NEW 2021 UPDATES ON 'Quick Big Mi6 Bond Ranking Game': JOIN IN, FOLKS!

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  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Location: Hm, I wish I could write Italy or San Marino here
    edited March 30 Posts: 5,514
    Thanks all for participating. I will start counting tomorrow, so if you still want to join, please do so today ;)
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    List sent!
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    Finally sent mine.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I compiled my list a little differently this time, starting with DN and slotting each subsequent film into the existing list...
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Location: Hm, I wish I could write Italy or San Marino here
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    Thanks everyone for joining in! Really appreciated.
    Today I'll start counting!

  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Kingdumb of Norway
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    GoldenGun wrote: »
    Thanks everyone for joining in! Really appreciated.
    Today I'll start counting!


    That is great. Will you give us a few statistics as well?
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Location: Hm, I wish I could write Italy or San Marino here
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    I will definitely try to do so :)
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
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    I'm trying to remember, how is this different than the ranking game that @Thunderfinger ran a few years back? I know that one had something unique about it.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Kingdumb of Norway
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I'm trying to remember, how is this different than the ranking game that @Thunderfinger ran a few years back? I know that one had something unique about it.

    It pitted every single Bond film against every other and people stated which of the two they preferred. Then I counted a win as a point and a loss as a minus point. The draws evened out.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Location: Hm, I wish I could write Italy or San Marino here
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    We'll be able to compare the final rankings, if you'd like.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Kingdumb of Norway
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  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Location: Hm, I wish I could write Italy or San Marino here
    edited April 1 Posts: 5,514
    Thanks for posting @Thunderfinger

    I've counted 10 out of the 25 rankings, so I should be done by the end of the week. Maybe even earlier.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Pretty sure we used to do a community ranking every year. Good to see it still happening.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Location: Hm, I wish I could write Italy or San Marino here
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    Ok folks, I've finished my counting sheet, just waiting for one member to include TND (and NSNA if he wishes to) and then we can start the countdown :)
  • Exciting! I’m looking forward to this
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Let's see who ends up on top.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Location: Hm, I wish I could write Italy or San Marino here
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    I'm all set to reveal the results.

    One film will be revealed each day, starting tomorrow. On the final day the top 2 will be revealed at the same time, of course. I've always been fascinated by film posters, so each film will be accompanied by an international film poster that I hope isn't too familiar with you yet.

    But first I'd like to thank all of you participants. 26, myself excluded, have gone through the trouble of sending me their list:

    @echo @pachazo @QBranch @PG007 @Max_The_Parrot
    @Creasy47 @MonsieurMerci @Agent_99 @JTW
    @Klaus_Doberman @Some_Kind_Of_Hero @Dwayne
    @ShakenNotStirred @DarthDimi @royale65 @zebrafish
    @Thunderfinger @SomethingThatAteHim @Slazenger7
    @GeneralGogol @Benny @jake24 @Mathis1
    @Birdleson @goldenswissroyale @Junglist_1985

    Thanks a lot, folks! Much appreciated :)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    27... That is the number of theatrically (to be) released Bond films. I am GE, @Thunderfinger is CR67.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Kingdumb of Norway
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    27... That is the number of theatrically (to be) released Bond films. I am GE, @Thunderfinger is CR67.

    Yeah, I know what you mean. We are both pretty bad.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Location: Hm, I wish I could write Italy or San Marino here
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    OK chaps, let's get this ball rolling, starting out with the lowest ranked entry.

    STARRING
    Sean Connery as James Bond 007

    WITH
    Kim Basinger, Klaus Maria Brandauer, Barbara Carrera & Bernie Casey

    NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN

    MUSIC BY Michel Legrand
    DIRECTED BY Irvin Kershner

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    Unsurprisingly, given that quite a few members don't consider it canon, the only non-EON entry comes in last.

    The inclusion of NSNA was optional, 7 members chose not to include it, resulting in 7 last places by default. Another 4 last places gives NSNA a total of 11 last places, the most of all the contestents.

    Its highest ranking was 12th out of 25, which it reached on two occasions.

    In total, NSNA managed to collect 60 points.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Kingdumb of Norway
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    That is really cool artwork. Haven t seen that before. NSNA was dead last in my tournament thread as well. It was beaten by all other films in each round it was in. Personally I have it no. 19.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    edited April 4 Posts: 19,595
    I agree that this is the only spot the film deserves. I can somewhat enjoy it whenever I sit down to watch it, and I have some nostalgic feelings about the film--as an 8-year old, I thought this film absolutely rocked--but knowing where the film comes from, I cannot but see it as a labour of hatred, an expression of resentment and jealousy, and an attempt at hurting Cubby hard. Even if I can set such feelings aside, particularly because some have (futilely) tried to convince me of both Fleming and Broccoli bringing this retaliatory action upon themselves, I can't help but think of the film as very mediocre in terms of script, acting, production design, music, image and sound quality, ... Even the weaker of the EON Bonds outdo NSNA in every department, technical or otherwise. I own VHS, DVD and BR copies of this film, and all of them look blurry and washed out, sound false and unclear, almost as if the only surviving copies of the film are bootlegs from someone who smuggled a cam into the theatre in 1983. I have seen atrocious Z-level Roger Corman Star Wars ripoffs that play better than NSNA.

    But what happened to the score? Didn't Legrand get the memo about this being the '80s? Why does the plot feel like something Jess Franco spat on paper over the weekend in the days when he was doing cheapies at a rate of 12 films per year? Why does the action look like something H.G. Lewis directed?

    This film neither feels like, nor aspires to be a good Bond film. Regardless of the fact that they couldn't do the gunbarrel or use the Bond Theme, nothing else even remotely signals "Bond" except for Connery being there. And Connery is good, don't get me wrong. So is Brandauer and Basinger's physique. But that's where it ends. Austin Powers feels like a more bonafide Bond film to me than this thing. If this is the best McClory could do with all the tools at his disposal, if this was the grand kickoff to a competing Bond series, then EON never had much to worry about. NSNA is a fundamentally flawed film, and the few positives cannot even come close to balancing out the vast array of negatives.
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    I do enjoy your rants over NSNA @DarthDimi. Even the poster is a bit naff.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Location: Hm, I wish I could write Italy or San Marino here
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    To each his own, and I respect that, but personally I really enjoy NSNA.

    It has that 80's French Riviera vibe, I like how it handles the older Bond angle (which the EON series never quite got right, imo) and most of all, I love the cast.

    Connery has more fun here than in either of his official swansongs, Brandauer is a fabulous actor and he's actually one of my favourite villains, Carrera is devilishly entertaining, Fox is another gifted actor who stiff-upperlips all over the place and Bernie Casey is my very favourite Felix. Also, Max von Sydow might as well be the best actor ever to appear in a Bond film.

    I know it's flawed and its origins are questionable, but I'd lie if I don't admit I do enjoy it a lot.

    That being said, I understand not everyone feels the same way and I also understand it isn't canon for all, hence why I left its inclusion optional.
  • GoldenGunGoldenGun Location: Hm, I wish I could write Italy or San Marino here
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    That is really cool artwork. Haven t seen that before. NSNA was dead last in my tournament thread as well. It was beaten by all other films in each round it was in. Personally I have it no. 19.

    Thanks @Thunderfinger! Love this artwork too. It's from Thailand :)
  • goldenswissroyalegoldenswissroyale Switzerland
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    I'm also one of them who thinks that NSNA deserves to be at the bottom. My highlight: Barbara Carrera. The weakest part: the terrible score.

    Looking at the nice poster: is this pepsi product placement or what is written there at the bottom right?
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    Bit disappointed to see NSNA last!
    It has a lot of flaws, and yes, the score is very weak, but it has come up in the rankings for me over the years, have been entertained by it in my most recent viewings!
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CAModerator
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    So, just out of curiosity and unofficially, where would NSNA rank if we only used the people who included it for its average (no auto last place spots)? It seems that most of us did not rank it in last place who chose to include it.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I ranked NSNA second last, but I do enjoy it.
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
    edited April 4 Posts: 1,171
    I had NSNA at number 20 in my rankings.

    Back in 1983, I – like many people I suspect – were willing to overlook the film’s faults just for a chance to see Connery back in the role that he made famous (And with my mother being the world’s leading Sean Connery fan, I watched this movie A LOT back in the day 😊). Only later, as my Bond fandom grew, did the “oh its’ not really that good” feelings kick in. The “80ish” of the production values, does work against it for me (*).

    That said, almost 40 years on, (IMO) that there are things to like about NSNA: Connery is actually in fine form – better in some ways than he was in DAF. And, Barbara Carrera, Klaus Maria Brandauer and Bernie Casey are treats. I even like the Lani Hall theme song (it is actually the first track on my 007 mixtape!). Of course, that could be due to the fact that I've always had a "thing" for Ms. Hall :-). BTW: In an interview, she stated that the song could have been better in retrospect.

    Like CR 1967, I glad NSNA exists – even with its’ faults.


    **Whether in music or film, there is just something about the early 1980s that feels artificial, “corporate” and bland to me.
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