.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited July 15 Posts: 18,585
    The sportscar I've weirdly found myself lusting after (even though it never really appealed to me at all in the style stakes, and still doesn't really) is a Morgan. We went on a holiday only a couple of years back and the B&B we stayed at had the use of a Morgan for the day around the beautiful roads of the Malverns, and it was the most exciting, fun car I've ever driven. I've driven much more powerful and my own car is definitely quicker, but it was so communicative and responsive and immediate that I could instantly see why people love them so much, they're amazing. Not quite as affordable as a MX5 though, sadly!
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    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    But I’d recommend an Mx5 instead, better fun, better engineering, better rep, and not expensive to maintain and run.

    Not sure that I haven't mentioned it before, but my wife and I had a 1992 MX-5 (NA) for 16 years (bought it as a new car, and it was of course red), until the door sills had rusted through and we decided to sell it. It had no airbags, no side protection, no ABS, which contributed to our decision, and we still got a decent price in 2008. But it was the most "fun" car I (or we) ever had, and I'm still missing it somehow. I'd still say it was also the most reliable car I experienced, I don't think it ever failed us. That being said, its successor, a BMW 330d (E 93) hardtop convertible, now is the car that has been with us the longest (for over 17 years), and is also still a lot of fun for me while it lasts (it has required a lot of money for repairs lately, but hey! it's sustainable that way). Still, I'd totally recommend buying a decent MX-5 just for the sheer pleasure of driving it, if one looks for an older roadster.

    I have a ND for 9 years now and it is fun, always. I adore it. NA are lovely. Even today, they look good and run even better. Their problem is rust. Mine had to undergo a complete anti rust treatment two years ago.
    mtm wrote: »
    The sportscar I've weirdly found myself lusting after (even though it never really appealed to me at all in the style stakes, and still doesn't really) is a Morgan. We went on a holiday only a couple of years back and the B&B we stayed at had the use of a Morgan for the day around the beautiful roads of the Malverns, and it was the most exciting, fun car I've ever driven. I've driven much more powerful and my own car is definitely quicker, but it was so communicative and responsive and immediate that I could instantly see why people love them so much, they're amazing. Not quite as affordable as a MX5 though, sadly!

    Would love a Morgan, but you’re right, they’re two expensive and dificult to maintain. But they are pretty to look at, with their pre war design.
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
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  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 14,227
    MX5's aren't without issue themselves, suffering with a tendency to corrode. The MG is a better to drive too.

    I'm just not into Japanese cars (I know that's a sweeping statement), but while they are pretty sound, mechanically, style wise, they are lacking. It's telling that of the handful of cars I have owned, none have been Japanese.
  • edited July 19 Posts: 6,944
    MX5's aren't without issue themselves, suffering with a tendency to corrode. The MG is a better to drive too.

    I'm just not into Japanese cars (I know that's a sweeping statement), but while they are pretty sound, mechanically, style wise, they are lacking. It's telling that of the handful of cars I have owned, none have been Japanese.

    Hey, I ear you, my friend. I’m an alfista at heart. And yes, my Mx5 has corrosion issues already, but I fell in love with it because it’s closer to british sports cars in ethos than many other cars. But I do get what you mean. Had Alfa Romeo been the one to do the Spider with Mazda, instead of Fiat doing the 124, I would’ve been all over that red little thing.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 14,227
    Univex wrote: »
    MX5's aren't without issue themselves, suffering with a tendency to corrode. The MG is a better to drive too.

    I'm just not into Japanese cars (I know that's a sweeping statement), but while they are pretty sound, mechanically, style wise, they are lacking. It's telling that of the handful of cars I have owned, none have been Japanese.

    Hey, I ear you, my friend. I’m an alfista at heart. And yes, my Mx5 has corrosion issues already, but I fell in love with it because it’s closer to british sports cars in ethos than many other cars. But I do get what you mean. Had Alfa Romeo been the one to do the Spider with Mazda, instead of Fiat doing the 124, I would’ve been all over that red little thing.

    I've long loved the idea of owning an Alfa. In fact, I came damn close to buying a 164, at one point. From what I remember, it had been sat at the back of a forecourt for some time. So I was a bit apprehensive. Still beautiful cars, though. The SZ, is strikingly so, in my eyes.
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,336
    If I had considered buying another roadster (instead of waiting for the demise of my BMW hardtop convertible, which is still doing nicely), I would have really had a hard time deciding whether it would be the latest MX-5, or the Fiat 124, considering they come from the same assembly line. I'm tempted to say the 124 looks nicer. But I do think it's really too tiny to be a worthy successor of the old 124 Spider of the 70s, while I don't expect anything but "tight" from the MX-5 in the first place. Anyway, they don't make the 124 revenant anymore either way.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Per ora e per il momento che verrà
    edited July 19 Posts: 7,667
    I loved the look of the 124, though I would have probably went for one very specific Abarth-variation: the Abarth 124 Spider in San Marino nero. But alas, not quite ideal if you want to start a family, so we went for a Fiat 500x instead, which was quite a fun little suv. Switched that one for a Stelvio a few months ago, and still superhappy with that choice.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 18,585
    I wanted to like the 124 but somehow it just never quite hit the mark for me, style-wise. And as it's quite low on power it's just a bit of a no.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
    Posts: 8,847
    mtm wrote: »
    I wanted to like the 124 but somehow it just never quite hit the mark for me, style-wise. And as it's quite low on power it's just a bit of a no.

    I really like the looks of it, but when I tried to sit in it it turned out I'm too tall, legs are too long. I can't drive it comfortably. Our son (6 at the time) was crying because we didn't buy it .
  • 007InAction007InAction Australia
    edited 4:07am Posts: 2,713
    FIRST DRIVE: Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale

    Best looking car being produced currently ?
    Price ? don't ask........🤠
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    FIRST DRIVE: Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale

    Best looking car being produced currently ?
    Price ? don't ask........🤠

    Now that’s the real deal right there ;) Art, simply art on wheels
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