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  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    John Terry. b-(
  • edited August 2020 Posts: 3,174
    Can I vote for all 5? Or maybe just 3? Heck, I'll even take a 2-way......

    Okay, if I have to vote for just 1 candidate I'll go for Bernice Marlohe. Best acting job of the bunch I'd say. But Jane Seymour probably went on to the most consequential career of all these candidates, and Caterina Morino just plain gets my engine running...
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    mtm wrote: »
    I think I'd have to go for Jane Seymour of those because she makes quite a decent impact in the film and she's really sympathetic, although I think both Bernice Marlohe and Caterina Morino do really good work.
    It's hard to even tell if Bianchi or Auger give a good performance because half of it is Barbara Jefford and Nikki van der Zyl! :)

    I am curious if you apply that logic to the performance of Gert Frobe? Often sited as one of the best villains but dubbed for the movie?
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    thedove wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I think I'd have to go for Jane Seymour of those because she makes quite a decent impact in the film and she's really sympathetic, although I think both Bernice Marlohe and Caterina Morino do really good work.
    It's hard to even tell if Bianchi or Auger give a good performance because half of it is Barbara Jefford and Nikki van der Zyl! :)

    I am curious if you apply that logic to the performance of Gert Frobe? Often sited as one of the best villains but dubbed for the movie?

    First thing that popped into my head, too.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2020 Posts: 7,125
    thedove wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I think I'd have to go for Jane Seymour of those because she makes quite a decent impact in the film and she's really sympathetic, although I think both Bernice Marlohe and Caterina Morino do really good work.
    It's hard to even tell if Bianchi or Auger give a good performance because half of it is Barbara Jefford and Nikki van der Zyl! :)

    I am curious if you apply that logic to the performance of Gert Frobe? Often sited as one of the best villains but dubbed for the movie?

    Yep, sure do. In fact there are a couple of moments where you can tell the dubbing has sort of thrown his performance off- the timing of a few lines just feels wrong. But then equally there are a quite a few where the timing and intonation really makes the lines.
    The funny thing is when you hear some undubbed bits which appear in trailers etc. he seems fine!

    I don't think acting is just about walking and pulling faces: the way they say the words out loud is a pretty big part of it.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    A difficult round, but Jane Seymour for this. She was only 22, and nailed several dramatic, emotional scenes throughout the film. Great chemistry with Roger, who took her under his wing.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
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    Jane Seymour.
  • Agent_OneAgent_One Ireland
    edited August 2020 Posts: 280
    No bad performances from this list, but I'll go with Jane Seymour, mainly because the other options are either voiced by another actress or have little screen time.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    Dear lord, I’ve got a three way tie with Claudine Auger, Jane Seymour and Bérénice Marlohe. Um... well, though Domino is my favorite Bond girl of the three, I think I’ll go with Marlohe here. For such a short time on screen, Severine really leaves a big impression. She’s very well written and Marlohe’s performance is stellar, absolutely mesmerizing, one of the best in the series, regardless of gender or screen time.
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    All are worthy winners. Catarina Murino deserves a shout out as her excellent performance seems to be often overlooked. However my vote will have to go to Daniela Bianchi.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Dear lord, I’ve got a three way tie with Claudine Auger, Jane Seymour and Bérénice Marlohe. Um... well, though Domino is my favorite Bond girl of the three, I think I’ll go with Marlohe here. For such a short time on screen, Severine really leaves a big impression. She’s very well written and Marlohe’s performance is stellar, absolutely mesmerizing, one of the best in the series, regardless of gender or screen time.

    It's good point. She's terrific in the bar scene.
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    Daniela Bianchi gets my vote too!
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Very tough choice. All give splendid performances, but I'll give this to berenice. In the very little screentime she's been given, she manages to make her backstory, her current mood and the risks she takes show on the screen. 2nd would be auger, giving her domino the emotional charge needed.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
    edited August 2020 Posts: 3,561
    I am a fan of all the ladies in this poll. I remember being mad when Severine was killed in such a callous fashion and then to have nothing come of her death or no mention of it seemed out of whack and disrespectful to the character. Amazing as she is only in a few scenes. This character in the wrong hands might have been a joke.

    Claudine will always be my fav Bond leading lady. The way she melts into Sean on the dance floor. She might have been dubbed but I enjoy her facial expressions. When Bond and her are in the raft, her puzzled look is quite cute.

    Love that we are seeing a diverse vote taking place. I think all the performances are worthy. Glad to see the academy is on my page.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Bianchi.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    Jane Seymour vote here!
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    Agent_One wrote: »
    No bad performances from this list, but I'll go with Jane Seymour, mainly because the other options are either voiced by another actress or have little screen time.

    Wasn't Jane Seymour also dubbed in parts, though? I remember hearing that at one point.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2020 Posts: 7,125
    I've never noticed her voice changing..?

    Interesting: I just looked it up- apparently van der Zyl did a bit of her too. I wonder where?
  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    Claudine Auger

    As several posters have pointed out, it is sometimes difficult to judge an actor’s performance if you know they are dubbed. And as a fan of that other decades long tenured film franchise, I can state that if the vocal stylings of the person doing the dubbing doesn’t match that of the on-set actor’s performance, things can go south very quickly! See Linda Miller’s performance in “King Kong Escapes” (1967) for an example of the later.

    At some point I must read Nikki van der Zyl’s book (“For Your Ears Only”). I seem to recall a story that Shirley Eaton refused to attend a 2012 Bond event if Ms. Van der Zyl was present.

    detail notes:
    Julie Bennett “re-dubbed” Ms. Miller in the English language version of the film – the only version that I’ve ever seen until very recently - and it is completely at odds with the on-screen action. Ms. Bennett’s provided a very cartoon like version of Ms. Miller’s vocals (which given her past resume was predictable). “Kong!..GO Get that Ship Kong….Kong….. :-). Its’ MST3K type stuff on top of an already campy film. Several months ago, I actually got to see the Japanese language version of the film for the first time, and Ms. Miller’s “performance” wasn’t as bad as I’ve always thought, since the Japanese vocal dub is a better match for her on screen facial reactions and body movements. Ms. Bennett did a somewhat better job dubbing Mie Hama’s “Madame Piranha” role in the same film, however.

    The take away: the Bond series has actually benefited from very good dub work over the years and maybe Ms. Van der Zyl should have been one of the nominees for our lifetime award.

    Sorry for going a bit OT, but I couldn’t help myself!!!!
  • edited August 2020 Posts: 5,781
    mtm wrote: »
    Revelator wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »
    Yes the lots of guts line is a bit of a weird one.

    It's gallows humor. For the audience it relieves tension after a gruesome scene. For Bond and Tracy it signifies relief that one of the people sent to kill them got what he deserved.

    We know what happens in the scene, it's just that no normal person would find that funny in that circumstance! :) Which is fine when Bond says that sort of thing to himself, but Tracy isn't quite the hardened psycho that he is :D

    I never thought of it this way - I think it's not too much of a stretch to imagine Tracy appreciating that kind of humour considering her upbringing, her personality, and her state of mind when we first meet her. She's certainly not a normal person, anyway!

    Not exactly one of OHMSS's glowing moments, that line. It always reminds me of the bit in Austin Powers after he brutally feeds a security guard head-first to the mutated sea bass, then proceeds to bombard Elizabeth Hurley with "head" related jokes like "That's not the way to get ahead in life" and "He'll never be the head of a major corporation" as she balances her visible disgust with the civil need to humor his tasteless jokes. Great bit of comedy, and more so than any other of Bond's puns, Lazenby's enthusiastic and atypically graphic "He had a lot of guts!" strikes the same chord for me. I can just see Tracy laughing half-heartedly while thinking somewhere in the back of her head, "Maybe I ought to re-think this relationship..."

    Oh, and I'll vote for Jane Seymour while I'm here.
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    I still can’t decide... love them all.

    My first response was Jane Seymour, but 1/100th of a second later a strong wave of Bianchi and Auger came crashing into me.

    I definitely need more time!!
  • peter wrote: »
    I still can’t decide... love them all.

    My first response was Jane Seymour, but 1/100th of a second later a strong wave of Bianchi and Auger came crashing into me.

    I definitely need more time!!

    Go with your guts. Especially if you have lots of them.
  • marcmarc Universal Exports
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    Jane Seymore
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
    edited August 2020 Posts: 6,353
    Dwayne wrote: »
    Claudine Auger

    As several posters have pointed out, it is sometimes difficult to judge an actor’s performance if you know they are dubbed. And as a fan of that other decades long tenured film franchise, I can state that if the vocal stylings of the person doing the dubbing doesn’t match that of the on-set actor’s performance, things can go south very quickly! See Linda Miller’s performance in “King Kong Escapes” (1967) for an example of the later.

    At some point I must read Nikki van der Zyl’s book (“For Your Ears Only”). I seem to recall a story that Shirley Eaton refused to attend a 2012 Bond event if Ms. Van der Zyl was present.

    detail notes:
    Julie Bennett “re-dubbed” Ms. Miller in the English language version of the film – the only version that I’ve ever seen until very recently - and it is completely at odds with the on-screen action. Ms. Bennett’s provided a very cartoon like version of Ms. Miller’s vocals (which given her past resume was predictable). “Kong!..GO Get that Ship Kong….Kong….. :-). Its’ MST3K type stuff on top of an already campy film. Several months ago, I actually got to see the Japanese language version of the film for the first time, and Ms. Miller’s “performance” wasn’t as bad as I’ve always thought, since the Japanese vocal dub is a better match for her on screen facial reactions and body movements. Ms. Bennett did a somewhat better job dubbing Mie Hama’s “Madame Piranha” role in the same film, however.

    The take away: the Bond series has actually benefited from very good dub work over the years and maybe Ms. Van der Zyl should have been one of the nominees for our lifetime award.

    Sorry for going a bit OT, but I couldn’t help myself!!!!

    Thanks for sharing! I like the tidbit about Shirley Eaton. :)
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    The votes came fast and furious and I love some of the discussion about dubbing and it's detraction from the performance. I shall keep voting from the academy open for a few more hours and then announce our best newcomer actress!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Hotel Kali-Yuga
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    In countries where everyone is dubbed, that doesn t come into the equation at all.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing South Florida
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    Toughest choice of all but I'll have to go with Jane Seymour
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Has anyone been able to spot which of Seymour's lines were dubbed by van der Zyl? I'm really curious about that.
  • Posts: 5,752
    peter wrote: »
    I still can’t decide... love them all.

    My first response was Jane Seymour, but 1/100th of a second later a strong wave of Bianchi and Auger came crashing into me.

    I definitely need more time!!

    Go with your guts. Especially if you have lots of them.

    hahaha-- I love that @Some_Kind_Of_Hero-- put a big fat smile on my face!!

    (my gut bounces from Bianchi to Auger over and over)...
  • PrinceKamalKhanPrinceKamalKhan Monsoon Palace, Udaipur
    edited August 2020 Posts: 3,201
    Dwayne wrote: »
    As several posters have pointed out, it is sometimes difficult to judge an actor’s performance if you know they are dubbed. And as a fan of that other decades long tenured film franchise, I can state that if the vocal stylings of the person doing the dubbing doesn’t match that of the on-set actor’s performance, things can go south very quickly! See Linda Miller’s performance in “King Kong Escapes” (1967) for an example of the later.

    "Don't shake the ship, Kong! I live and eat on the ship!"
    Dwayne wrote: »
    detail notes:
    Julie Bennett “re-dubbed” Ms. Miller in the English language version of the film – the only version that I’ve ever seen until very recently - and it is completely at odds with the on-screen action. Ms. Bennett’s provided a very cartoon like version of Ms. Miller’s vocals (which given her past resume was predictable). “Kong!..GO Get that Ship Kong….Kong….. :-). Its’ MST3K type stuff on top of an already campy film. Several months ago, I actually got to see the Japanese language version of the film for the first time, and Ms. Miller’s “performance” wasn’t as bad as I’ve always thought, since the Japanese vocal dub is a better match for her on screen facial reactions and body movements. Ms. Bennett did a somewhat better job dubbing Mie Hama’s “Madame Piranha” role in the same film, however.

    Interesting. Within the last few years I went ape and purchased Escapes and King Kong vs. Godzilla along with the 1933, 1976 and 2005 versions. I loved the 1967 film as a child. It's interesting to see Kissy Suzuki as a femme fatale enemy agent. It's a good one for kids since unlike King Kong 1933, King Kong 1976 and (I assume) King Kong 2005(which I've not watched yet), Escapes allows the title ape to live and have a relatively happy ending.
    Dwayne wrote: »
    Sorry for going a bit OT, but I couldn’t help myself!!!!

    No problem. All good information.

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