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I actually agree with you completely here, except for your last sentence. Even with the parts that were bad, I've always felt SP runs along at a good clip.
.......it was very slow in the Spectre boardroom scene.
I mean it wasn't fast-paced, but it never felt slow to me because it successfully built tension (IMO). I love that scene.
Thinking of SP.......how come Hinx didn't make a reappearance in NTTD?
I would have liked him to, but I guess that Jaws-Train thing was fatal after all.
When you said you would be god, my first thought was that you were going to
So you mean people who like the film can repeat the same post over and over again, and back slap anyone else who agrees with them, but those who don't like the film are not allowed to do the same on a Bond forum? Is that how it works in your eyes?
Sorry if I caught you off guard. It won't happen again.
-1 There's nothing constructive to add either when members here say `I've seen it again for the 29th time, and I love it even more this time round,' creating another echo chamber.
Works both ways pal.... ;)
So how does your summary work out which kind of Bond I prefer?
Shhh! Keep that quiet mate. The NTTD lovers here have now put me firmly in a `I hate Craig' camp. Letting them know this will blow their minds. ;)
It's funny, I too have tried erasing DAD from my memory banks and avoid watching it again, but due to the amount of times its been shown on various movie channels when I'm abroad, it's probably the one Bond stinker I've seen the most of in recent years. Not out of personal choice, mind. It's like a bad car crash—I just can't stop watching and look away.
Thank you! And thank you...
I don't think the NTTD lovers will agree with you there, but hey ho!
:))
Someone beat you to this comment, and I agreed with them. You can read my response above if you care to.
Exactly right.
Some of the comments on these discussions really do border on the militant at times. Hard to believe sometimes that this is a James Bond forum 😆
Well, sorry I suppose for my part in that; I really was agreeing with @NeverSayNever on the subject.
@NickTwentyTwo
Not directed at you mate, just my general observation during various discussions on these forums.
I am here praising NTTD a lot - but I do not disparage people who have different viewpoints. Those who hate it, same thing - just don't express horror, make fun of, or disparage those who disagree with you. But love it or hate it or find it middling (few do), it is okay to keep giving your opinion. It's a new Bond film, we are excited or disappointed. I think only when people bash the other's viewpoint, be truly mean or brazenly snarky when somebody does not agree with you; then it gets ugly and stupid and a harmful echo chamber. Otherwise, carry on. We are not here to say: Well, I gave my full opinion once or twice and that's the limit. Just stay respectful. I am flying the positive NTTD flag proudly. Carry your own flag, but just be respectful of others.
SPECTRE as an organisation hasn't dabbled in druidism. Had Hinx been been ritualised with the curse of thorn, he'd definitely be back.
It happens. Where is it written that one must love all films of a particular actor ?
Thanks
So I'm contentious now because I don't like a film you do. :))
You seem to be ok for people repeating their love of NTTD on here, but not for anyone disliking NTTD and repeating themselves.
You do know this a forum, right...? :)
That's lost on many around here. They think it's our "echo chamber". Us, the detractors.
I love Craig's Bond, I love Brosnan's Bond. I didn't like SP and NTTD, and I hate DAD. I adore Connery's Bond, I don't like YOLT or NSNA, and I hate DAF. I don't particular like Moore's Bond, and I love every single one of his films. I adore Lazenby's Bond and his film. And I prefer, above all of these, the novels.
So, there... ;)
Also @jetsetwilly the second part wasn't aimed at you just the first part and I stick to my comments, @Getafix did a similar thing with Skyfall, I wonder if you can keep your criticism of NTTD up that amount of time.
You must of have a lot of time on your hands to respond to the amount of posts you do on one film in multiple thread, it is only a film when all said and done.
Your reaction and effort would suggest something much more serious, well each to his own.
"Time to leave"
I guess being a lifelong fan (spending a fortune in the process) and feeling angry at what they've done to it has made my reaction and effort far more serious than it probably be should be.
I have not felt this angry about a movie since DAD, but I eventually got over that, so in time I'll get over this as well. I guess me getting my frustrations out on a forum helps me, but it doesn't help the people who love the movie. Sorry for that. If you wish to help me by being my therapist, I'm all in. How much do you charge?
I also noticed there are other members here endlessly repeating and posting their love for NTTD, yet I haven't seen you dish out the same criticism to them, having time on their hands, etc. Is it because they share your point of view, so they are exempt? :D
Thanks @bondsum. I was going to comment on what you highlighted above, but thought better of it, as I'm guessing the fact that @Shardlake even thought such a thing, he is carrying much deeper underlying issues of his own... ;)
This is the main point of contention; myself and those who may disagree with you fundamentally will say they've done nothing to damage the franchise, they've just told yet another James Bond story. There does, I will say, seem to be this sentiment that the creative decisions in NTTD have "personally affronted" certain fans of Bond and left them offended, to which I say, perhaps your identity is too wrapped up in Bond?
You say you've spent a fortune on being a James Bond fan and this always raises red flags for me; there are many ways to be a big James Bond fan, spending a fortune on memorabilia / travel / what have you is certainly one way, but it isn't the only way. A person can avoid spending a single dime, and go to the library and immerse themselves in the novels and films and be just as big a fan. All that to say, I wonder if its the type of fan that spends thousands of dollars (and then displaying that fact for others in an attempt to legitimize themselves to others, perhaps) that is more likely to feel attacked by this sort of creative decision. Just musing.
What offends me more than anything is the films drifting further and further away from Fleming after CR. Had NTTD given us the ending of YOLT (properly adapted), this may sound bizarre to you, but I'd probably have the film suddenly sliding into my top 5, maybe even edging to one of my favourite films.
But choosing should a radical departure instead, straying again into a territory that Fleming didn't write (despite the occasional cliffhangers - FRWL and YOLT), I just find it very disappointing.
I appreciate others here take the films for what they are, and are not bothered if any of Fleming's work ever sees the light of day again on screen, and are not bothered by such a final dramatic ending either.
I'm jealous, as I really wish I could be in that happy camp too.