LIVE AND LET DIE 40th ANNIVERSARY

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  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Diamonds has its funny moments but yes I agree it's dated considerably more than LALD.

    "Camp" dates more than "serious" on the whole.

    LALD doesn't have long moments of dullness that Diamonds does either (IMO)

    Yes, its parts are more impressive than its whole. It is indeed very dull in places.
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    I wouldn't particularly use the term "camp" to describe LALD. Let's not confuse camp with humorous. The only silly, exaggerated, theatrical scene in the whole movie is the shark pellet that inflates Kananga at the climax. It doesn't really send itself up until that point. Apart from that the tone is rather sinister and uses humour to lighten the load. I can't quite believe today's movie fans are so po-faced that they only like solemn movies.
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    bondsum wrote:
    I can't quite believe today's movie fans are so po-faced that they only like solemn movies.

    Completely agree. I couldn't believe what I was reading when a member on here told me they liked the trend of giving everything a dark, gritty reboot.

    What's wrong with a fun film every now and again? Not all films need to be serious.
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    bondsum wrote:
    I wouldn't particularly use the term "camp" to describe LALD. Let's not confuse camp with humorous. The only silly, exaggerated, theatrical scene in the whole movie is the shark pellet that inflates Kananga at the climax. It doesn't really send itself up until that point. Apart from that the tone is rather sinister and uses humour to lighten the load. I can't quite believe today's movie fans are so po-faced that they only like solemn movies.

    Ok maybe LALD isn't "camp" per se but -like DAF - it is a bit too silly in places for my taste. The couple having their wedding cake destroyed, Mrs Bell, Sheriff Pepper, Rosie Carver...AND Kanangas death. It just feels very "70s" IMO and doesn't really hold up in the way some films from other eras do.

    Then again I'm a big fan of OP so what do I know :p
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    I couldn't believe what I was reading when a member on here told me they liked the trend of giving everything a dark, gritty reboot.
    What's wrong with a fun film every now and again? Not all films need to be serious.
    +1. L-)
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    There's a fine line between the two. I like humour in Bond films but I also like to be excited and gripped by the adventure. I don't want the latter to be lost due to excessive use of the former. I just think a film like LALD slips a BIT too too much into comedy in some sections. Then again I realise that maybe that was what needed at the time.

    Is "farce" perhaps a better word to describe the films of the 70s?
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    I wouldn't clump the Bond films of the 70s all together, @Bain. The first 2 Moore Bond's have an injection of humour but I wouldn't necessarily call them comedies or farce... maybe fantasy thrillers is more apt a title? I'd say the "camp" tag mostly applies to MR. There are certainly elements of camp in TSWLM, FYEO and OP, but the biggest offender is MR which I have no problem calling "camp". It's just that I completely disagree with your analysis of LALD which I think is a thoroughly entertaining film even by today's po-faced standards.

    Indeed, @thelivingroyale. I think the "dark, gritty reboot" is a cinematic fad that will eventually run its course when the public becomes bored of the trend. Personally, I like variety in my films and find the "emo" or "emotional" elements rather tiring.
  • edited June 2013 Posts: 11,189
    bondsum wrote:
    I wouldn't clump the Bond films of the 70s all together, @Bain. The first 2 Moore Bond's have an injection of humour but I wouldn't necessarily call them comedies or farce... maybe fantasy thrillers is more apt a title? I'd say the "camp" tag mostly applies to MR. There are certainly elements of camp in TSWLM, FYEO and OP, but the biggest offender is MR which I have no problem calling "camp". It's just that I completely disagree with your analysis of LALD which I think is a thoroughly entertaining film even by today's po-faced standards.

    I don't dislike LALD at all. As I said its a mid-way entry for me and I find it relitively enjoyable to watch (I would certainly put it above DAF and TMWTGG). I agree that both LALD and GG are perhaps more serious than what followed (Moore definitely played it straigher in those two) but the signs that the thrillers were shifting into camp/comedies/farce began with DAF and continued with LALD and even more with GG (I admit I can't stand some of the comedy in that film).
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    I get the gist of what you mean, though I think you're damning the film with faint praise, @Bain. Personally, I'm okay with the humour in DAF, LALD, TMWTGG as it's still pretty much grounded (apart from the farcical Blofeld in drag moment). It's from TSWLM onwards that I have a problem with it. Sadly, I had a long wait until the release of TLD before Bond would return to his former glories, and trust me that's a hell of a long wait if you were an original Connery fan.
  • hullcityfanhullcityfan Banned
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    I could watch LALD every day and never get bored. Can I do the FRWL one in October (If I'm still here).
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    @bondsum
    I hear what you are saying. Funny thing about it all is most of the critics had begun to criticise Moore's films for being too cartoonish and juvenile. Yet when TLD came out the same jack asses tried to say it was "too serious". Guess we just can't please everybody. I came to accept Moore but like you I did yearn for the "old days."

    I did not care for the campiness of DAF and I found TSWLM and MR very annoying. They were essentially the same film which was a ryclcle of YOLT fantastical plot.

    That being said I will get back on topic: LALD. I understand that in the original screenplay Solitaire was Black and Rosie was White. Solitaire was white in the novel and I hear the studio balked at the lead girl being black so they reversed the ethnitency of the women.

    @hullcityfan Yes, by all means we will do FRWL 50th anniversary come Oct...
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    OHMSS69 wrote:
    @bondsum
    I hear what you are saying. Funny thing about it all is most of the critics had begun to criticise Moore's films for being too cartoonish and juvenile. Yet when TLD came out the same jack asses tried to say it was "too serious". Guess we just can't please everybody. I came to accept Moore but like you I did yearn for the "old days."

    I did not care for the campiness of DAF and I found TSWLM and MR very annoying. They were essentially the same film which was a ryclcle of YOLT fantastical plot.

    That being said I will get back on topic: LALD. I understand that in the original screenplay Solitaire was Black and Rosie was White. Solitaire was white in the novel and I hear the studio balked at the lead girl being black so they reversed the ethnitency of the women.

    @hullcityfan Yes, by all means we will do FRWL 50th anniversary come Oct...

    I wasn't old enough to be a Bond fan in 1987 but from what @Bondsum has said to me it seems most of the "too serious" claims came with LTK rather than TLD. I can see their point, a film like LTK pushed things too far the other way to the point where it became virtually "po faced".
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    talos7 wrote:
    I was 10 years old and Live and Let Die was my first Bond film that I saw in a theater; add to that that I live in New Orleans. I know what I'l be watching tonight.

    Hey, me too! Except I was 9 years old. I think it was not only the first Bond film I saw on screen but also the first non-kiddie show I saw without a parent (my younger brother went with me). We were excited to see Moore's debut because we knew him from reruns of "The Saint" and we didn't know who Sean Connery was (yet). Of course we thought LALD was great! For those reasons, I have a soft spot for LALD despite the occasional silliness. Besides, I became a Yaphet Kotto fan thanks to LALD - he ended up in my favorite TV show of the 90s: "Homicide: Life in the Streets".
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Dr_Yes wrote:
    talos7 wrote:
    I was 10 years old and Live and Let Die was my first Bond film that I saw in a theater; add to that that I live in New Orleans. I know what I'l be watching tonight.

    Hey, me too! Except I was 9 years old. I think it was not only the first Bond film I saw on screen but also the first non-kiddie show I saw without a parent (my younger brother went with me). We were excited to see Moore's debut because we knew him from reruns of "The Saint" and we didn't know who Sean Connery was (yet). Of course we thought LALD was great! For those reasons, I have a soft spot for LALD despite the occasional silliness. Besides, I became a Yaphet Kotto fan thanks to LALD - he ended up in my favorite TV show of the 90s: "Homicide: Life in the Streets".

    Yes, I saw this one when I was very young too. I remember people talking about it at school. It may well have been the first James Bond film that I ever saw but it's hard to remember which for me.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    A big Happy 40th to Live And Let Die! Roger entered in style and I still think this film holds up well today. I've always liked it.
  • edited June 2013 Posts: 512
    I love both DAF and LALD. I think the wit is better in the former, and Connery's delivery is impeccable. That said, LALD is a better looking flim, more exotic and of course unique with its voodoo motif.

    LALD got massive ratings of 27 million viewers when it premiered on UK TV in 1980 I think, at a time before DVD or video of course. Many young fans like myself had seen TSWLM and MR and never had a chance to see LALD at the cinema. So really, didn't the producers miss a trick by not rereleasing it at the cinema in 1980? They would have cleaned up twice over.

    I do find, as I get older, that Moore's delivery is a bit too arch in this, like they are making him (Brit 1950s comedy star) Ian Carmichael at times, maybe to play off against the cool black dudes. They did the same with Lazenby, giving him these insufferable British prig lines, all very affected, which really only Connery could pull off like he was sending it up a bit.

    Anyway, the whole film ushered in a new style, it was a welcome break with the past, though they seemed to both copy the whole LALD style to lesser effect with the next one (same poster, same villain's mistress reeling Bond in plot) while harking back to the John Barry Shirley Bassey song stuff. It was only in TSWLM that Bond got cool and 70s again imo.

    Oh, incidentally, I'm very glad this isn't being shown every other week on UK terrestrial TV, I was getting sick of it and all the other Bond flms too. It was on twice a week at one point. Sky is useful for something.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    I love both DAF and LALD. I think the wit is better in the former, and Connery's delivery is impeccable. That said, LALD is a better looking flim, more exotic and of course unique with its voodoo motif.

    LALD got massive ratings of 27 million viewers when it premiered on UK TV in 1980 I think, at a time before DVD or video of course. Many young fans like myself had seen TSWLM and MR and never had a chance to see LALD at the cinema. So really, didn't the producers miss a trick by not rereleasing it at the cinema in 1980? They would have cleaned up twice over.

    I do find, as I get older, that Moore's delivery is a bit too arch in this, like they are making him (Brit 1950s comedy star) Ian Carmichael at times, maybe to play off against the cool black dudes. They did the same with Lazenby, giving him these insufferable British prig lines, all very affected, which really only Connery could pull off like he was sending it up a bit.

    Anyway, the whole film ushered in a new style, it was a welcome break with the past, though they seemed to both copy the whole LALD style to lesser effect with the next one (same poster, same villain's mistress reeling Bond in plot) while harking back to the John Barry Shirley Bassey song stuff. It was only in TSWLM that Bond got cool and 70s again imo.

    Oh, incidentally, I'm very glad this isn't being shown every other week on UK terrestrial TV, I was getting sick of it and all the other Bond flms too. It was on twice a week at one point. Sky is useful for something.

    You are right on LALD and on those darned TV repeats. Time was when they were hardly ever on TV, then a gamut for a few years. It rather cheapens them, I find.
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    Dragonpol wrote:
    You are right on LALD and on those darned TV repeats. Time was when they were hardly ever on TV, then a gamut for a few years. It rather cheapens them, I find.
    I avoid all Bonds when they're shown on TV. Nowadays I like to watch one at least 3-5 years apart.
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    @bondsum, I hear what you are saying. Funny thing about it all is most of the critics had begun to criticise Moore's films for being too cartoonish and juvenile. Yet when TLD came out the same jack asses tried to say it was "too serious". Guess we just can't please everybody. I came to accept Moore but like you I did yearn for the "old days."
    Yes, that's always puzzled me @OHMSS69. The critics pretty much always gave Bond a rough ride apart from Brosnan. Fortunately for Bond it used to be critic-proof and what was written in the press had no bearing on the BO. Maybe times have changed and today more people take notice of what the critics say? It'll be a sad day for Bond when people only go to the cinema based on the Tomatometer percentage, that's for sure.
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    I did not care for the campiness of DAF and I found TSWLM and MR very annoying. They were essentially the same film which was a ryclcle of YOLT fantastical plot.
    Totally agree, though I have a soft spot for DAF even though it has its faults.
    OHMSS69 wrote:
    That being said I will get back on topic: LALD. I understand that in the original screenplay Solitaire was Black and Rosie was White. Solitaire was white in the novel and I hear the studio balked at the lead girl being black so they reversed the ethnitency of the women.
    Yes, I recall reading something about that. Wasn't Diana Ross' name bandied about at one point?
  • hullcityfanhullcityfan Banned
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    Totally agree, though I have a soft spot for DAF even though it has its faults.


    DAF is not a bad film the only faults are that Charles Gray plays Blofeld and didn't look different from YOLT back on topic.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited July 2013 Posts: 13,936
    Happy Anniversary to LALD! This was one of the first Bond films I saw, and my third one to feature Moore, behind Spy/Eyes Only. Epic film- I never get tired of watching it. Excellent debut performance from Sir Rog'. No sense in going off half-cocked! Love the supernatural themes, too. I'm making the buzzsaw watch ATM, and just realized- what better way to tip my hat to the film's 40th than to replicate a piece of the magic that was Live and Let Die! <:-P
  • hullcityfanhullcityfan Banned
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    Very recently in Vienna such a good song you can't hate it.
  • hullcityfanhullcityfan Banned
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    I rate LALD number 3 out of my top 5:
    1. Skyfall
    2.Casino Royale
    3. Live And Let Die
    4. The Living Daylights
    5. Tomorrow Never Dies.
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    Now this is an anniversary to behold

    Can't believe 40 years have passed since this great Bond release came out, but what else is there to say about this. Favorite Bond movie, has just about everything you could hope for when I watch, lovely Bond girl, action, suspense, thrills, theme song, surreal villains and you never get bored. I wouldn't give any James Bond release 10/10 as I don't think such a thing exists, but for this, 9.5 and fully deserving

  • edited July 2013 Posts: 169
    Because it was the first Bond film I ever saw, I'm always going to have a sentimental feeling for LALD. It's no classic but I'll never forget how excited my brother & I were to go see it. What a great way to start a relationship with the series!
  • AgentCalibosAgentCalibos Banned
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    When the fun Bond era began. This was almost another Connery movie so ive heard.
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    When the fun Bond era began. This was almost another Connery movie so ive heard.

    I think you may have been misled somewhere along the line..

    I wouldn't have anyone other than Roger Moore in that years release. It was the right time for the introduction
  • AgentCalibosAgentCalibos Banned
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    "Broccoli and Saltzman tried to convince Sean Connery to return as 007, but he declined.[2] The two producers then approached Clint Eastwood, who was fresh from his success as Dirty Harry, but although flattered he also turned down the offer, stating that 007 should be played by an Englishman."
    - Live and Let Die Wikipedia

    Its also on the DVD documentary according to the refrences
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    Probably the best place to ask a question that's always been in the back of my head. Why did they shoot LALD (and then TMWTGG) in the 1:85.1 aspect ratio? The films had been 2:35.1 since Thunderball. A change in director would have been understandable, but Guy Hamilton directed DAF in 2:35.1. As much as I love LALD (TMWTGG is okay), it does make the films look slightly cheaper than the other films. Anyone got a clue?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Sometimes the choice is made for purely artistic reasons. E.g. Spielberg shot Jurassic Park in 1:85.1 because it allowed him to
    better fit the dinosaurs in frame. But I doubt that was the reason they shot LALD in 1:85.1. Maybe they were thinking television? You know, making it easier afterwards to have the image fit household television screens? Or maybe it was just cheaper. I hesitate to frame any more hypotheses since I've pulled these two out of very thin air as it is. ;-)

    I know Kubrick played with his aspect ratios quite a bit. His last film, Eyes Wide Shut, was shot in 1:33.1 of all things! I guess because most of the film takes place inside confined rooms, it made things easier to frame.
  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
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    Tobester95 wrote:
    Probably the best place to ask a question that's always been in the back of my head. Why did they shoot LALD (and then TMWTGG) in the 1:85.1 aspect ratio? The films had been 2:35.1 since Thunderball. A change in director would have been understandable, but Guy Hamilton directed DAF in 2:35.1. As much as I love LALD (TMWTGG is okay), it does make the films look slightly cheaper than the other films. Anyone got a clue?
    I had always heard that it was a cost issue but I've never seen a source that confirms this. I would be interested to know as well.
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