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.......they dont, go and do some research, its only AFP News who published a page in July 2012 that gives the figures you are referring to.
so, by your reckoning that makes TB's adjusted gross as incorrect as per BO mojo, by a long margin.
Its simple really, but people are just using one source for their argument without doing any research themselves...........based on the facts known.
Go to the site i suggested as an example and look at thier tables which were compiled in November 2012.
Yes, very true, we cant really compare, apples to apples due to various factors as you have pointed out.
I'am merely pointing out that the source of adjusted inflation figures someone has posted here does not tie up with other well known respected sources, and i have included that information.
All in all, bums on seats is the best way to compare a films success.
From what ive studied over the years the BO figures for the Bond films are for their initial theatrical release only.............but i could spend several paragraphs going into that detail as well.
The thing is people say this and that...without posting any factual info to back up their claims!
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I did a simplistic Google search and checked around four or five different sites/articles, and they all stated the same thing we've said here for months.
Different sites does not mean that they use the same source. The truth is often more complex and be honest we want SF to be the best ever, even if we fear for the next 007 outing. Perhaps we should ask James Cameron to do it. ;)
give me examples please, they probably just referred to that one page as well.
No one is giving me facts.....
I'am not trying to put the success of 'SF' down, as its fantastic.........but it wasnt on the same level as 'TB' during Bondmania in the mid-sixties.
'TB' now has a reported admissions figure of over 58 million for its initial US run. I remember for years BO sources said TB had admissions of 74.8, but i never quite believed that. 58+ million sounds about right, as it ties up generally with the BO figure attained by TB, considering it cost a little over a dollar to see a film in 1966.
Very well said..............i would like Bond films to be the greatest BO hits as well, but until they reach the dizzy heights that GF and TB attained in the US during the mid-sixties, combined with their international grosses, then it aint gonna happen.
Can anyone here realistically see a Bond film grossing $500-600 mil in the US, in todays world.
The Americans like Bond but they love their comic book heroes even more!
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Hm.. It seems most us here are incorrect then:
again you are looking at this one source only.............it depends on what criteria they used to do the conversion. Others who have done the same thing have come out with a sets of higher bigger numbers for Bond films.
i know everyone wants SF to be the biggest, but you are not being flexible in your outlook and dont take into account other sources conversion figures.
Blinkin heck....................some people are hard work!
Even your arguments aren't a true factcheck. If you say EITHER 'Skyfall' is the most succesful Bond film ever OR that 'we need to do a factcheck because 'Skyfall' can never do the business 'Thunderball' did in the USA': Both remarks are hard to prove.
Why? For the exact reasons you are mentioning. It's like saying 'China and the USA together would not have been world powers today if they only did colonialization in the way Holland did in the 17th century' :-S.
Fact is: Both examples are incomparable. That is a fact. And when you leave these faulty comparisons out, you can still say that 'Skyfall' is the most succesful film in its genre for today's standards. THAT'S why I prefer comparing 'Skyfall' with recent movies like 'The Dark Knight Rises'.
And still then you need to see comparisons into perspective. But that does not make me less excited about what 'Skyfall' did. I am excited, I will stay excited....and I have actually become a bigger Bond fan because of 'Skyfall' :-).
Three double posts and one triple (!) post of yours were merged into one. Please use the edit button if you wish to continue posting when you yourself have made the last post in a thread so far. Thank you.
So your telling me every source is different, so none can be right. What are we supposed to do, call it a tie?
Skyfall will be biggest in around 30 Million, period. Ticket sales, gross profit, period. I'm not hard work, I'm intelligent in the art of common sense. :)
Saying that though I don't think this is Bondmania. Not by a long shot. At the time, in the 60s, Bond was essentially the first proper action film series. It inspired the spy craze and tons of rip offs, people went mental for it.
SF is extremely successful and it'll have made more money than any other Bond film by the end of it's run. But I don't think it's Bondmania.
Put it this way....i'am just commenting on this, because recently a member here made a bold comment which was highlighted on the front page of MI6 stating that whichever way you look at it SF is the most successful Bond film ever, or words to that effect.
Now, when i saw the list that he was referring to, i noticed that this list had inflation adjusted BO figures which were lower than others i had seen in the past.
It appears to me, that there is a lot of wishful thinking here, and that a fair number of mi6 members here have jumped onto the bandwagon, of the original posters info, and have taken that as gospel, and disregarded other sources info...because they want SF to be the biggest Bond film ever, coz its the latest film......though it is strange that as Bond fans you are not interested in figures which show Bond films to of grossed more!
Yes, i do believe, that SF has grossed more than TB internationally when taking inflation into account, and film has still to open in China...........but worldwide, it looks like SF will fall short of TB.
If SF had grossed around $500 mil in North America, then yes i would agree it was top dog......but unless SF grosses really big in China, then it is only No2.
Here are links to other sources:- based on upto date lists using figures for 2012 inflation.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm
this list compiled by BO mojo is updated regularly to show the top films ever in the US.
If TB gross equates to an estimated $582 and the films US BO was around 45% of total BO
then the remaining 55% international total added to the domestic total far exceeds the $1037 mil as quoted by the original poster...............is the penny beginning to drop yet??
then you can look at this page as well:-
http://cogerson.hubpages.com/hub/James-BondHis-Best-and-Worst-and-all-the-rest-Or-mathematical-proof-Sean-Connery-was-the-best-Bond-ever
and this one:-
http://www.soundonsight.org/james-bond-by-the-numbers/
conclusion.........before making claims to the world community, please check that you have done your research, and looked into numerous sources of info on the subject matter, and dont just post the info that suits your wishes only.
OK
No it wont...........period..........youve got more lip than a duck billed platypus!
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Sorry if I you offended the following who are apparently reading this:
President Barrack Obama and First Lady Michelle
Her Majesty the Queen of England
First Secretary of the Workers' Party of Korea Kim Jung Un
President of the People's Republic of China Hu Jintao
United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon
And any other parties offended by my disgusting and blatant attempts at failing to properly calculate the adjustment figures of the gross of a 50 year old film.
My Chief of Operations will be contacting the appropriate parties and issuing official statements of apology.
Oh, I didn't offend any of those aforementioned? Just a guy on the internet who feels he's inclined to dictate an internet forum of hundreds of users when he's just starting his account?
Good. He can piss off.
And @mepal1
You've got a nasty habit of ignoring moderators and their strictly outlined guidelines involving multiple consecutive posts. You may be convinced you can do math, just not sure you can read.
:-\"
Brady you're a dear friend to me ;) But you're the better half of this friendship; you seem to manage dictating newcomers far better than I.
Casino Royale is great! Skyfall could be the best! There is one weak link however: Quantum of Solace
I respectfully disagree. Scripts were bad too.
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Sean Connery > Daniel Craig > Roger Moore > Timothy Dalton > George Lazenby > Pierce Brosnan
I'm tempted as a joke to throw in Peter Sellers, after Lazenby but before Brosnan.
Back to on-topic, what's the deal with box office mojo. They have not updated since the 28th and Christmas Day and Ever are still missing. We should see a big pop in box office numbers once posted?
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I hope we take out Dark Night. Surpassing Thunderball's box office (as determined by BoxOfficeMoJo's inflation adjusted calculation) is a foregone conclusion at this point.
If we got those figures to add on to the $1b then TB (and about time - not a great Bond film) would surely be trounced whichever way you figure it and SF would be nibbling at The Avengers.
I think it's fair to say anything is possible. I don't know too much about the market but if it performs like it has worldwide then I think it's fair too assume it will do better than anyone could predict - even with pirating etc.
But they do expect more from action sequences than SF (and most Hollywood blockbusters) give. And to be fair who can blame them.
In the year that the Bond series bought us Roger Moore snowboarding down a mountain to to the beach boys, Hong Kong cinema bought us Jackie Chan destroying shanty towns, hanging of a bus from an umbrella and electrocuting himself.
Anythings possible but the film has been out for that long now, I think piracy might stop it doing really well over there.
So - all in all - we agree and you just said the same as me in other words. ;)