Lost but now found! The Unreleased Bond Music Thread!

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  • Posts: 5,863
    In the film, Shaken But Not Stirred is played for 1:50 approximately. The track in the upcoming release is nearly twice as long. I love that track.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 12,052
    What's that then? Is it the techno-y track, "don't let her push you around" etc.?
  • Posts: 5,863
    That's it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 12,052
    I thought I'd heard an extended version of that on youtube to be honest.
  • Posts: 5,863
    I recall an edit in which someone just looped the track and extended it a bit. The source was of course the isolated track from the DVD/Blu-Ray. I'm looking forward to the full version.
  • chrisesqetcchrisesqetc London
    Posts: 21
    Great to have another Bond release. It's a shame it's TND in a way as I think there are a lot of good high-quailty rips out there already. But will be nice to have the official version.

    I guess the question is that now David Arnold's Brosnan films are done, will we see a move to CR/QOS for the next releases? Or keep proceeding backwards to GE?
  • No vinyl release of TND?
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 21,988
    I have several TND scores already. But this one is looking great.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 2022 Posts: 12,052
    Great to have another Bond release. It's a shame it's TND in a way as I think there are a lot of good high-quailty rips out there already. But will be nice to have the official version.

    I guess the question is that now David Arnold's Brosnan films are done, will we see a move to CR/QOS for the next releases? Or keep proceeding backwards to GE?

    I kind of wonder why it's only been the Brosnans, and I know there have in the past been all sorts of rights issues with EMI and MGM over the UA library, so who knows how that all is. Hopefully it won't stop any others from coming out. Well, when I say 'others', I mean Moonraker :)

    Actually, TSWLM is probably the other one which is really overdue a revised release- I'm not sure any of the tracks on the album are the film versions, are they?
  • Posts: 32
    mtm wrote: »
    Great to have another Bond release. It's a shame it's TND in a way as I think there are a lot of good high-quailty rips out there already. But will be nice to have the official version.

    I guess the question is that now David Arnold's Brosnan films are done, will we see a move to CR/QOS for the next releases? Or keep proceeding backwards to GE?

    I kind of wonder why it's only been the Brosnans, and I know there have in the past been all sorts of rights issues with EMI and MGM over the UA library, so who knows how that all is. Hopefully it won't stop any others from coming out. Well, when I say 'others', I mean Moonraker :)

    I imagine it's much easier if the composer of the score is on board with the project. Arnold will no doubt have had all of the cues or sessions for each soundtrack on a hard drive somewhere, including alternate takes, demos etc. as he strikes me as that type of person. He has a great relationship with EON/the record labels/La La Land, so is in a good position to push forward these projects. Also he'll be personally motivated to have all of his scores out there for fans to enjoy.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we see 'Casino Royale' released next year and 'Quantum' the year after, way before 'Goldeneye' or any of the John Barry holy grails.

    By the way - does anyone have a pre-order link for TND, or do we have to wait until Tuesday?
  • Posts: 32
    mattjoes wrote: »
    With Christmas coming soon, I bring gifts. Music gifts. All the tracks are SFX-free, except for one.

    SPECTRE:

    1) Gunbarrel: I put this together using three sources -- an audio rip I found online of the Bond theme heard in the last scene of Skyfall, the film audio of Spectre, and that Guinness World Record featurette music track that was leaked back in the day. The results are virtually identical to the film audio.

    2) Tempus Fugit (film version): I'd wanted to do this for a while. Using the Tempus Fugit OST track and the film audio of Spectre, I put together the music that plays when Bond and Madeleine escape from Blofeld's volcano lair. This took plenty of attentive listening, and a lot of crossfades to get around all the SFX, which I did successfully. I so wanted to have that part at 0:40, where Bond shoots at the gas valve, and that long note played on horns is heard a second time, unlike in the OST track. Considering the part with the flutes, I can only assume the Tempus Fugit track from the OST actually corresponds to the PTS helicopter fight (and in the film, the very end of the cue is replaced with another, unreleased cue). Accordingly, in my custom Spectre album, I have renamed that Tempus Fugit track to Helicopter Fight.

    3) "Spectre Breaks Guinness World Record" featurette music #1 and #2: Apart from the gunbarrel music, the Guinness World Record featurette music track includes two short bits of music, which appear to come from the PTS, when Bond is chasing Sciarra on foot. The music there is just a variation of the Rome car chase music (named Backfire in the OST). I edited the bits of music of the featurette together with each other, and with the Backfire track, to give them a proper beginning and ending. This yielded two short tracks, quite similar to each other.

    NO TIME TO DIE:

    1) Gunbarrel (film version): I used a reverb plugin, along with the rear channels of the film audio, to recreate the long tail off of the Bond theme as heard in the film, and get rid of the scary synth chord heard only in the album. This was my second attempt at this track, after the first one proved unsatisfactory a few months ago.

    2) Home (film version): This is the only cue on this list that includes SFX. It's the Home OST track, but replacing the part featuring Billie Eilish's voice with audio taken from the rear channels of the film audio. I had to apply some severe EQ to get rid of part of the ambient sounds (some sounds still remain), so this track sounds fairly dull in that section, but it's listenable. I present it in two versions, one with beginning and ending exactly as in the album version, and another in which the beginning and ending have been faded in/out. This is because my custom NTTD album features this track at the end of the album, at which point it would've sounded abrupt not to have fades bookending the track.

    3) A Man Named Bond / We Have All the Time in the World: A clean rip of the WHATTITW instrumental, taken from the film audio and combined with the WHATTITW song taken from the OHMSS OST.

    4) End Credits Suite: The end credits from the film. I applied a very subtle limiter to reduce some peaks in the audio and make the whole track sound a bit louder.

    GRAB EVERYTHING HERE:

    https://mega.nz/folder/NJQCEBRJ#pWqgUoi18Xu_Xb0OkNM6ug

    NEXT MONTH:

    In time for Christmas I expect to release three more tracks -- not film rips but recreations using virtual instruments:
    1) Music from the A View to a Kill PTS that plays after Bond spots the iceberg sub (an old request I'm honoring).
    2) Gondola Chase from Moonraker (@DarthDimi, you're getting your wish).
    3) My own Bond theme cover based on the GoldenEye 64 pause menu theme.

    La-La Land Records is announcing their Black Friday soundtrack releases later this month. People are hoping a Bond score is among them. Not trying to get anyone's hopes up, but should they release Moonraker, I'll still do the Gondola Chase music, because it holds great sentimental value for me. Also, to make things more special and interesting, along with the full mix of the track, I'm going to release the individual audio stems of the track (one track where you can only hear the violins, another for the violas, another for the clarinets, etc.). So you will be able to study the arrangement in more detail at your will. This should make the effort worthwhile enough, even if an expanded OST is released.

    That's all for now.

    You, good sir, are an absolute gem. I cannot thank you enough for your contribution to this forum and all you've done for us Bond music aficionados.

    I'm so excited to see what you do with the Gondola Chase from Moonraker. Your work on the Freefall cue was exceptional.

    I have been clamouring for that final cue from NTTD since I first saw the film. Can I ask if it's at all possible to get it without the Louis Armstrong segue?
  • Excellent news! After The World Is Not Enough and Die Another Day, it was only a matter of time, but it's great to see Tomorrow Never Dies is finally here.

    @mattjoes, I too am very much looking forward to the unreleased tracks for Carver's party, especially that extended one. And thank you also for all the outstanding work you've done recreating music from the films!

    mtm wrote: »
    I kind of wonder why it's only been the Brosnans, and I know there have in the past been all sorts of rights issues with EMI and MGM over the UA library, so who knows how that all is. Hopefully it won't stop any others from coming out. Well, when I say 'others', I mean Moonraker :)

    The record label has worked with David Arnold on previous releases of his scores (Independence Day, Godzilla, Stargate, Stepford Wives, Shaft), so that may have made it an easier process. There also was a lot more unreleased from Arnold's Brosnan scores than his Craig scores (Casino Royale was released in full digitally and I believe Quantum of Solace has relatively few missing cues).
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 12,052
    mtm wrote: »
    Great to have another Bond release. It's a shame it's TND in a way as I think there are a lot of good high-quailty rips out there already. But will be nice to have the official version.

    I guess the question is that now David Arnold's Brosnan films are done, will we see a move to CR/QOS for the next releases? Or keep proceeding backwards to GE?

    I kind of wonder why it's only been the Brosnans, and I know there have in the past been all sorts of rights issues with EMI and MGM over the UA library, so who knows how that all is. Hopefully it won't stop any others from coming out. Well, when I say 'others', I mean Moonraker :)

    I imagine it's much easier if the composer of the score is on board with the project. Arnold will no doubt have had all of the cues or sessions for each soundtrack on a hard drive somewhere, including alternate takes, demos etc. as he strikes me as that type of person. He has a great relationship with EON/the record labels/La La Land, so is in a good position to push forward these projects. Also he'll be personally motivated to have all of his scores out there for fans to enjoy.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we see 'Casino Royale' released next year and 'Quantum' the year after, way before 'Goldeneye' or any of the John Barry holy grails.

    By the way - does anyone have a pre-order link for TND, or do we have to wait until Tuesday?

    Yes his being personally accessible probably does help a lot.
  • chrisesqetcchrisesqetc London
    Posts: 21
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    Great to have another Bond release. It's a shame it's TND in a way as I think there are a lot of good high-quailty rips out there already. But will be nice to have the official version.

    I guess the question is that now David Arnold's Brosnan films are done, will we see a move to CR/QOS for the next releases? Or keep proceeding backwards to GE?

    I kind of wonder why it's only been the Brosnans, and I know there have in the past been all sorts of rights issues with EMI and MGM over the UA library, so who knows how that all is. Hopefully it won't stop any others from coming out. Well, when I say 'others', I mean Moonraker :)

    I imagine it's much easier if the composer of the score is on board with the project. Arnold will no doubt have had all of the cues or sessions for each soundtrack on a hard drive somewhere, including alternate takes, demos etc. as he strikes me as that type of person. He has a great relationship with EON/the record labels/La La Land, so is in a good position to push forward these projects. Also he'll be personally motivated to have all of his scores out there for fans to enjoy.

    I wouldn't be surprised if we see 'Casino Royale' released next year and 'Quantum' the year after, way before 'Goldeneye' or any of the John Barry holy grails.

    By the way - does anyone have a pre-order link for TND, or do we have to wait until Tuesday?

    Yes his being personally accessible probably does help a lot.

    I guess the question is whether Eric Serra or the estates of Barry, Kamen and Hamlisch will be as keen? :)

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 2022 Posts: 12,052
    I've no reason to think they'd be obstructive; it wouldn't be in their interest, after all.
  • Posts: 5,863
    mattjoes wrote: »
    With Christmas coming soon, I bring gifts. Music gifts. All the tracks are SFX-free, except for one.

    SPECTRE:

    1) Gunbarrel: I put this together using three sources -- an audio rip I found online of the Bond theme heard in the last scene of Skyfall, the film audio of Spectre, and that Guinness World Record featurette music track that was leaked back in the day. The results are virtually identical to the film audio.

    2) Tempus Fugit (film version): I'd wanted to do this for a while. Using the Tempus Fugit OST track and the film audio of Spectre, I put together the music that plays when Bond and Madeleine escape from Blofeld's volcano lair. This took plenty of attentive listening, and a lot of crossfades to get around all the SFX, which I did successfully. I so wanted to have that part at 0:40, where Bond shoots at the gas valve, and that long note played on horns is heard a second time, unlike in the OST track. Considering the part with the flutes, I can only assume the Tempus Fugit track from the OST actually corresponds to the PTS helicopter fight (and in the film, the very end of the cue is replaced with another, unreleased cue). Accordingly, in my custom Spectre album, I have renamed that Tempus Fugit track to Helicopter Fight.

    3) "Spectre Breaks Guinness World Record" featurette music #1 and #2: Apart from the gunbarrel music, the Guinness World Record featurette music track includes two short bits of music, which appear to come from the PTS, when Bond is chasing Sciarra on foot. The music there is just a variation of the Rome car chase music (named Backfire in the OST). I edited the bits of music of the featurette together with each other, and with the Backfire track, to give them a proper beginning and ending. This yielded two short tracks, quite similar to each other.

    NO TIME TO DIE:

    1) Gunbarrel (film version): I used a reverb plugin, along with the rear channels of the film audio, to recreate the long tail off of the Bond theme as heard in the film, and get rid of the scary synth chord heard only in the album. This was my second attempt at this track, after the first one proved unsatisfactory a few months ago.

    2) Home (film version): This is the only cue on this list that includes SFX. It's the Home OST track, but replacing the part featuring Billie Eilish's voice with audio taken from the rear channels of the film audio. I had to apply some severe EQ to get rid of part of the ambient sounds (some sounds still remain), so this track sounds fairly dull in that section, but it's listenable. I present it in two versions, one with beginning and ending exactly as in the album version, and another in which the beginning and ending have been faded in/out. This is because my custom NTTD album features this track at the end of the album, at which point it would've sounded abrupt not to have fades bookending the track.

    3) A Man Named Bond / We Have All the Time in the World: A clean rip of the WHATTITW instrumental, taken from the film audio and combined with the WHATTITW song taken from the OHMSS OST.

    4) End Credits Suite: The end credits from the film. I applied a very subtle limiter to reduce some peaks in the audio and make the whole track sound a bit louder.

    GRAB EVERYTHING HERE:

    https://mega.nz/folder/NJQCEBRJ#pWqgUoi18Xu_Xb0OkNM6ug

    NEXT MONTH:

    In time for Christmas I expect to release three more tracks -- not film rips but recreations using virtual instruments:
    1) Music from the A View to a Kill PTS that plays after Bond spots the iceberg sub (an old request I'm honoring).
    2) Gondola Chase from Moonraker (@DarthDimi, you're getting your wish).
    3) My own Bond theme cover based on the GoldenEye 64 pause menu theme.

    La-La Land Records is announcing their Black Friday soundtrack releases later this month. People are hoping a Bond score is among them. Not trying to get anyone's hopes up, but should they release Moonraker, I'll still do the Gondola Chase music, because it holds great sentimental value for me. Also, to make things more special and interesting, along with the full mix of the track, I'm going to release the individual audio stems of the track (one track where you can only hear the violins, another for the violas, another for the clarinets, etc.). So you will be able to study the arrangement in more detail at your will. This should make the effort worthwhile enough, even if an expanded OST is released.

    That's all for now.

    You, good sir, are an absolute gem. I cannot thank you enough for your contribution to this forum and all you've done for us Bond music aficionados.

    I'm so excited to see what you do with the Gondola Chase from Moonraker. Your work on the Freefall cue was exceptional.

    I have been clamouring for that final cue from NTTD since I first saw the film. Can I ask if it's at all possible to get it without the Louis Armstrong segue?

    Luckily I had already made a reverb tail off for that part, so this was very easy to make.

    https://mega.nz/file/NZ52wLBa#x1mzz23OrER7lzuUSs9A2HcwdRYv0_vYu2r3BzqirqI
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 13,028
    @mattjoes Thanks for the heads up regarding the TND soundtrack. It's great to see some anniversary love for this film, a sentimental fave. First the BMW bike, now this. 🤙
  • edited November 2022 Posts: 5,863
    TND now available to buy on the La-La Land Records website. Some audio samples available as well. Can't wait for the album to sit alongside my copies of TWINE and DAD.

    https://lalalandrecords.com/tomorrow-never-dies-expanded-remastered-limited-edition-2-cd-set/


    And like clockwork, Warm Butter Design uploaded some images of the booklet, case and discs on their website.

    https://warmbutter.com/albums/tomorrow-never-dies/


    On a related note, I love how this album continues the tradition of "X gets it" track names. A David Arnold idea I'm sure.

    -Carver Gets It (TND)
    -Sub Gets It (TWINE)
    -Antonov Gets It (DAD)
    -Moneypenny Gets It (DAD)
  • MurdockMurdock Mr. 2000
    Posts: 16,183
    If they do GoldenEye next, I'd love it if the unreleased Tiger explosion track is called Tiger Gets It. :D
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 21,988
    If they ever do "Goodnight Gets It", the meaning would be somewhat different. ;-)
  • Posts: 32
    On a related note, I love how this album continues the tradition of "X gets it" track names. A David Arnold idea I'm sure.

    -Carver Gets It (TND)
    -Sub Gets It (TWINE)
    -Antonov Gets It (DAD)
    -Moneypenny Gets It (DAD)

    Moneypenny 'getting it' leaves me cold :-t
  • tqbtqb
    Posts: 1,022
    So someone is going to get that TND CD and......spread Christmas cheer... right? Right? RIGHT?!
  • timdalton007timdalton007 North Alabama
    Posts: 75
    Got the LLL release of TND in a couple of days ago and been listening through it. Very much happy with it, except I swear that the Oxford cue is still missing. Or did I just miss it?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2022 Posts: 12,052
    Oh yes, I forgot I ordered that. The postal service in the UK is up the creek at the moment (and I haven't found USPS to be terribly amazing recently) so I guess it'll come when it comes!
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 21,988
    Got the LLL release of TND in a couple of days ago and been listening through it. Very much happy with it, except I swear that the Oxford cue is still missing. Or did I just miss it?

    You're right. It's not on the discs. In fact, the score brings very little that wasn't on the two-disc 'bootleg' from several years ago, except that SFX are not here, which is a clear bonus.

    I'm surprised they didn't throw Moby's Bond Theme rendition on the CDs.

    Either way, I'm very pleased with this lovely-sounding version of the score. Consider this Bond music fan more than happy.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 12,052
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Got the LLL release of TND in a couple of days ago and been listening through it. Very much happy with it, except I swear that the Oxford cue is still missing. Or did I just miss it?

    You're right. It's not on the discs. In fact, the score brings very little that wasn't on the two-disc 'bootleg' from several years ago, except that SFX are not here, which is a clear bonus.

    I'm surprised they didn't throw Moby's Bond Theme rendition on the CDs.

    That's a good point. I mean, I hate it; but I guess it was part of the film's release! :D
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lagos, Nigeria
    edited December 2022 Posts: 543
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Got the LLL release of TND in a couple of days ago and been listening through it. Very much happy with it, except I swear that the Oxford cue is still missing. Or did I just miss it?

    You're right. It's not on the discs. In fact, the score brings very little that wasn't on the two-disc 'bootleg' from several years ago, except that SFX are not here, which is a clear bonus.

    I'm surprised they didn't throw Moby's Bond Theme rendition on the CDs.

    Either way, I'm very pleased with this lovely-sounding version of the score. Consider this Bond music fan more than happy.

    My sentiments too. Albeit it comes with some alternate tracks and the whole tracks from this release sounds very refined.
  • edited December 2022 Posts: 5,863
    Got the LLL release of TND in a couple of days ago and been listening through it. Very much happy with it, except I swear that the Oxford cue is still missing. Or did I just miss it?
    Since the track wasn't recorded for the film, they would have had to license it separately to include it in the album.




    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I'm surprised they didn't throw Moby's Bond Theme rendition on the CDs.
    Incidentally, the same happened with DAD, which didn't include Bond vs. Oakenfold. I guess they didn't bother since these tracks were not part of the films themselves.
  • Posts: 4,005
    Isn't the cue when Bond gets a phone call at the party different on this CD than the movie?
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lagos, Nigeria
    edited December 2022 Posts: 543
    vzok wrote: »
    Isn't the cue when Bond gets a phone call at the party different on this CD than the movie?

    True. It's very different. The film version starts with a more obvious take on Surrender's melody.
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