NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - Critical Reaction and Box Office Performance

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  • Posts: 625
    I see no shame in Bond not being as relatively successful with young American audiences as much as other franchises. Obviously, Bond is not an American character and the films rarely take place in the States. He is a secret agent of a foreign country (albeit an ally). The rest of the cast is also primarily British and international (although NTTD has a couple of big American actors). I'm also not sure just how much soft power British culture and Bond's style carry in the States anymore.

    If the nationality of the character or franchise would be important, Bond would have never been that huge in Germany.
    Yes, many germans played bad guys, and with Waltz and Hans Zimmer we have the german connection with NTTD. But no one in Germany would NOT see a british or american movie just because it's not "german" enough.
    What a sad world it would be if we only went to see our own nations arts, films and music.
  • Posts: 727
    Americans have too many entertainment options it seems.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    @Creasy47 I want to suggest do NOT wait to see it again on the big screen. Then wait a week or so for the 3rd viewing. I just saw NTTD for the 3rd time, each time I enjoyed it more and I noticed I felt it a more 'completed' experience the 3rd time. I will go a 4th time next weekend. But each viewing felt slightly different and seeing the movie two times, within a one week span, really helped me. Helped me to get past a hurdle, is what it felt like. I was able to observe smaller moments I had missed the first time, and helped me to get through the final scenes in a less anxious, even more fully open way. So my 3rd view felt like I was in the moment, with clarity and balanced feelings, all the way through. Visually, it is so rewarding to see it at the theater. Of course I will get the DVD asap; but for this film, an important one that finished this particular Bond's story, I want to give myself the very best, fullest experience of it that I can. Just sharing my personal experience, and I hope you can see it 3 times at least whether you space out the viewings more or not. B-)
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,165
    NTTD is one of the rare Bond films that grows with each viewing. The less you need to keep up with the logistics of the plot, the more one can give in to the emotion of the story.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited October 2021 Posts: 12,459
    When Skyfall came out, I loved it and I love it still - and I remember reading on this forum people immediately picking apart the plot and arguing over plot holes and logistics and blah blah blah. Hey, that's okay if you enjoy that kind of analysis. But don't let it bog you down from enjoying a great film. NTTD has only a few things difficult to grasp in the plot, and that is NOT a major flaw in the movie. This movie is about this Bond's personal story which began in Casino Royale. I am so glad they gave us NTTD and did not leave this Bond dangling in the far more formulaic, mild and ticking the boxes while nearly sleepwalking at times Spectre. I enjoyed Spectre - but NTTD is a serious, beautiful, more balanced film that ranks right under Casino Royale for me. With Skyfall 3rd. My opinions on Bond films usually do not change much after I see them twice. I never wavered on Skyfall, and I am sure I will not lessen in appreciation for NTTD. I certainly did not for CR.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited October 2021 Posts: 12,459
    I have never played video/computer games, but I think the point made about Bond not being part of that world any more is a valid one. If that gap had been filled well, it would be helping NTTD overall. That makes sense to me. And I cannot tell you how many people have said that playing Goldeneye turned them on to Bond, or kept them going. Countless on this forum I think.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited October 2021 Posts: 1,165
    Dropping Bond game development following the disappointing 007 Legends was probably the biggest marketing mistake EON made this entire era. The second was letting the digital licensing for all the Craig games to expire, so you can't easily buy copies of them anymore. If I wanted to track down Blood Stone, eBay is where I'd have to go. (I'm a PC gamer)
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited October 2021 Posts: 357
    I see no shame in Bond not being as relatively successful with young American audiences as much as other franchises. Obviously, Bond is not an American character and the films rarely take place in the States. He is a secret agent of a foreign country (albeit an ally). The rest of the cast is also primarily British and international (although NTTD has a couple of big American actors). I'm also not sure just how much soft power British culture and Bond's style carry in the States anymore.

    Good point, James Bond was at his box office peak during the Swingin' 60s "British Invasion" era, when UK pop culture in general was considered cool in the US.
    Jan1985 wrote: »
    I see no shame in Bond not being as relatively successful with young American audiences as much as other franchises. Obviously, Bond is not an American character and the films rarely take place in the States. He is a secret agent of a foreign country (albeit an ally). The rest of the cast is also primarily British and international (although NTTD has a couple of big American actors). I'm also not sure just how much soft power British culture and Bond's style carry in the States anymore.

    If the nationality of the character or franchise would be important, Bond would have never been that huge in Germany.
    Yes, many germans played bad guys, and with Waltz and Hans Zimmer we have the german connection with NTTD. But no one in Germany would NOT see a british or american movie just because it's not "german" enough.
    What a sad world it would be if we only went to see our own nations arts, films and music.

    Non English speaking countries in Europe don't really have a choice, their domestic market alone is not financially lucrative enough to justify block buster movies with lots of exotic locations, big explosions and GGI, so they have gotten used to having to put up with their cinema being dominated by a foreign language.

    The UK has the possibility to resist that to some extent, although Bond is really the only heavy hitter they really have, franchise wise, but a UK or Irish actor can become a star in Hollywood, even if they often have to compromise their accent in order to do so, and appear in films that have no connection to British Isles culture.

    Outside of the miraculous Arnold Schwarzenegger I can't recall any Europeans making it to true stardom in the last 50 years

    I think it's a sad World when we don't get to see our own nations culture portrayed in films, outside of the low budget art movie / comedy end of the spectrum.

    At least that's how it seems to me here in NZ. Russell Crowe won't be making a Kiwi equivalent of "Gladiator" any time soon, Peter Jackson hasn't tried to make a comercial movie set in NZ since "The Frighteners" bombed and though I'm sure Taika Waititi will try to do something with a NZ flavour somewhere down the line, his talent and value will, to a large extent, be lost to NZ culture from here on in. (Not that I'm criticising them as individuals, I would do the same thing in their place. It's just the natural result of the economies of scale involved)

    Different story in China now though, and India has always had "Bollywood"
  • Posts: 727
    Christoph waltz. Another Austrian, incidentally.
  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    Posts: 357
    Christoph waltz. Another Austrian, incidentally.

    IMO he's a character actor, not a movie star
  • I have a friend (here in the USA) who has seen every Bond on opening night; ever since Dr.No. He hasn't seen NTTD yet. Didn't feel safe going to the theater on opening night with Covid & all. He'll be seeing it "sometime in the next two weeks" in the nearest IMAX theater. Hasn't been spoilered yet & all I told him was that I liked it.

    Conclusion? (A) Covid still has a big impact on the turn-out for us older American movie-goers, and (B) We'll get there eventually. Just ain't a' movin' as fast as we useta....
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    edited October 2021 Posts: 648
    $56 million. Yikes. I guess audiences don't want to sit in a theater for 3 hours during a pandemic with their reward being a tragic, depressing ending. This one's not gonna have legs.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    edited October 2021 Posts: 1,165
    slide_99 wrote: »
    $56 million. Yikes. I guess audiences don't want to sit in a theater for 3 hours during a pandemic with their reward being a tragic, depressing ending. This one's not gonna have legs.

    "I'm going to ignore what's been going on in the world this past year and a half because it supports my agenda."
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    Posts: 648
    Minion wrote: »
    slide_99 wrote: »
    $56 million. Yikes. I guess audiences don't want to sit in a theater for 3 hours during a pandemic with their reward being a tragic, depressing ending. This one's not gonna have legs.

    "I'm going to ignore what's been going on in the world this past year and a half because it supports my agenda."

    I mentioned the pandemic.
  • slide_99 wrote: »
    $56 million. Yikes. I guess audiences don't want to sit in a theater for 3 hours during a pandemic with their reward being a tragic, depressing ending. This one's not gonna have legs.

    We'll know after weekend #2. CR's 2nd weekend dipped by only 5% and had in excess of a 4x multiplier. If NTTD drops to 25m, then its US BO has faltered compared to the rest of the world....just get it out to streamers like HBO Max faster.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 2,015
    NTTD in France had the best 5-day opening box office since Star Wars 9 (that was a pre-pandemic release)

    Figures from a main news website, waiting for the exact figures from movies websites.

    Post-pandemic releases best 5 day openings :

    NTTD : 1.2M
    Fast and Furious 9 : 1.1M
    Dune : 878 000
    Kaamelott : 837 000 (French movie)
    Tenet : 809 000
    Black Widow : 702 000

    And for those who know OSS 117, the 3rd instalment released a few weeks ago alas suffered from the pandemic and did "only" 580 000

    Past Bond French 5 day openings : :
    SP : 2M (helped by a holiday in these 5 days)
    SF : 1.2M
    QOS : 1.3M
    CR : 1.1M

  • edited October 2021 Posts: 3,564
    slide_99 wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    slide_99 wrote: »
    $56 million. Yikes. I guess audiences don't want to sit in a theater for 3 hours during a pandemic with their reward being a tragic, depressing ending. This one's not gonna have legs.

    "I'm going to ignore what's been going on in the world this past year and a half because it supports my agenda."

    I mentioned the pandemic.

    But only in a fashion that supported your agenda.

    We don't yet know whether or not this one's going to have legs. Let's wait just a little while before forming that conclusion, okay?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    And for those who know OSS 117, the 3rd instalment released a few weeks ago alas suffered from the pandemic and did "only" 580 000
    Oooh I'd support that in theaters but it doesn't (yet) have a US release identified.

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7972012/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_ov_rdat
    Oss_117_alerte_rouge_en_afrique_noire.jpg

  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    edited October 2021 Posts: 648
    slide_99 wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    slide_99 wrote: »
    $56 million. Yikes. I guess audiences don't want to sit in a theater for 3 hours during a pandemic with their reward being a tragic, depressing ending. This one's not gonna have legs.

    "I'm going to ignore what's been going on in the world this past year and a half because it supports my agenda."

    I mentioned the pandemic.

    But only in a fashion that supported your agenda.

    We don't yet know whether or not this one's going to have legs. Let's wait just a little while before forming that conclusion, okay?

    It's my prediction. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Casino Royale had legs because it's a good movie that gets better as it goes along and ends on a high note. Word of mouth kept it going. People who were skeptical about Craig ended up loving him (ironically I was on board with him from the get-go but actually soured on him over time). Everything I've heard- even from those who like it- about NTTD suggests that its first half is better than its second. People were calling CR (and even SF, which I disliked) the best Bond movie ever. I don't see anyone saying that here.
  • Posts: 2,400
    slide_99 wrote: »
    slide_99 wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    slide_99 wrote: »
    $56 million. Yikes. I guess audiences don't want to sit in a theater for 3 hours during a pandemic with their reward being a tragic, depressing ending. This one's not gonna have legs.

    "I'm going to ignore what's been going on in the world this past year and a half because it supports my agenda."

    I mentioned the pandemic.

    But only in a fashion that supported your agenda.

    We don't yet know whether or not this one's going to have legs. Let's wait just a little while before forming that conclusion, okay?

    It's my prediction. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Casino Royale had legs because it's a good movie that gets better as it goes along and ends on a high note. Word of mouth kept it going. People who were skeptical about Craig ended up loving him (ironically I was on board with him from the get-go but actually soured on him over time). Everything I've heard- even from those who like it- about NTTD suggests that its first half is better than its second. People were calling CR (and even SF, which I disliked) the best Bond movie ever. I don't see anyone saying that here.

    There's already a member who has placed it at #1 in the overall ranking thread and several others, including myself, have it at #2 with an actual chance that it might become #1. Sure sounds like you're just reading what you want to read and pretending anything that goes against your narrative doesn't exist. Just say you didn't like the bloody film and leave it alone.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,165
    Consider him slimed. :D
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 8,260
    Where are the likes of @slide_99 coming from?!?!?….
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    peter wrote: »
    Where are the likes of @slide_99 coming from?!?!?….

    We believe they've all come from the same computer in a basement in Ipswich.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,459
    Because of the pandemic, we do need to give NTTD more than the 2nd week to get a fair enough view of its success. People need to grab some kind of liquid nourishment that helps them relax (your choice) and stop biting their nails to the quick.
  • Does anyone have England numbers? It's doing well there.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,459
    No #s, but apparently going like blazes in the UK and Germany. Japan love NTTD, too.
  • There's already a decent copy of NTTD online. I wonder if and by how much this could have an adverse effect on the BO numbers, especially Stateside.
  • Posts: 3,275
    slide_99 wrote: »
    slide_99 wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    slide_99 wrote: »
    $56 million. Yikes. I guess audiences don't want to sit in a theater for 3 hours during a pandemic with their reward being a tragic, depressing ending. This one's not gonna have legs.

    "I'm going to ignore what's been going on in the world this past year and a half because it supports my agenda."

    I mentioned the pandemic.

    But only in a fashion that supported your agenda.

    We don't yet know whether or not this one's going to have legs. Let's wait just a little while before forming that conclusion, okay?

    It's my prediction. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Casino Royale had legs because it's a good movie that gets better as it goes along and ends on a high note. Word of mouth kept it going. People who were skeptical about Craig ended up loving him (ironically I was on board with him from the get-go but actually soured on him over time). Everything I've heard- even from those who like it- about NTTD suggests that its first half is better than its second. People were calling CR (and even SF, which I disliked) the best Bond movie ever. I don't see anyone saying that here.

    I agree with this. Quite a few of my geeky movie mates have seen this film now, and after we have watched every Bond film we share our thoughts with each other.

    Going purely by the reaction of my circle of friends, this film is definitely not another CR or SF. Some hated it, others just thought it was ok, on a QoS/SP level.

    If my small bubble is anything to go by, then this film won't have legs. The ending was a step too far for many. And even worse after nearly a 2 year lockdown and pandemic. Audiences want lifting, and NTTD gives the opposite.

    So I think your prediction is spot on, but only time will tell if we are right.
  • MinionMinion Don't Hassle the Bond
    Posts: 1,165
    Anyone calling this a downer ending is too hung up on Bond’s death. We all die eventually, and he died happy knowing he both had a family and a legacy and they were safe. Madeleine telling the story of Bond to Matilde as Louis Armstrong began to play left me and my friends with a big, wide grin on all of our faces. Quite frankly, to most people this ending won’t be any different than Logan or Endgame
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 3,275
    slide_99 wrote: »
    slide_99 wrote: »
    Minion wrote: »
    slide_99 wrote: »
    $56 million. Yikes. I guess audiences don't want to sit in a theater for 3 hours during a pandemic with their reward being a tragic, depressing ending. This one's not gonna have legs.

    "I'm going to ignore what's been going on in the world this past year and a half because it supports my agenda."

    I mentioned the pandemic.

    But only in a fashion that supported your agenda.

    We don't yet know whether or not this one's going to have legs. Let's wait just a little while before forming that conclusion, okay?

    It's my prediction. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Casino Royale had legs because it's a good movie that gets better as it goes along and ends on a high note. Word of mouth kept it going. People who were skeptical about Craig ended up loving him (ironically I was on board with him from the get-go but actually soured on him over time). Everything I've heard- even from those who like it- about NTTD suggests that its first half is better than its second. People were calling CR (and even SF, which I disliked) the best Bond movie ever. I don't see anyone saying that here.

    There's already a member who has placed it at #1 in the overall ranking thread and several others, including myself, have it at #2 with an actual chance that it might become #1. Sure sounds like you're just reading what you want to read and pretending anything that goes against your narrative doesn't exist. Just say you didn't like the bloody film and leave it alone.

    This film will perform well at the BO (I wouldn't expect anything less), but I don't think it will have the goodwill word-of-mouth and legs of CR or SF.

    I'm only going by my circle of family and friends, which pretty much often becomes an echo chamber for a wider picture. It doesn't usually stray that far off. CR and SF was universally praised, QoS and SP not so much, and that pretty much echoed my circle at that time.

    This time round I am seeing a mixed reaction of just ok, to absolutely hating it. This didn't even happen with QoS and SP. I am glad you like it, and another fan has it as their number 1, but it also sounds like you are reading and believing your own narrative too.

    Neither of us are right yet. Time will tell which one will be. Maybe this time my friends and family are completely out of touch now with what audiences go for in 2021. Who knows.
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