Live And Let Die vs Tomorrow Never Dies - By the Elements

1141517192039

Comments

  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited February 2014 Posts: 13,352
    PTS: The Living Daylights
    Title Track: Thunderball
    Title Credits: Thunderball
    Main Villain: Thunderball
    Main Bond Girl: Thunderball
    Overall Plot: Thunderball
    Dialogue: Thunderball
    Score: Thunderball
    Settings: Thunderball
    Action: The Living Daylights
    Humor: Thunderball
    Cinematography: Thunderball
    Benign Bizarre: Thunderball
    Suspense: Thunderball
    Minor Characters: Thunderball
    Glamor: Thunderball
    Ally: The Living Daylights
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: TB
    Score: TB
    Settings: TB
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TB
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: TB
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TB
    Glamor: TB
    Ally: TB

    12-5 for TB. That is a surprise, as I actually prefer TLD.
  • Posts: 19,339
    PTS: CANT DECIDE,EQUALLY AS GOOD.
    Title Track: TB
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: TB
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TB
    Settings: TB
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TB
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: TB
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamor: TB
    Ally: TLD

    TB: 11 / TLD: 5 ...... that's about right actually.
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    Posts: 3,157
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TB
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TLD
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: TLD
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamor: TLD
    Ally: TLD
  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
    Posts: 4,422
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TB
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: TB
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamor: TB
    Ally: TB (Felix vs. Felix, Kamran Shah is under minor characters)

    I see that TLD has trumped TB, which is surprising as both films are neck and neck in me rankings.
  • PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TLD
    Main Villain: TLD
    Main Bond Girl: TB
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TLD
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: TB
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamor: TB
    Ally: TB

    A blow out for me,

    13-4 The Living Daylights. I'm obviously not a huge fan of Thunderball, probably one of my least fav of the series while The Living Daylights, I'd rank quite up there.
  • PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TLD (only just here, have to say)
    Main Villain: TLD (Koskov vs Largo? Why does this exist)
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TLD
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: TLD
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamor: TLD
    Ally: TLD

    The Living Daylights 17
    Thunderball 0

    The only category Thunderball could win is 'Lullaby Value', but otherwise The Living Daylights trumps it. My number 1 Bond film versus a low mid-table at best film? Come on...
  • edited February 2014 Posts: 2,483
    Glad to see GE win. It deserved to.

    PTS: TLD (TLD is one of the best; jetpack and water cannon hurt TB)
    Title Track: TB (TB may be my fav, but TLD is underrated, too)
    Title Credits: TB (TB's are superb; TLD's are derivative and unmemorable)
    Main Villain: TB (not a strong suit for either film)
    Main Bond Girl: TLD (Kara underrated; Domino overrated)
    Overall Plot: TB (as another poster said, TLD's plot is convoluted)
    Dialogue: TLD (flip a coin here)
    Score: TLD (TLD is my 3rd favorite Bond score, and TB may be No. 4)
    Settings: TLD (Nassau works well, but Afghanistan is almost as good as SW in OHMSS)
    Action: TLD (fairly easy call)
    Humor: TLD (TLD with a fairly big edge)
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: TB (the older films usually win this category)
    Suspense: TLD (the huge set piece in Afghanistan takes it over the Battle of Miami)
    Minor Characters: TLD (Kutze is the only one in TB I rate)
    Glamor: TB (a fairly easy call)
    Ally: TLD (Nutter is much better than Terry, but Saunders and Shah give TLD the edge)

    What about a Henchman category? Necros versus Vargas?
  • QBranch wrote:
    What are some benign bizarre elements in TB or TLD?

    The parrot in the background as Necros and another chap fight to the death at Blades.

    Much of Barry's scoring in TB.

    The Shrublands skullduggery and the fellow with the bandages on his face.

    The quick cutaway sequences to marine life in the TB underwater fights.

    The Junkanoo sequence in TB.

    The SPECTRE conference in TB.

    Whitaker meeting his Waterloo in TLD.

    Necros' balloons and jambox playing Where Has Everybody Gone in TLD.

    Those are off of the top of my head. If I watched the films right now, I'm sure I could find much more.

  • PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TLD
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TB
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: TLD
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamor: TLD
    Ally: TLD

    TLD wins by a mile.
  • SuperheroSithSuperheroSith SE London
    Posts: 578
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TB
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: TLD
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamor: TLD
    Ally: TLD

    14-3 TLD
    Thunderball is my least favourite of the bond films and TLD is in my top 5.

  • What about a Henchman category? Necros versus Vargas?

    The best henchman in the series IMO versus a boring, underdeveloped character? I think it would just increase TLD's lead.

  • What about a Henchman category? Necros versus Vargas?

    The best henchman in the series IMO versus a boring, underdeveloped character? I think it would just increase TLD's lead.

    True, but it should still be a category. And I'm primarily to blame because I am the one who originated the concept upon which this thread is based.

  • Posts: 11,189
    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TB
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD
    Settings: TB
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TB
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: TLD
    Suspense: TB
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamor: TB
    Ally: TLD

    TLD: 8 TB: 9

    Quite close actually
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited February 2014 Posts: 4,479
    TB vs TLD

    PTS: TLD
    Title Track: TLD
    Title Credits: TLD
    Main Villain: Blofeld! (TB)
    Main Bond Girl: TLD
    Overall Plot: TLD
    Dialogue: TLD
    Score: TLD (My favorite Bond score with FYEO)
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TLD
    Cinematography: TLD
    Benign Bizarre: TB
    Suspense: TLD (One of the good things of TB)
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamor: TLD
    Ally: TLD
  • PTS - The Living Daylights
    TT - The Living Daylights
    TC - Thunderball
    Main Villain - Thunderball
    MBG - Thunderball
    OP - The Living Daylights
    Dialog - The Living Daylights
    Score - Thunderball
    Settings - Thunderball
    Action - The Living Daylights
    Humor - Thunderball
    Cinema - Thunderball
    BB - Thunderball
    Suspense - The Living Daylights
    Minor - The Living Daylights
    Glamor - Thunderball
    Ally - The Living Daylights
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489

    What about a Henchman category? Necros versus Vargas?

    The best henchman in the series IMO versus a boring, underdeveloped character? I think it would just increase TLD's lead.

    True, but it should still be a category. And I'm primarily to blame because I am the one who originated the concept upon which this thread is based.

    Other missing categories:James Bond performance and preferred film on an overall basis. The PTS needs to be dropped for the next round featuring DN, so trade that for one of these if that one is returning.
  • Posts: 1,817
    PTS: TB
    Title Track: TB
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: TB
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: TB
    Score: TB
    Settings: TLD
    Action: TLD
    Humor: TB
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: TB
    Suspense: TLD
    Minor Characters: TLD
    Glamor: TB
    Ally: TLD

    TB - 12
    TLD - 5

    It doesn't show but I appreciate both almost equally, TB just a little more.
  • Posts: 7,653
    PTS: TB
    Title Track: TB
    Title Credits: TB
    Main Villain: TB
    Main Bond Girl: TB
    Overall Plot: TB
    Dialogue: TB
    Score: TB
    Settings: TB
    Action: TB
    Humor: TB
    Cinematography: TB
    Benign Bizarre: TB
    Suspense: TB
    Minor Characters: TB
    Glamor: TB
    Ally: TB

    Connery's epic 007 tale versus Daltons 1st is not a big contest for me at all.
  • I haven't been around much in the last few days because MI6 and my computer stopped getting along, so any last submissions before this round ends?
  • edited March 2014 Posts: 3,236
    Doesn't look like there will be any more contributions, so it's time to call this one. After another back and forth match, The Living Daylights prevails over Thunderball 221-202-2. Thanks for another great round, and it's time to start in on two of the most tragic, emotional Bonds, Casino Royale vs. On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

    PTS: CR
    Title Track: OHMSS (terrible choice, #s 2 and 3)
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS (terrible choice, they're #s 1 and 2)
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: OHMSS (couldn't let the one liners cost it twice)
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: CR (Lazenby's great, but CR has the parkour chase and the car flip to beat the ski chase)
    Humor: CR (Lazenby is awful at the one-liners)
    Cinematography: CR (OHMSS is great, but the black and white and the torture scenes seal it)
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: CR (Bahamas and the titular hotel do it)
    Ally: CR (one of the best Felixes against Draco...tough choice but default to Felix)


  • Posts: 2,400
    YES. Decided to do something different; an * indicates a film with the best [insert category] in the series.

    PTS: CR*
    Title Track: OHMSS* (this is literally the best instrumental vs. the best vocal track)
    Title Credits: CR*
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: CR*
    Overall Plot: CR*
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS*
    Settings: OHMSS*
    Action: CR
    Humor: CR
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: CR*
    Minor Characters: CR
    Glamour: CR
    Ally: OHMSS

    10-7 for CR. Both masterpieces.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,196
    Both films are pretty equal in quality (they're both crap), so let's see who ends up on top. Just kidding that they're crap. Quite the opposite, in fact.

    PTS: CR
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: CR (although Laz's fights/ski scene don't make the decision any easier)
    Humor: CR
    Cinematography: CR (near tie, here)
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour: CR
    Ally: CR (Draco is great, but CR has Felix and Mathis)

    OHMSS: 8
    CR: 9

    And the outcome is perfectly satisfactory.
  • Posts: 12,316
    Casino Royale and On Her Majesty's Secret Service?!?! Oh my gosh these Bond movies are two of the best. I love them so much could watch every day... Anyways:

    PTS: CR (both very unique, but CR's is just too cool)
    Title Track: OHMSS (it cannot be beaten; even though You Know My Name is my favorite vocal track in the series, the power of Barry's instrumentals prevails)
    Title Credits: CR (have to give it to CR - it was unique and is still fun to watch; credit to the flashbacks of Connery's first five films in OHMSS's credits though)
    Main Villain: OHMSS (Telly Savalas is the best Blofeld IMO; Le Chiffre was still solid)
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS (just barely; Teresa and Vesper are my favorite Bond girls)
    Overall Plot: CR (close one, but CR has my favorite plot in the whole series)
    Dialogue: CR ("That last hand nearly killed me"; I find CR to be more quotable by a bit)
    Score: OHMSS (my favorite soundtrack in the series)
    Settings: OHMSS (very hard one, but the Swiss Alps was the tiebreaker for me)
    Action: CR (OHMSS was the best at its time, but CR's action is simply incredible)
    Humor: CR (Both are two of the most serious Bond films, but the humor in CR stands out more to me)
    Cinematography: OHMSS (Geez, another really close one, but I'll give OHMSS the edge)
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS (The whole hypnotizing sequences earn OHMSS this one easily)
    Suspense: CR (most suspenseful Bond film, many examples highlighted by the poisoning scene; village scene in OHMSS deserves credit though)
    Minor Characters: CR (another close one, but Mathis and Felix give CR the win)
    Glamour: CR (just epic throughout; the most impressive Bond film to me)
    Ally: CR (have to go with 'ol Felix Leiter even though I liked Draco; Jeffrey Wright was my favorite actor to play him)

    Casino Royale = 10
    On Her Majesty's Secret Service = 7

    These films are so incredible. Craig is my favorite Bond, and Lazenby is my third favorite. There's so many great things about these two Bond films, and they'll likely always be in my Top 5 (CR #1, OHMSS #3).
  • Posts: 12,316
    Birdleson wrote:
    This is an insane contest. These two are in a locked battle for the third spot in my rankings. The only contest of equal magnitude would be FRWL vs GF.

    PTS: CR
    Title Track: OHMSS
    Title Credits: CR (close)
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS (close)
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: CR
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: CR (very close, the parkour chase wins it)
    Humor: CR
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: CR
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: CR
    Glamour: CR
    Ally: OHMSS


    CASINO ROYALE: 9
    ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE: 8

    If I just liked From Russia with Love more we'd have like the exact same Bond taste haha. Good ratings here too.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    Posts: 7,314
    PTS: CR
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: CR
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: CR
    Humor: CR
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: CR
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Ally: OHMSS

    OHMSS - 9
    CR - 8

    Needless to say that some of these categories could have easily gone the other way. This one was so close that it's hard to justify the final outcome.
  • Posts: 12,316
    Birdleson wrote:
    What would you replace it with in your top 4?

    My Top 4 in order are Casino Royale, Skyfall, OHMSS, and Goldfinger. It's actually kind of funny because FRWL is 12 on my list, and I noticed SF is right around there for you.
  • KerimKerim Istanbul Not Constantinople
    edited March 2014 Posts: 2,629
    My #1 and #3 do battle.

    OHMSS vs CR

    PTS: CR (Considerably)
    Title Track: OHMSS (John Barry's instrumental has stood the test of time)
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS (best of the Blofeld's)
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS (poor Eva)
    Overall Plot: CR (slightly more realistic)
    Dialogue: CR (Craig's debut lines > George's debut/ending lines)
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS (less jet hopping)
    Action: CR (Close, but the African rundown puts CR over)
    Humor: OHMSS
    Cinematography: CR
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS (psychedelic Blofeld caps this off)
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: CR
    Glamour: CR
    Ally: CR (Mathis was really the trustworthy one)

    An excellent battle, but CR wins 9-8
  • Posts: 7,653
    OHMSS vs CR

    PTS: OHMSS
    Title Track: OHMSS (John Barry is the best EON ever had)
    Title Credits: OHMSS
    Main Villain: OHMSS (best of the Blofeld's)
    Main Bond Girl: OHMSS
    Overall Plot: OHMSS
    Dialogue: OHMSS
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS (less jet hopping)
    Action: OHMSS (the sinking house stupid action where acting would have been better)
    Humor: OHMSS
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: OHMSS
    Minor Characters: CR
    Glamour: OHMSS
    Ally: CR (Mathis)

    OHMSS wins 15-2, the other fella just does not cut the mustard
  • Posts: 2,107
    PTS: CR
    Title Track: CR
    Title Credits: CR
    Main Villain: OHMSS
    Main Bond Girl: CR
    Overall Plot: CR
    Dialogue: OHMSS (couldn't let the one liners cost it twice)
    Score: OHMSS
    Settings: OHMSS
    Action: CR ski chase)
    Humor: CR (Lazenby is awful at the one-liners)
    Cinematography: OHMSS
    Benign Bizarre: OHMSS
    Suspense: CR
    Minor Characters: OHMSS
    Glamour:
    Ally: OHMSS
Sign In or Register to comment.