Do you have any concerns or niggles about NTTD ,or are you full of confidence ?

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  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    We've had seven Bond films since the first Mission: Impossible, whereas there have only been five Mission: Impossible sequels.

    Or another way of looking at is since 1996 there have been 6 M:I films and 7 Bond films.

    Or another way of looking at it is that since 1995 there have been 6 M:I films and 8 Bond films.

    You're right, there's not much in it. Yet it's always made sound like there is.

    As for Star Wars and Marvel....well, the Disney method of production is quite something alright, but I don't see them sustaining it for sixty years.

    What?! You don't want a Young Bond film? A Q spinoff film? A TV series about M? An animation series focused on Moneypenny?

    Shocking, right?
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    We've had seven Bond films since the first Mission: Impossible, whereas there have only been five Mission: Impossible sequels.

    Or another way of looking at is since 1996 there have been 6 M:I films and 7 Bond films.

    Or another way of looking at it is that since 1995 there have been 6 M:I films and 8 Bond films.

    You're right, there's not much in it. Yet it's always made sound like there is.

    As for Star Wars and Marvel....well, the Disney method of production is quite something alright, but I don't see them sustaining it for sixty years.

    What?! You don't want a Young Bond film? A Q spinoff film? A TV series about M? An animation series focused on Moneypenny?

    Shocking, right?

    Positively shocking. ;-)
  • Posts: 2,361
    We've had seven Bond films since the first Mission: Impossible, whereas there have only been five Mission: Impossible sequels.

    Or another way of looking at is since 1996 there have been 6 M:I films and 7 Bond films.

    Or another way of looking at it is that since 1995 there have been 6 M:I films and 8 Bond films.

    You're right, there's not much in it. Yet it's always made sound like there is.

    As for Star Wars and Marvel....well, the Disney method of production is quite something alright, but I don't see them sustaining it for sixty years.

    What?! You don't want a Young Bond film? A Q spinoff film? A TV series about M? An animation series focused on Moneypenny?

    Nope.
  • Posts: 2,091
    MeetBond wrote: »
    It won’t be. The best Bond films aren’t cobbled together by script doctors two weeks before shooting starts.

    If anyone has any confidence in this product (I hesitate to call it a film) at this stage they’re in La La Land.

    From Russia with Love was a mess until they got into the editing suite!

    But at least they had the basis of a decent script to work with. Hell, it doesn't get any better than following arguably Fleming's strongest novel as close as possible.

    When you have that to work from, editing shouldn't prove too much of a problem.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython "I want you looking FABULOUS."
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    MeetBond wrote: »
    It won’t be. The best Bond films aren’t cobbled together by script doctors two weeks before shooting starts.

    If anyone has any confidence in this product (I hesitate to call it a film) at this stage they’re in La La Land.

    From Russia with Love was a mess until they got into the editing suite!

    But at least they had the basis of a decent script to work with. Hell, it doesn't get any better than following arguably Fleming's strongest novel as close as possible.

    When you have that to work from, editing shouldn't prove too much of a problem.

    It wasn't that simple. Because of the unusual structure of the book, they had to do a lot of re-sequencing and make up some stuff in order to have everything fit in better for a cohesive film. For example, Red Grant stalking Bond was actually something they wrote into the movie while they were in the middle of shooting it!

    I think it would be interesting to see the original edit of the film and how that plays out. For example, there wouldn't have been a pre-title sequence, as the scene with Grant stalking Bond at SPECTRE island was supposed to happen later in the film.

    The re-editing and reshoots not only saved FRWL but further defined the formula!
  • Posts: 2,091
    MeetBond wrote: »
    It won’t be. The best Bond films aren’t cobbled together by script doctors two weeks before shooting starts.

    If anyone has any confidence in this product (I hesitate to call it a film) at this stage they’re in La La Land.

    From Russia with Love was a mess until they got into the editing suite!

    But at least they had the basis of a decent script to work with. Hell, it doesn't get any better than following arguably Fleming's strongest novel as close as possible.

    When you have that to work from, editing shouldn't prove too much of a problem.

    It wasn't that simple. Because of the unusual structure of the book, they had to do a lot of re-sequencing and make up some stuff in order to have everything fit in better for a cohesive film. For example, Red Grant stalking Bond was actually something they wrote into the movie while they were in the middle of shooting it!

    I think it would be interesting to see the original edit of the film and how that plays out. For example, there wouldn't have been a pre-title sequence, as the scene with Grant stalking Bond at SPECTRE island was supposed to happen later in the film.

    The re-editing and reshoots not only saved FRWL but further defined the formula!

    Interesting. I didn't actually know much of the background to filming FRWL. Shows what a dab hand Hunt could be in the edit room on a good day (get him on a bad day and you get badly speeded up fights, weird voice dubbing, flipped shots (TB helicopter scene), etc. :)
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    Walecs wrote: »
    Octopussy wrote: »
    Maybe it will take The Rise of Skywalker approach and forget the film before it.
    Fixed that for you. The Last Jedi didn't ignore anything from The Force Awakens, it just went in a direction which was different than what anyone expected.

    Bearing in mind TLJ begins immediately after the events of TFA.

    Threepio has a red arm at the end of Force Awakens...he suddenly has his regular golden arm back at the beginning of Last Jedi.

    Kylo Renn has a scar going down between his eyebrows and down the side of his mouth at the end of TFA...for some reason the scar has migrated over to his right eyebrow and down his cheek at the begining of TLJ.

    The knights of Renn from TFA are completely ignored by TLJ.

    TFA presents Anakins lightsaber to Luke at the end of TFA...Johnson decides '' Nah screw that shit! '' and has Luke toss it away.

    Poe almost single handedly destroys StarKiller base in TFA..a fact which is pretty much ignored in TLJ,and Leia and Admiral Gender studies treat him like hes a liability!

    I could go on but i havnt got all night.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython "I want you looking FABULOUS."
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Octopussy wrote: »
    Maybe it will take The Rise of Skywalker approach and forget the film before it.
    Fixed that for you. The Last Jedi didn't ignore anything from The Force Awakens, it just went in a direction which was different than what anyone expected.

    Bearing in mind TLJ begins immediately after the events of TFA.

    Threepio has a red arm at the end of Force Awakens...he suddenly has his regular golden arm back at the beginning of Last Jedi.

    Kylo Renn has a scar going down between his eyebrows and down the side of his mouth at the end of TFA...for some reason the scar has migrated over to his right eyebrow and down his cheek at the begining of TLJ.

    The knights of Renn from TFA are completely ignored by TLJ.

    TFA presents Anakins lightsaber to Luke at the end of TFA...Johnson decides '' Nah screw that shit! '' and has Luke toss it away.

    Poe almost single handedly destroys StarKiller base in TFA..a fact which is pretty much ignored in TLJ,and Leia and Admiral Gender studies treat him like hes a liability!

    I could go on but i havnt got all night.

    None of those examples make your case.
  • Posts: 695
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Octopussy wrote: »
    Maybe it will take The Rise of Skywalker approach and forget the film before it.
    Fixed that for you. The Last Jedi didn't ignore anything from The Force Awakens, it just went in a direction which was different than what anyone expected.

    Bearing in mind TLJ begins immediately after the events of TFA.

    Threepio has a red arm at the end of Force Awakens...he suddenly has his regular golden arm back at the beginning of Last Jedi.

    Kylo Renn has a scar going down between his eyebrows and down the side of his mouth at the end of TFA...for some reason the scar has migrated over to his right eyebrow and down his cheek at the begining of TLJ.

    The knights of Renn from TFA are completely ignored by TLJ.

    TFA presents Anakins lightsaber to Luke at the end of TFA...Johnson decides '' Nah screw that shit! '' and has Luke toss it away.

    Poe almost single handedly destroys StarKiller base in TFA..a fact which is pretty much ignored in TLJ,and Leia and Admiral Gender studies treat him like hes a liability!

    I could go on but i havnt got all night.

    None of those examples make your case.

    They do,you just dont like being proven wrong.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython "I want you looking FABULOUS."
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    Honestly, some of those examples are so trivial, and others show a fundamental lack of understanding. For example, Poe may have destroyed Starkiller Base, but he still disobeyed direct orders from Leia and deserved to the demotion. His whole arc is about learning that there’s no shame in a strategic retreat.

    And everything with Luke IMO was perfect and made total sense from what TFA laid out. The guy abandoned everything in TFA, so it makes sense his first response to Rey is “go away”.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    AstonLotus wrote: »
    The knights of Renn from TFA are completely ignored by TLJ.

    The Knights of Ren were barely a thing in TFA, they got a passing mention on a single line! Even The Clone Wars were more important in Episode IV.
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    TFA presents Anakins lightsaber to Luke at the end of TFA...Johnson decides '' Nah screw that shit! '' and has Luke toss it away.

    How is that "ignoring"? Ignoring would mean that Anakin's lightsaber would not even be there, it just went in a different direction then you expected. Whether it was a good or bad direction is debatable, but it was not "ignored".
    AstonLotus wrote: »
    Poe almost single handedly destroys StarKiller base in TFA..a fact which is pretty much ignored in TLJ,and Leia and Admiral Gender studies treat him like hes a liability!

    Poe's accomplishments are not ignored, they're just not enough to grant him full trust.
  • Agent_OneAgent_One Ireland
    edited August 2020 Posts: 280
    Poe absolutely made the right decision at the beginning of TLJ. If he hadn't done what he did, they would've all been killed. And TFA left a lot of possibilities for Luke, despite it's myraid of issues elsewhere. TLJ was the film that character assassinated him.
  • So, why we talking about Star Wars in this thread?!
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    My only concern is more to do with how people are going to respond to the film. With more spoilers coming out and just the controversial nature of this particular film, I'm wondering if some have already made their mind up about this one.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Agent_One wrote: »
    And TFA left a lot of possibilities for Luke, despite it's myraid of issues elsewhere.


    Agent_One wrote: »
    TLJ was the film that character assassinated him.

    That's totally irrelevant.
  • Denbigh wrote: »
    My only concern is more to do with how people are going to respond to the film. With more spoilers coming out and just the controversial nature of this particular film, I'm wondering if some have already made their mind up about this one.

    I think it's either going to be brilliant or another Spectre. When I saw the trailer my jaw was on the floor, but the personal angle again made me think we've been here before. If they can execute that as well as they did in CR it'll be great. The fact that they have some stuff in here that is meant to shock us (Naomie Harris' words) could go one of two ways - either it'll work brilliantly or it will be another Brofeld moment.
  • Agent_OneAgent_One Ireland
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    Walecs wrote: »
    Agent_One wrote: »
    And TFA left a lot of possibilities for Luke, despite it's myraid of issues elsewhere.


    Agent_One wrote: »
    TLJ was the film that character assassinated him.

    That's totally irrelevant.
    How is it irrelevant? Luke didn't have to be on Acht-To to die in TFA. Luke didn't have to have been destroyed as a character in TFA. There was a lot you could do with him. TLJ is the one that made those choices.
  • Agent_One wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Agent_One wrote: »
    And TFA left a lot of possibilities for Luke, despite it's myraid of issues elsewhere.


    Agent_One wrote: »
    TLJ was the film that character assassinated him.

    That's totally irrelevant.
    How is it irrelevant? Luke didn't have to be on Acht-To to die in TFA. Luke didn't have to have been destroyed as a character in TFA. There was a lot you could do with him. TLJ is the one that made those choices.

    WRONG THREAD
  • edited August 2020 Posts: 15,359
    Denbigh wrote: »
    My only concern is more to do with how people are going to respond to the film. With more spoilers coming out and just the controversial nature of this particular film, I'm wondering if some have already made their mind up about this one.

    Looking at some comments here on this forum during the production, that certainly seems to be the case. As for general audiences, how much do they really pay attention to these things? The friends I usually watch films with are aware that there's a new Bond film coming at some point, but they don't really know anything about it (other than what a few trailers have shown, of course).
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Agent_One wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Agent_One wrote: »
    And TFA left a lot of possibilities for Luke, despite it's myraid of issues elsewhere.


    Agent_One wrote: »
    TLJ was the film that character assassinated him.

    That's totally irrelevant.
    How is it irrelevant? Luke didn't have to be on Acht-To to die in TFA. Luke didn't have to have been destroyed as a character in TFA. There was a lot you could do with him. TLJ is the one that made those choices.

    That's not "ignoring TFA's storylines", it's "developing them differently than I expected".
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Hotel Kali-Yuga
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    My only concern is more to do with how people are going to respond to the film. With more spoilers coming out and just the controversial nature of this particular film, I'm wondering if some have already made their mind up about this one.

    Looking at some comments here on this forum during the production, that certainly seems to be the case. As for general audiences, how much do they really pay attention to these things? The friends I usually watch films with are aware that there's a new Bond film coming at some point, but they don't really know anything about it (other than what a few trailers have shown, of course).

    Same here. Some don t even know who is playing Bond this time. Could it be Idris Elba? Lashana Lynch?
  • edited August 2020 Posts: 15,359
    Denbigh wrote: »
    My only concern is more to do with how people are going to respond to the film. With more spoilers coming out and just the controversial nature of this particular film, I'm wondering if some have already made their mind up about this one.

    Looking at some comments here on this forum during the production, that certainly seems to be the case. As for general audiences, how much do they really pay attention to these things? The friends I usually watch films with are aware that there's a new Bond film coming at some point, but they don't really know anything about it (other than what a few trailers have shown, of course).

    Same here. Some don t even know who is playing Bond this time. Could it be Idris Elba? Lashana Lynch?

    Or "Is it that blonde guy playing Bond again?", as one friend asked me.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited August 2020 Posts: 2,541
    Denbigh wrote: »
    My only concern is more to do with how people are going to respond to the film. With more spoilers coming out and just the controversial nature of this particular film, I'm wondering if some have already made their mind up about this one.

    Looking at some comments here on this forum during the production, that certainly seems to be the case. As for general audiences, how much do they really pay attention to these things? The friends I usually watch films with are aware that there's a new Bond film coming at some point, but they don't really know anything about it (other than what a few trailers have shown, of course).

    Same here. Some don t even know who is playing Bond this time. Could it be Idris Elba? Lashana Lynch?

    Or "Is it that blonde guy playing Bond again?", as one friend asked me.

    You should have replied "his hair is a bit white now".
  • Posts: 15,359
    Denbigh wrote: »
    My only concern is more to do with how people are going to respond to the film. With more spoilers coming out and just the controversial nature of this particular film, I'm wondering if some have already made their mind up about this one.

    Looking at some comments here on this forum during the production, that certainly seems to be the case. As for general audiences, how much do they really pay attention to these things? The friends I usually watch films with are aware that there's a new Bond film coming at some point, but they don't really know anything about it (other than what a few trailers have shown, of course).

    Same here. Some don t even know who is playing Bond this time. Could it be Idris Elba? Lashana Lynch?

    Or "Is it that blonde guy playing Bond again?", as one friend asked me.

    You should have replied "his hair is a bit white now".

    I did, only I said "grey"! :))
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited August 2020 Posts: 4,341
    Denbigh wrote: »
    My only concern is more to do with how people are going to respond to the film. With more spoilers coming out and just the controversial nature of this particular film, I'm wondering if some have already made their mind up about this one.

    Looking at some comments here on this forum during the production, that certainly seems to be the case. As for general audiences, how much do they really pay attention to these things? The friends I usually watch films with are aware that there's a new Bond film coming at some point, but they don't really know anything about it (other than what a few trailers have shown, of course).
    That is true. It's just a shame that what could be a good film will possibly be tainted by controversial expectations caused by unnecessary outrage.
  • Agent_OneAgent_One Ireland
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    Walecs wrote: »
    Agent_One wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Agent_One wrote: »
    And TFA left a lot of possibilities for Luke, despite it's myraid of issues elsewhere.


    Agent_One wrote: »
    TLJ was the film that character assassinated him.

    That's totally irrelevant.
    How is it irrelevant? Luke didn't have to be on Acht-To to die in TFA. Luke didn't have to have been destroyed as a character in TFA. There was a lot you could do with him. TLJ is the one that made those choices.

    That's not "ignoring TFA's storylines", it's "developing them differently than I expected".
    It developed them poorly, then.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    Agent_One wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Agent_One wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Agent_One wrote: »
    And TFA left a lot of possibilities for Luke, despite it's myraid of issues elsewhere.


    Agent_One wrote: »
    TLJ was the film that character assassinated him.

    That's totally irrelevant.
    How is it irrelevant? Luke didn't have to be on Acht-To to die in TFA. Luke didn't have to have been destroyed as a character in TFA. There was a lot you could do with him. TLJ is the one that made those choices.

    That's not "ignoring TFA's storylines", it's "developing them differently than I expected".
    It developed them poorly, then.

    I love how you keep missing the point only to push your agenda further.
  • Agent_OneAgent_One Ireland
    Posts: 280
    Walecs wrote: »
    Agent_One wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Agent_One wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Agent_One wrote: »
    And TFA left a lot of possibilities for Luke, despite it's myraid of issues elsewhere.


    Agent_One wrote: »
    TLJ was the film that character assassinated him.

    That's totally irrelevant.
    How is it irrelevant? Luke didn't have to be on Acht-To to die in TFA. Luke didn't have to have been destroyed as a character in TFA. There was a lot you could do with him. TLJ is the one that made those choices.

    That's not "ignoring TFA's storylines", it's "developing them differently than I expected".
    It developed them poorly, then.

    I love how you keep missing the point only to push your agenda further.
    What agenda?
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    Agent_One wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Agent_One wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Agent_One wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Agent_One wrote: »
    And TFA left a lot of possibilities for Luke, despite it's myraid of issues elsewhere.


    Agent_One wrote: »
    TLJ was the film that character assassinated him.

    That's totally irrelevant.
    How is it irrelevant? Luke didn't have to be on Acht-To to die in TFA. Luke didn't have to have been destroyed as a character in TFA. There was a lot you could do with him. TLJ is the one that made those choices.

    That's not "ignoring TFA's storylines", it's "developing them differently than I expected".
    It developed them poorly, then.

    I love how you keep missing the point only to push your agenda further.
    What agenda?

    That TLJ is a bad movie.
  • Walecs wrote: »
    Agent_One wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Agent_One wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Agent_One wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    Agent_One wrote: »
    And TFA left a lot of possibilities for Luke, despite it's myraid of issues elsewhere.


    Agent_One wrote: »
    TLJ was the film that character assassinated him.

    That's totally irrelevant.
    How is it irrelevant? Luke didn't have to be on Acht-To to die in TFA. Luke didn't have to have been destroyed as a character in TFA. There was a lot you could do with him. TLJ is the one that made those choices.

    That's not "ignoring TFA's storylines", it's "developing them differently than I expected".
    It developed them poorly, then.

    I love how you keep missing the point only to push your agenda further.
    What agenda?

    That TLJ is a bad movie.

    Again wrong thread - there is a Star Wars thread.
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