It Seems There Are More QoS Appreciators Than Thought Before

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Comedy is subjective. I took it as a dig at prior eras for utilizing such gadgets, just to use such a gadget anyway.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I definitely didn't take it that way. The reboot meant they would build things over time. The sacrificial lamb. The car chase. Getting captured by the villain and tortured.

    The eventual return of Moneypenny and Q. More gadgets, not just technology. To me that was all a certainty. (That line was also mocking bureaucracy and their contempt for OO7 and his tools and methods.)
  • Cubby's approach to making the movies too frequently would compromise the quality of the film often. These days, as fewer people go to the movies as ticket prices are $20 and over, each film needs to be well-thought out. Apparently, EON was smart enough to reboot Bond early on before a slew of reboots plagued Hollywood.

    Plus, with each of Craig's films, except for QoS, they are long enough to give us better transition and character development although Sam Mendes' direction didn't quite live up to its potential on his two films.

    Valid points. And while I'm certainly not expecting a movie every other year like we got for decades, these two gaps of 4 years and 4 1/2 years during the Craig era are simply too much in the opposite direction. It doesn't take nearly half a decade to give us a solid Bond movie. Other film franchises put out quality entries in less time. Hell, Mission: Impossible just put out their most acclaimed and financially successful entry 3 years after their previous acclaimed and financially successful entry.
    3 years between movies should be more than sufficient for the Bond series.
    Plus, waiting around for an actor to make up their mind for 2 years is absurd no matter how you slice it.


    Let us remember though.....Mission Impossible 5 learned from QoS.....Has anyone seen the opera scene from that film? It's totally a tribute, not an imitation, but a kind tribute to QoS with the Tosca Opera scene.

    Around that time, Tom Cruise also got to play alongside Olya Kurylenko, aka Camille, in roles similar to that of a Bond-Camille relationship. The movie was called Oblivion!
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Ha- tribute? More like rip off
  • Ha- tribute? More like rip off

    Sure, but it shows how good of a film QoS was. No Mission Impossible movie can make up for the missing better sequel to the film's storyline, while the Bond producers still have a chance to do so as Daniel Craig is here.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    I was trying to wrap my head around the whole scene involving the geologist, and how he’s at the bottom of the water and how Camille called him or something- but I still don’t think I quite understand what is going on in that scene- do you?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I was trying to wrap my head around the whole scene involving the geologist, and how he’s at the bottom of the water and how Camille called him or something- but I still don’t think I quite understand what is going on in that scene- do you?

    Camille thought she was buying inside information from one of Greene's geologists. Greene knew this, so he killed the geologist in advance and replaced him with Slate, whose job it was to kill Camille for her betrayal. Bond got to him first, kills Slate, then replaces Slate as the geologist (who was already replaced by Slate, being killed by Greene and dumped into the water). That's how I always saw it.
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    Ha- tribute? More like rip off

    So did Bond rip off the free running over the roofs from Jason Bourne who did so in Morocco?- Or was that an imitation, or even a coincidence?
    I found the Opera scene in MI more layered than the Opera scene in QoS, which was nice but in comparison rather tame with the MI opera scene.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I was trying to wrap my head around the whole scene involving the geologist, and how he’s at the bottom of the water and how Camille called him or something- but I still don’t think I quite understand what is going on in that scene- do you?
    Camille thought she was buying inside information from one of Greene's geologists. Greene knew this, so he killed the geologist in advance and replaced him with Slate, whose job it was to kill Camille for her betrayal. Bond got to him first, kills Slate, then replaces Slate as the geologist (who was already replaced by Slate, being killed by Greene and dumped into the water). That's how I always saw it.
    Thanks for the explanation, Creasy - that scene was a bit hazy.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    QBranch wrote: »
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    I was trying to wrap my head around the whole scene involving the geologist, and how he’s at the bottom of the water and how Camille called him or something- but I still don’t think I quite understand what is going on in that scene- do you?
    Camille thought she was buying inside information from one of Greene's geologists. Greene knew this, so he killed the geologist in advance and replaced him with Slate, whose job it was to kill Camille for her betrayal. Bond got to him first, kills Slate, then replaces Slate as the geologist (who was already replaced by Slate, being killed by Greene and dumped into the water). That's how I always saw it.
    Thanks for the explanation, Creasy - that scene was a bit hazy.

    You're welcome, and absolutely, the writers could've been a little bit better in making that point stand out more clearly.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    Ha- tribute? More like rip off

    So did Bond rip off the free running over the roofs from Jason Bourne who did so in Morocco?- Or was that an imitation, or even a coincidence?
    I found the Opera scene in MI more layered than the Opera scene in QoS, which was nice but in comparison rather tame with the MI opera scene.

    The Bourne ultimatum came in 2007 and CR in 2006 which was filmed in 2005. There is a proper documentary as well how they get to know about free running as well. The only thing bond copied was Shaky camera which was a trend of a lot of films at that time.
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    Ha- tribute? More like rip off

    So did Bond rip off the free running over the roofs from Jason Bourne who did so in Morocco?- Or was that an imitation, or even a coincidence?
    I found the Opera scene in MI more layered than the Opera scene in QoS, which was nice but in comparison rather tame with the MI opera scene.

    The Bourne ultimatum came in 2007 and CR in 2006 which was filmed in 2005. There is a proper documentary as well how they get to know about free running as well. The only thing bond copied was Shaky camera which was a trend of a lot of films at that time.

    And the editor and the stunt coordinator from that Bourne movie. ;)
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    SaintMark wrote: »
    SaintMark wrote: »
    Ha- tribute? More like rip off

    So did Bond rip off the free running over the roofs from Jason Bourne who did so in Morocco?- Or was that an imitation, or even a coincidence?
    I found the Opera scene in MI more layered than the Opera scene in QoS, which was nice but in comparison rather tame with the MI opera scene.

    The Bourne ultimatum came in 2007 and CR in 2006 which was filmed in 2005. There is a proper documentary as well how they get to know about free running as well. The only thing bond copied was Shaky camera which was a trend of a lot of films at that time.

    And the editor and the stunt coordinator from that Bourne movie. ;)

    Sure but that doesn't mean it has copied stunts as I said Casino Royale came before ultimatum (for which you said it was rip-off how can someone rip-off which was released more than an year and performed even before that) not a single action piece has been shot which anyone can say was ripped or copied frame by frame in bond. Cast or crew work for multiple films it's not like they are bind to work with only one, for instance Lea seydoux work in mi4 that doesn't mean she came in bond film to do the same thing she did in mi.
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    Oh I am refering to QoB not CR, the race over the rooftops was clearly a lesser imitation including Shakycam and Ulitimatum stunt coordinator.

    The parkour action from CR was impressive and undoubtedly seen in the French parkour action movies which were pretty decent. For me the CR parkour chase is easily the best Craig era stunt.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Shakycam was trend which was followed by mi3 and Batman Begins as well not just bond and for the rooftop chase I hardly see any similarities just because a chase happened on rooftop doesn't make it an imitation if they had used same kind of tricks then I would have agreed with you like mi fallout used wire hanging bomb with helicopter exactly like The dark Knight rises ending, this is what I called doing something shot by shot imitation.

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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Let's reel it back on topic, please.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    I have grown to like QOS more with each passing year. I may be alone in this but I always found CR had too long a running time. The space between the torture scene and then Vesper's death to me dragged. I like that QOS was shorter and a bit breezier. Could we have had more interaction between Bond and Camille? I am not sure that would have been a wise decision.

    I enjoy that Forester tried different things. I like the way each city is introduced. It shows some style and is different from other films. I like Fields and feel if there was an under used character then she would be it.

    I love the opera scene and the fact a group would hold a meeting in such a public place. I thought it was very Bondian. I love when Bond comes on the radio and the rats start to scurry and Bond starts taking pics of them.

    I may have to do my ranking again and somehow I think QOS will be higher in my listing and more likely above CR.
  • @thedove

    Please make that list soon, looking forward to seeing it.

    I think that with QoS, the producers really had it in mind to follow up on many of the lose ends but it never came to fruition.

    So much potential they had....as it's been said before, QoS is one of those films that gains fans with time, each viewing gives off a new package of gifted subtle presents. For example, when you watch the opera scene, notice how people like Guy Haines talk about "The Canadian"....later on guess who that Canadian is!

    Each transition to a new city was carefully crafted in QoS, compared to the confused movies known as TWINE which ended up as one of the most cliched Bond movies that helped bring down the series further towards DAD. Everything from the title card to the score (The Dead Don't Care About Vengeance) being a symbolic reminder that Bond was traveling all over the world to get one step closer to Quantum and finding Vesper's betrayers, to the way the camera shot was done, all the way to the very weather and time of the scene (day/night/sunny/snowy) including all the five elements were utilized well.

    This movie really marked the fact that the Bond movies could be Oscar caliber if they don't try to be Bond movies.

    Anyone here notice the subtle effectiveness of the transition scenes such as when Bond is chatting it up with whoever is driving the Range Rover in London to Craig Mitchell's apartment? The film has that ability to make you feel like you're seeing things from the protagonist's view as though you are alongside them in multiple scenes. For example, the chase through the opera house restaurant (great editing), how the song Quantum is played when Bond finds clues and seeks information, in all the scenes in which Bond and Camille are in the desert (both after parachuting and also when they go to ambush Greene & Associates as he advises Camille to dig two graves...all the way up to the point where Bond is waiting for Yusef at the apartment.

    The film did a very effective job throughout of including the viewers and while certain pieces needed to be put together through further viewings the film isn't one that people can easily get bored with.

    So, perhaps the film deserves a more direct follow up but that would take years to accomplish so that more viewers would be caught up on its true contributions to the series.
  • It wouldn't hurt for Bond 25 to have an intro featuring the song The Dead Don't Care About vengeance, or having a variation of it with the musical notes, to open up the scene. It can also be used at the end of the film prior to the credits to give off a Bondian vibe in lieu of the usual Jame Bond theme which Sam Mendes overused.
  • What did Bond mean when he said "you and I had a mutual friend"?

    Was he talking about Mathis? I doubt Mathis was a friend of Greene.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Bond said that to the Colonel regarding Mathis. They knew each other from Mathis' previous assignment to South America.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    What did Bond mean when he said "you and I had a mutual friend"?

    Was he talking about Mathis? I doubt Mathis was a friend of Greene.
    He was talking to Carlos about Mathis.
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    I love that little bit. Bond getting a few words in before reuniting Carlos with their “mutual friend”.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I love that little bit. Bond getting a few words in before reuniting Carlos with their “mutual friend”.

    Straight up execution, too, one bullet right in the face. One of my favorite kills of the Craig era.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    It’s so cool how he drops in from above
  • Did you guys think he was going to shoot Yusef in the apartment building and say "you and I had a mutual love interest"?
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    For such a massive fan of the film it surprises me you wouldn't know who Bond means when he say "mutual friend"

    No I don't think Bond is going to shoot Yusef, I think that is the point about Camille's line to Bond about vengeance.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    Superb, Bondian scene in Kazan - probably as good as when Pushkin 'must die'. Nice that Corrine thanked Bond too - although it is barely audible, and I wouldn't have noticed if it weren't for turning on subtitles.
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    I love that scene,you can see the self-control in Bond as he fights to control the urge to kill Yusef.

    The inner battle,and Yusef can see it as well.
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    I love that scene,you can see the self-control in Bond as he fights to control the urge to kill Yusef.

    The inner battle,and Yusef can see it as well.

    Plus it was a great twist for M, who was annoyed at Bond "killing every lead!"!
    Whatever you think of QOS before that, you have to admit that's a great final scene with Yusef. Craig looks great in that sequence too.
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