It Seems There Are More QoS Appreciators Than Thought Before

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  • I LOVED Quantum Of Solace..

    The music was amazing. Also the graphics and titles were different. Title song should’ve been used at the end of the film.

    We should’ve had Michael Buble do the opening for sure.

    It’s funny that people hate the quick camera edits during the action scenes but that was 2008 for you. Batman Begins did it, so did the Bourne films also.

    That movie was Craig’s best performance easily. In skyfall Craig had no emotion and looked bored/stressed.

    Watch Casino Royale and Quantum then his last two and tell me Craig doesn’t look tired and bored.

    Although Skyfall’s editing/flow and storyline is what won the audience and critics over I actually rank it last in my Craig films.

    It’s a great action film but not a good Bond movie. We need a movie like CR & QOS for Bond 25.

    Quantum of solace is still a top 10 Bond film for me.

    The editing in QoS got unfairly picked-on when films like Batman Begins were doing it, as you mention, @CASINOROYALE


    On top of that, many people did not understand that the editing in the beginning was meant to be that way to show what it was like inside of Bond's mind. He had just lost Vesper and was driving away with someone in the trunk who had a major hand in her secret operation and eventual death. That was Yusef's boss afterall.

    For at least a year after QoS was released, Marc Forster toured around the world explaining the editing as being a part of the show at Q&A's in universities. Even to this day, he defends his work, that's how good it was. Rarely has editing been incorporated to tell a story in itself as a part of the art in film. Notice how carefully it was done throughout the film, such that most people who complained were not complaining about how the Tosca opera chase was edited through the kitchen, nor the final scenes of the film up to the point where Bond drops Vesper's necklace in the snow.

    The necklace was a symbol of Yusef, and not of Vesper herself as she was dead while Bond was left to cope.



  • SeanCraig wrote: »
    Love that scene exactly like it is

    For audiences, it must have felt like you were there sitting with Bond waiting for Yusef, especially when you watch the movie a second time and beyond. When it gets you by surprise, watching it for the first time, it's all hitting you at once....being surprised to see the guy who honeytrapped Vesper for Quantum.....seeing what kind of information Bond got from Greene, then seeing Bond's reaction and his careful choice of words (which were likely written by Craig and/or Forster) and then how he handles the situation before meeting back with M to assure her that he and she can continue working with confidence in each other.


    @Remington
    Greene was more scary than Silva because the former looked like an everyday career politician/philanthropist. We don't need scars anymore....they didn't even do a good job with Silva's CGI jaw...the best way a Bond movie can be is by not trying to be a Bond movie but to strive and be a good film, period.



  • SeanCraig wrote: »
    Due to this thread I just re-warched QoS again and Camille remains one of my favourite Bondgirls. And it is so highly rewatchable - never bores me.

    @SeanCraig

    Hope you kept everyone here on this thread in spirit while re-watching QoS.

    Given its re-watchability value, it helps to make up for the fact that we have to wait a few years between the films instead of having them cranked out for the sake of making them.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    It IS my most watched Craig Bond. A lot crammed into a short package, as it were. And about the best end to any Bond film ever...
  • I still do hope that Bond 25 will be a longer film like SP was but it will be done in a way to develop character likability and allow them more space like how TV shows do it these days as fewer people attend movie theaters for various reasons.

    Despite the short runtime, QoS took its time during the dramatic scenes but sped up like a bullet for the action to make it tidy-up like a "bullet" as Marc Forster described it.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    chrisisall wrote: »
    It IS my most watched Craig Bond. A lot crammed into a short package, as it were. And about the best end to any Bond film ever...

    Same here. It's also the one that's the easiest to rewatch, it's so entertaining and the pacing is incredible, the time simply flies by.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I think it is my most-watched Craig film too, just above CR. And next time around, I will spot even more things I hadn't noticed before.
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    QBranch wrote: »
    I think it is my most-watched Craig film too, just above CR. And next time around, I will spot even more things I hadn't noticed before.

    That's especially true of the car chase. Each time I watch it, it's like watching it for the first time!
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    QBranch wrote: »
    I think it is my most-watched Craig film too, just above CR. And next time around, I will spot even more things I hadn't noticed before.

    That's especially true of the car chase. Each time I watch it, it's like watching it for the first time!

    It feels like a roller coaster ride
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited March 2019 Posts: 4,343
    Just rewatched QoS last night, was on TV.

    I like everything about the movie until the Greene Planet party. From that moment the movie becomes less cohesive and isn’t able to deliver on the expectations. Everything is too much rushed and you can feel the difficulties they faced trying to find a way to close the story. There are still some good scenes and the locations are great. QoS is a really rewatchable entry but on the other hand always feels like some missed opportunity, given the efforts they pulled of. The parachute scene is atrocious btw, plus the gunbarrell in the end with the QoS title coming up is the worst in the series. But the Siena scenes, the car chase and the Tosca scenes are just beautiful and powerful. Tosca scene is like an art house experimental Bond short movie, a unique scene and one of the best of the franchise.

    My judgment over QoS in slightly increased in the last 10 years and I rank it #9.
  • edited March 2019 Posts: 1,280
    @matt_u

    What do you think about the Yusef scene?

    Would you say that it's a highlight of the entire film?
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    I’m glad that QOS is getting a critical reappraisal by many, I’ve always liked it a lot. It was a definite drop in quality from CR but that was bound to happen, anyway CR is so great, it’d been very difficult to follow up no matter what. QOS is still really good.

    Now, perhaps in the near future, SP will get more love too, but who knows?
  • I know the film took place directly after CR but the essence and aura of Vesper permeated throughout the film. It's amazing how she never needed to appear on screen but was part of the mood of the atmosphere of melancholy in the film.

    I wish SP had shown the Vesper interrogation video. It's still not too late for Bond 25 if Bond wants to pick up clues. Plus, neither actors who portrayed Vesper and Mr. White have aged all that much.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    I know the film took place directly after CR but the essence and aura of Vesper permeated throughout the film. It's amazing how she never needed to appear on screen but was part of the mood of the atmosphere of melancholy in the film.

    I wish SP had shown the Vesper interrogation video. It's still not too late for Bond 25 if Bond wants to pick up clues. Plus, neither actors who portrayed Vesper and Mr. White have aged all that much.

    Only if it would have furthered the story. Otherwise it’s a waste of time. The idea is that bond is over vesper, even if we the audience arn’t
  • @JamesBondKenya

    QoS had a lot of loose ends that don't feel tied up. And yes, the Vesper interrogation tape can easily be used as a way in the script to help Bond find a lead from Mr. White regarding Spectre.
  • RC7RC7
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    Rarely has editing been incorporated to tell a story in itself as a part of the art in film.

    Patently untrue. Back to film school you go.
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    I think they were right to not show the Vesper interrogation,the message was shown ,to show it would have been crude and unnecessary.

    The 1973 Dirty Harry film ‘Magnum Force’ had a lot of criticism for showing a pimp forcing drain cleaner down a prostitutes throat when the original writer said ‘mention it don’t show it ‘.
  • The interrogation could be played but the scene will only show Bond's reaction to it as it tests his true solace. Perhaps the villain could show it to him, just like how Blofeld was showing Madeline her father's death tape.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    I think they were right to not show the Vesper interrogation,the message was shown ,to show it would have been crude and unnecessary.

    The 1973 Dirty Harry film ‘Magnum Force’ had a lot of criticism for showing a pimp forcing drain cleaner down a prostitutes throat when the original writer said ‘mention it don’t show it ‘.
    Spot on. Not to mention showing the recording would be treading similar ground seen in SP. Fresh ideas, please.
  • Vesper or Camille?

    Everyone.....

  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Vesper all the way!!
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    A straight choice ? Odd request out of the blue but I like it : Vesper !
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I'm probably one of the biggest fans of Camille here, but I'd have to go with Vesper - such a classic character and one of the greatest original Bond girls, both through the novel and Green's magnificent film adaptation role.
  • RC7 wrote: »
    Rarely has editing been incorporated to tell a story in itself as a part of the art in film.

    Patently untrue. Back to film school you go.

    Well, let's take the example of Bohemian Rapsody. Its editing was quite choppy yet it won an Oscar for Best Editing.

    Editing in and of itself is generally used to display a film's scenes for telling a story to the audience.

    Most films rely on cinematography for this. The editing in QoS began as choppy and became more steady at the film progressed. All of this was proceeding along as Bond was getting closer to finding his solace. What I was trying to say is that QoS took the idea of editing one step beyond and never got the praise it deserved.
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    Definitely Vesper.
    But I really liked Camille.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    In the DC era, nobody beats or will beat Vesper ... brilliantly portrayed by Eva Green. But Camille is my close second (trailed by Severine and Fields).

    Looking at how troubled the productions of both QoS and SP were, it must be the director that made the difference for the final film (and my choice is clear which one I prefer). In my opinion the main problem was that Mendes did not want to do SP at all and put all he had into SF. Forster did a great job.
  • SeanCraig wrote: »
    In the DC era, nobody beats or will beat Vesper ... brilliantly portrayed by Eva Green. But Camille is my close second (trailed by Severine and Fields).

    Looking at how troubled the productions of both QoS and SP were, it must be the director that made the difference for the final film (and my choice is clear which one I prefer). In my opinion the main problem was that Mendes did not want to do SP at all and put all he had into SF. Forster did a great job.

    Mendes would resort to taking Bond back to formula while Forster advanced the true potential and value of having Craig on board.

  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Gemma Arterton
    Oona Chaplin
    Stana Katic

    No Bond film has had such a trio of (underused) female talent. This is actually a compliment.
  • TripAces wrote: »
    Gemma Arterton
    Oona Chaplin
    Stana Katic

    No Bond film has had such a trio of (underused) female talent. This is actually a compliment.

    Exactly!

    The amount of talent, each of which were symbolic to Bond's solace-finding mission.


  • When was the last time everyone here watched QoS?
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