SKYFALL: FANS' REACTIONS - GUARANTEED SPOILERS

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  • edited November 2012 Posts: 135
    It was supposed to be a edited spy movie. Sam Mendes, you edited Idiot! John Logan you bloody jackass of a writer! Daniel Craig is the most unlucky Bond as he has put in so much for a couple stupid clueless directors and writers. Thank God for Casino Royale.

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  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    FireSkull wrote:
    It was supposed to be a edited spy movie. Sam Mendes, you edited Idiot! John Logan you bloody jackass of a writer! Daniel Craig is the most unlucky Bond as he has put in so much for a couple stupid clueless directors and writers. Thank God for Casino Royale.

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    And we should take the negative reviews seriously?
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 512
    Yeah, cheers that's right. Thing is, personally I don't really care for these references, because I think that most Bonds should feel standalone in a way. The shot of the Aston being loaded with rocket launchers in Q's workshop in DAF is about as far as I want it to go, but the Aston in SF is just too far, esp as it's not meant to be a silly film.

    It has to be said that whatever you think about the Moore films, they did not hark back to the Connery films nearly as much as every movie from GE onwards. They had the courage of their convictions. A cinemagoer could have never seen a Bond film but instantly get TSWLM or MR or FYEO or LALD, but I rather fancy a newbie might be mystified by SF, because much of it asks that we already know about Bond as an iconic character.
  • RC7RC7
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    It has to be said that whatever you think about the Moore films, they did not hark back to the Connery films nearly as much as every movie from GE onwards. They had the courage of their convictions.

    I agree. I like the fact the Lotus became just as iconic as the DB5 for it's own reasons. I've always wished they'd do similar nowadays. Culture now though is seemingly 50% homage/nostalgia, which is misplaced. It's in everyone's interest to create new iconography otherwise we end up in a situation where we'll eventually be referencing references in some warped hybrid of a world that doesn't have a clearly delineated identity.

  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited November 2012 Posts: 3,497
    The Lotus didn't become as iconic as the AM. The sales for the Esprit went up, but I don't think that many people see it as another "quintessential" car.

    And how those little references annoy people baffles me. He has driven AM's in other films as well. Even in the horrible DAD.
  • RC7RC7
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    JamesCraig wrote:
    The Lotus didn't become as iconic as the AM. The sales for the Esprit went up, but I don't think that many people see it as another "quintessential" car.

    It's an iconic Bond vehicle. Say underwater Lotus to people and they instantly know what you mean. If you don't think it's an iconic vehicle in the Bond universe then you're clearly deluded.

  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited November 2012 Posts: 3,497
    I'm not deluded and you don't have call me that because you can't discuss in a respectful manner.

    I didn't say it ISNT iconic, I said not as BIG as the Aston Martins.

  • JamesCraig wrote:
    I'm not deluded and you don't have call me that because you can't discuss in a respectful manner.

    I didn't say it ISNT iconic, I said not as BIG as the Aston Martins.

    I shared a joke with Germanlady did you show me any respect?
  • DCisaredDCisared Liverpool
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    RC7 wrote:
    It has to be said that whatever you think about the Moore films, they did not hark back to the Connery films nearly as much as every movie from GE onwards. They had the courage of their convictions.

    I agree. I like the fact the Lotus became just as iconic as the DB5 for it's own reasons. I've always wished they'd do similar nowadays. Culture now though is seemingly 50% homage/nostalgia, which is misplaced. It's in everyone's interest to create new iconography otherwise we end up in a situation where we'll eventually be referencing references in some warped hybrid of a world that doesn't have a clearly delineated identity.

    That's right and as much as I loved the DB5 in skyfall , it's starting to become slightly tedious IMO with all the homages of late. The films are at risk of becoming a parody of themselves if it continues.
    Lets have new gadgets ,
    New vehicles ,
    New lines and quips ,
    New villains and new locations please.
    No pressure EON ;)) :D
  • RC7RC7
    edited November 2012 Posts: 10,512
    JamesCraig wrote:
    I'm not deluded and you don't have call me that because you can't discuss in a respectful manner.

    I didn't say it ISNT iconic, I said not as BIG as the Aston Martins.

    Yeah but you don't ever discuss anything. The topic of conversation is to do with creating new icons and not being self-referential or nostalgic. You telling me the Lotus is not as iconic as the DB5 is just irrelevant. What do you actually think, about anything? I have no idea what your opinion is on things because you just iterrupt conversations with one line put downs. Do you think they should use the DB5 again? Forever? Should they be so keen on referencing the past? What do you think?

    Agreed @DCisared
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    The DB5 was seen in almost all Brosnan films too. Did you complain about it then?

    Funny: now all of a sudden my remark about the Lotus is not relevant. And how do I not discuss anything? Please tell me.
  • RC7RC7
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    JamesCraig wrote:
    The DB5 was seen in almost all Brosnan films too. Did you complain about it then?

    Funny: now all of a sudden my remark about the Lotus is not relevant. And how do I not discuss anything? Please tell me.


    I just posed you three questions.

    Should they use the DB5 again?

    If yes, forever?

    Should they be so keen on referencing the past?

    Where's your opinion?

    Stop being a little girl.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited November 2012 Posts: 3,497
    Deluded & a little girl. I've tried to argue in a respectful manner but you just don't seem to notice that apparently.

    The DB5 was used in almost all of the Brosnanfilms. Again, did you complain about it then? And I'm all for a modern Aston Martin, like a DB9.

    Bond actually drives his beloved Bentley according to Fleming, wouldn't mind seeing that either, an old one that is.

  • RC7RC7
    edited November 2012 Posts: 10,512
    JamesCraig wrote:
    Deluded & a little girl. I've tried to argue in a respectful manner but you just don't seem to notice that apparently.

    The DB5 was used in almost all of the Brosnanfilms. Again, did you complain about it then? And I'm all for a modern Aston Martin, like a DB9.

    Bond actually drives his beloved Bentley according to Fleming, wouldn't mind seeing that either, an old one that is.

    Yes, I wasn't a fan of it in the Brosnan era for the same reasons. I also would like to see the Bentley. Finally something we agree on. (Edit: a new Bentley).
  • If the Lotus wasn't iconic, I really would have a problem! ;-)

    Anyway, I think we all can agree that there are different opinions for skyfall and that that is perfectly fine. In a franchise that features so many different interpretations over a period of 50 years...you just can't please them all. There are different visions of Bond. It's even a generation thing!

    What really bugs me about this whole discussion however is the way some argue about it.
    I think some of team pro-Skyfall are overly agressive to some of the guys offering criticism. It should however not be such a shock to the team anti-Skyfall, when their criticism contains swear words, states opinions as facts and includes provocative content.

    If criticism is voiced in a polite and appropriate way, there is nothing to say against it. Some of the biggest Skyfall fans voiced some criticism around here!
    When someone truly dislikes Skyfall, that is perfectly fine! If he/she expresses it in an appropriate way, I am pretty sure no one will (and no one should) attack that person.

    If someone however desperately tries to grab attention and provoke the pro-people, he shouldn't be surprised if there is some sort of backlash.
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    Personally I think they should have brought back the 2CV and gone for "a drive in the county", perhaps around the grounds of Skyfall.
  • Erm, I didn't complain too much about the Aston DB5 in the Brosnan films, but it didn't seem quite right, especially as Brozzer didn't seem a Connery-style hero. He sort of had other cars anyway. Again, the DB5 plays a larger role in CR and SF. It's odd how they shoehorn it in to CR knowing that it's an iconic vehicle and have to maintain it but explain its presence, but if it's the same one destroyed in SF, that's it. End of Aston DB5, rather short tenure and arguably not worth the candle.

    Imagine if the new Batman had to have the old Lincoln style 1960s vehicle tucked away somewhere!
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    DC's bond has "other cars" as well. In SF he only drives the DB5.
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    maybe they should go down the Lotus route and use a car that is not that well known and make it iconic, maybe just leave the Astons for awhile?
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 12,837
    BAIN123 wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    I love GE but SF (and CR) are both better, more tightly directed films.

    I prefer GE to both. I like CR and really like SF but I just enjoy GE more and think it has a bit more going for it. I know people are going to have a go at me for that and now we'll get the same old people bashing GE but that's how I feel.

    I'm not going to have a go at you at all. As I said I love GE, always have and that film has a very personal connection with me, but I have to admit that SF is better (IMO). I suspect it will hold up a bit better as the years pass too.

    Technically if you look at cinematography, etc, SF is the better film. But I just like GE better.

    GE hasn't aged that well (chances are SF will age better) but I don't mind. LTK also feels really 80s but that's still my favourite.
  • Yeah, it's not an issue for QoS. Don't think we really saw the DB5 much in Brosnan's films, only really in an early bit in GE. Cameo in TND. And those weren't really a reboot.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    The DB5 in CR was hardly more than a cameo either, for me.
  • I actually prefer the Lotus to the DB5.

    It was nice to see the DB5 again but I really want a new car now. I think maybe they should move away from Astons too. Jag maybe?
    DCisared wrote:
    Lets have new gadgets ,
    New vehicles

    These two I especially agree with, since in SF there were no cars or gadgets we hadn't seen before.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    I don't think the Lotus aged very well, the same can't be said about the Aston, whose design is timeless.
  • Lotus still looks fine for me. The DB5 is cool but the Lotus is more of a sports car which I prefer.

    And cmon.... it goes UNDERWATER!!! ;) I was blown away by that when I was a kid and I still think it's awesome now.
  • SandySandy Somewhere in Europe
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    Lotus still looks fine for me. The DB5 is cool but the Lotus is more of a sports car which I prefer.

    And cmon.... it goes UNDERWATER!!! ;) I was blown away by that when I was a kid and I still think it's awesome now.

    That IS awesome :D I completely agree.
  • RC7RC7
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    Sandy wrote:
    Lotus still looks fine for me. The DB5 is cool but the Lotus is more of a sports car which I prefer.

    And cmon.... it goes UNDERWATER!!! ;) I was blown away by that when I was a kid and I still think it's awesome now.

    That IS awesome :D I completely agree.

    Me too and ONLY Roger could have pulled that off.
  • edited November 2012 Posts: 12,837
    RC7 wrote:
    Sandy wrote:
    Lotus still looks fine for me. The DB5 is cool but the Lotus is more of a sports car which I prefer.

    And cmon.... it goes UNDERWATER!!! ;) I was blown away by that when I was a kid and I still think it's awesome now.

    That IS awesome :D I completely agree.

    Me too and ONLY Roger could have pulled that off.

    Definetly. The idea sounds maybe a bit too OTT but Moore really makes it work and it turns out brilliantly.
  • Posts: 24
    Having given it more thought, I really think the next Bond film would benefit in a change of writers away from Purvis and Wade.

    Too many of the same themes and storylines keep coming back around. A Bond with an injured shoulder compromising his performance is something we already saw in The World is Not Enough, which also offered us MI6 being blown up and M in peril as the target of the villains.

    And Bond returning after a period of absence from duty, angry, mentally anguished and distrusted by his superiors, was already done in Die Another Day.

    I strongly believe that Paul Haggis was responsible for so much of the success of Casino Royale, and I can only wish that EON would throw enough cash his way so as to ensure his return.
  • Posts: 11,425
    craigrules wrote:
    JamesCraig wrote:
    Craigrules, you can stop trolling. It's not only annoying, but rumor has it you make a fool of yourself and boy you're bringing this forum down.

    Flag me and get me banned then.

    We can only hope. If it was a toss up between throwing u or GL into the shark tank though I'm not sure which one I'd push first. Either way you both have an impressive knack for saying very little of substance but with a disproporionate capacity to annoy/offend.
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