Bond gets butchered on TV

PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Whoopi Goldberg
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No, this is not about our favourite super spy getting strung up on meat hooks in a butcher shop on live TV.

We all know movies get edited on TV. My question to you is, where have you seen Bond butchered?

I have two examples, both regarding Casino Royale, but on two different channels - AMC (US) and BBC America.

AMC:
AMC cut two minutes 40 seconds out of its broadcast of CR.Not to mention screwing with the speed. The whole movie. But it wasn't really all that noticeable, except when they'd play music. It would seem that they sped it up to about 1.2x for a few seconds, then 1x for a few and just kept swapping speeds for the whole movie.

The stuff they cut out was mostly establishing shots.
1. The shot of the woman getting onto Le Chiffre's boat is gone. It cuts from 007 looking at the bomb to Le Chiffre wiping his bloody eye.

2. The establishing shot of London when we see M is gone.

3. Bond's drive to the Ocean Club is completely cut out from showing Le Chiffre's yacht to Bond checking his phone. The first shot you see is Bond's Ford going from right to left into the driveway of the Ocean Club

4. The kids following Solange's horse is gone. Instead, jumping from the shot of Bond right after he thanks the receptionist to Solange and her horse viewed from the back.

5. Bond's entire walk to the Ocean Club is cut, cutting from him looking at M's computer to Dimitros kissing the Ocean Club worker.

6. Bond’s helicopter landing at the hotel is cut, picking up with him and Villiers walking along.

7. The shot of Montenegro is missing, cutting directly to Bond’s Aston driving to the parking space.

8. The shot of the general casino after Bond is poisoned is cut, cutting directly to the shot of Felix throwing his chips in

9. Throwing Bond into the car after crashing his Aston is cut before the fade to the dockyards, picking up as they open the door into the interior.

10. The pan of Bond’s recovery villa is cut down to about one second before they show Vesper.

Secondly, what is up with this taxi being blurred on the BBC America version?

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  • edited May 13 Posts: 3,082
    One example comes to mind : nowadays, when OHMSS airs in France, the line "This never happened to the other fellow" is cut. Can't figure why.

    And speaking of OHMSS, there's the infamous ABC 1976 edit :

    the007dossier.com/post/2013/06/18/OHMSS-The-1976-ABC-TV-Version
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Whoopi Goldberg
    edited May 13 Posts: 2,631
    That's a curiosity there. I hear the jokes are different in France vs America due to translation and dubbing. :)
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles Reminder: Unsafe driving will void warranty!
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    When I first saw CR on SyFy (the first time I had ever seen it or any Bond movie) they completely cut the entire sequence of Bond being poisoned. It wasn't until quite a while later that I realized what I had missed.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CA
    edited May 13 Posts: 22,852
    Nothing could be as horrible as the 1976 ABC edit of ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE; it's first airing on network television. It was given a narration by Bond (obviously not George Lazenby), had many scenes edited into a different, often incoherent, order, and was split over two nights. For many, such as myself, it was our first exposure to the film and to Lazenby, and it was a very poor experience. I had read and loved the novel, and had seen every previous Bond film at that point, so imagine my disappointment to finally get a chance to see the elusive OHMSS (unlike the Connery films, it had not been rereleased to theatres and drive-ins) and be presented with this mess. I did not see a proper cut until the '90s! Of course it became an immediate favorite at that time.

    I found this article that got into far greater detail about the cut itself and how ABC had been eating the Bond films with increasing zeal leading up to this one.

    http://www.the007dossier.com/post/2013/06/18/OHMSS-The-1976-ABC-TV-Version
  • Posts: 101
    I had one positive experience with TV butchering.

    In 1995, TBS showed all the Bond films, and as a new Bond fan, I of course recorded them all.

    The Living Daylights was an early favorite for me and I couldn't get over how incredible the theme song was. It was the best song I'd ever heard.

    So after learning to avoid recordings by cover artists, I eventually got a CD with all the original songs, up to Licence to Kill. But for some reason The Living Daylights was not as good as I remembered. Took me ages to realize they had sped up the title sequence on TV by 10% or something.

    So then whenever I wanted to hear that song, I had to pop in my TV-recorded copy of the movie. Weird stuff. But if you get a chance, 10%-faster TLD is the best Bond theme. :D
  • Posts: 27,647
    Never seen any actual butchering of the films here, except one thing that is rather annoying. On commercial channels, as soon as the end credits are about to start, the screen gets divided and the sound heavily reduced, while an announcer starts blabbering about upcoming programs, with snippets of those shown as well.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing South Florida
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    Never seen any actual butchering of the films here, except one thing that is rather annoying. On commercial channels, as soon as the end credits are about to start, the screen gets divided and the sound heavily reduced, while an announcer starts blabbering about upcoming programs, with snippets of those shown as well.

    It happens. That's why I avoid them on tv.
  • Posts: 382
    I still recall the message preceding the Bond ABC network movie broadcasts: Although edited for television, some parents may consider this James Bond film unsuitable for younger family members. Viewer discretion is advised."

    I think one of the fan magazines from the '70s listed all the cuts ABC made. Most were suggestive lines and violent acts, others were cut for time. Although these were often broadcast in 2:30-2:45 slots and OHMSS took up a whole 3 hours.

    Some I can recall off the top of my head:

    DN: Of course the shots of the Dent shooting were shortened, the assassinations of Strangways and his secretary were as well. Dragon tank's flames toward Quarrel are also gone.

    FRWL: The fight with Grant was chopped up. I don't know about the premiere, but a later broadcast cut out the entire gypsy camp sequence. I also think they cut the SPECTRE film crew in the suite when Bond meets Tanya.

    GF: On a later broadcast I was shocked they cut the gunbarrel and precredits and cut right to the credits to accommodate a 2-hour timeslot. The scene with Mai Ling spying on Bond in the jet bathroom was gone and the fight with Oddjob was shortened.

    TB: One rebroadcast cut the gunbarrel and opened on the funeral. Lots of the final fight was hacked up as was the Boivard fight. One line I could never figure out that was cut was Bond's reply "Wait till you get to my teeth" after Domino comments "What sharp little eyes you've got."

    YOLT: A lot of the violence like Bond throwing a ninja star and cutting it from there. I understand when it was first broadcast they hacked up the entire precredits.

    OHMSS: From showings of the normal version, they cut the "He had a lot of guts line;" it just shows the guy falling and that's it. The short scene with the Draco guy using a flamethrower was also out.

    DAF: The scalpels Bond hurls at the guard in the precredits are shortened. The line "I'm on top of the situation" in the fish bed is cut as is the Blofeld clone death jerk after being shot with the piton gun. Also they cut just before Wint and Kidd hold hands in the desert and the line "Miss Case is quite attractive. For a lady." I think they also cut Tiffany's line "Blow up your pants" to the annoying kid at Circus, Circus. And I think they quickly cut away from Mrs. Whistler being pulled out of the water. Franks fight is also hacked up as is Bond knocking Franks over the rail. He's suddenly just laying there.

    LALD: They cut the sequence when Bond and Solitaire encounter Baron Samedi in the graveyard. Also when the henchman slides the knife into Hamilton's side and Mrs. Bell's "Oh shit."

    TMWTGG: When Bond grabs the sumo's bottom and his escape and Chu Mee was mostly eliminated.

    TSWLM: The only ones I really recall were the scene where the crew member is set on fire by a flame thrower, the shooting of the crewmen trying to infiltrate the control room and the second shot of Stromberg, it just shows him falling.

    Can't recall any others from there although there are more. They also cut up some of the Binder title sequences as many were designed for widescreen and always clipped out "James Bond will return in..."
  • edited May 13 Posts: 11,024
    The US sound a lot more aggressive than the UK when it comes to editing movies for tv.

    Here LTK always seems to be the main casualty of editing. If it’s shown before 9pm on terrestrial tv or one of the ITV channels you can guarantee it will be cut to shreds.
  • edited May 13 Posts: 6,447
    BT3366 wrote: »
    I still recall the message preceding the Bond ABC network movie broadcasts: Although edited for television, some parents may consider this James Bond film unsuitable for younger family members. Viewer discretion is advised."

    I think one of the fan magazines from the '70s listed all the cuts ABC made. Most were suggestive lines and violent acts, others were cut for time. Although these were often broadcast in 2:30-2:45 slots and OHMSS took up a whole 3 hours.

    Some I can recall off the top of my head:

    DN: Of course the shots of the Dent shooting were shortened, the assassinations of Strangways and his secretary were as well. Dragon tank's flames toward Quarrel are also gone.

    FRWL: The fight with Grant was chopped up. I don't know about the premiere, but a later broadcast cut out the entire gypsy camp sequence. I also think they cut the SPECTRE film crew in the suite when Bond meets Tanya.

    GF: On a later broadcast I was shocked they cut the gunbarrel and precredits and cut right to the credits to accommodate a 2-hour timeslot. The scene with Mai Ling spying on Bond in the jet bathroom was gone and the fight with Oddjob was shortened.

    TB: One rebroadcast cut the gunbarrel and opened on the funeral. Lots of the final fight was hacked up as was the Boivard fight. One line I could never figure out that was cut was Bond's reply "Wait till you get to my teeth" after Domino comments "What sharp little eyes you've got."

    YOLT: A lot of the violence like Bond throwing a ninja star and cutting it from there. I understand when it was first broadcast they hacked up the entire precredits.

    OHMSS: From showings of the normal version, they cut the "He had a lot of guts line;" it just shows the guy falling and that's it. The short scene with the Draco guy using a flamethrower was also out.

    DAF: The scalpels Bond hurls at the guard in the precredits are shortened. The line "I'm on top of the situation" in the fish bed is cut as is the Blofeld clone death jerk after being shot with the piton gun. Also they cut just before Wint and Kidd hold hands in the desert and the line "Miss Case is quite attractive. For a lady." I think they also cut Tiffany's line "Blow up your pants" to the annoying kid at Circus, Circus. And I think they quickly cut away from Mrs. Whistler being pulled out of the water. Franks fight is also hacked up as is Bond knocking Franks over the rail. He's suddenly just laying there.

    LALD: They cut the sequence when Bond and Solitaire encounter Baron Samedi in the graveyard. Also when the henchman slides the knife into Hamilton's side and Mrs. Bell's "Oh shit."

    TMWTGG: When Bond grabs the sumo's bottom and his escape and Chu Mee was mostly eliminated.

    TSWLM: The only ones I really recall were the scene where the crew member is set on fire by a flame thrower, the shooting of the crewmen trying to infiltrate the control room and the second shot of Stromberg, it just shows him falling.

    Can't recall any others from there although there are more. They also cut up some of the Binder title sequences as many were designed for widescreen and always clipped out "James Bond will return in..."

    Excellent list. That's how I recall the ABC edits as well.

    TSWLM: I believe the short shot of Anya in the shower was trimmed.

    FYEO: Some of the ski chase was trimmed- Bond knocking down the line of skiers.

    The FYEO title credit was moved to the top of the screen rather than below Sheena.

    NSNA: I remember the middle shot of Bond and Fatima's love scene in the boat was cut, as was the vial in Lippe's back.

    TLD: Disclaimer appears at beginning and the Gunbarrel is an open matte: 1:85. In other words, it kind of looks like Binder's DR NO gunbarrel, but with Dalton.
    The naked men running around were cut.
  • BirdlesonBirdleson San Jose, CA
    Posts: 22,852
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    The US sound a lot more aggressive than the UK when it comes to editing movies for tv.

    Here LTK always seems to be the main casualty of editing. If it’s shown before 9pm on terrestrial tv or one of the ITV channels you can guarantee it will be cut to shreds.

    That was in the '70s. Over the last few decades cuts have mainly been made for time (speeding up scene, out cutting lines that the network people consider superfluous). Although I did recently see Professor Inga Bergstrom's imagined crotch blurred out in an airing of TND.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Whoopi Goldberg
    edited May 13 Posts: 2,631
    This is a great thread! What do you guys think? I've been toying with the notion of getting some input on how different jokes are put into Bond movies from dubbing (like Germany, France, etc.), so should I expand this one or create a separate one?
  • Posts: 27,647
    This is a great thread! What do you guys think? I've been toying with the notion of getting some input on how different jokes are put into Bond movies from dubbing (like Germany, France, etc.), so should I expand this one or create a separate one?

    A thread on differences in dubbed versions would be interesting, you should include texting to make it much broader. That way you will get more input.

  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe S.A.R.A.H.
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    In the UK, ITV3 or 4, shows LTK at 4 in the afternoon, and cuts the film to shreds.... a bit like Dario in the mincer (which we don't get to see).
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Whoopi Goldberg
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    In the UK, ITV3 or 4, shows LTK at 4 in the afternoon, and cuts the film to shreds.... a bit like Dario in the mincer (which we don't get to see).

    Oh, come on! That's one of the best parts =))

    "Turn the [not so] bloody machine off!"
  • KaijuDirectorOO7KaijuDirectorOO7 Once Upon a Time Somewhere...
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    One thing I remember from the dubbed Filipino DAF: They cut out the talk of sherry after Bond's "unusually fine solera" line. The good thing is that was actually rather smoothly done. Happens at 6:00 here.

  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Whoopi Goldberg
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    Was that where Bond was like "1971" and M says "There is no year for sherry, 007."
  • mattjoesmattjoes Traveling the world, doing good!
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    In my household, back in the 90s, they taped the Bond films from TV and they had several dramatic cuts. FRWL had the entire gypsy camp scene missing, OHMSS lacked the safe break-in (it just showed Bond entering the building and then cut to his arriving at M's house) and the scene at M's office after Tracy's capture, and DAF was missing Wint and Kidd taking Bond to the pipeline. They started renting them on VHS afterwards (subtitled, rather than dubbed) and to me it was a revelation to see those missing moments.
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Whoopi Goldberg
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    In my household, back in the 90s, they taped the Bond films from TV and they had several dramatic cuts. FRWL had the entire gypsy camp scene missing, OHMSS lacked the safe break-in (it just showed Bond entering the building and then cut to his arriving at M's house) and the scene at M's office after Tracy's capture, and DAF was missing Wint and Kidd taking Bond to the pipeline. They started renting them on VHS afterwards (subtitled, rather than dubbed) and to me it was a revelation to see those missing moments.

    Yes, I suppose so. Would've made a lot more sense, I'm sure.
  • SeanCraigSeanCraig Germany
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    FRWL: The film was (obviously) cut after it was fully dubbed into german - hence still today there are some words missing in the final scene between Bond and Tanja when Bond throws the film into the canal. I bet it was because of the (based on standards back then) "raunchy" dialogue. I was told the film was in circulation "uncut" when it first aired and the reruns were then cut - but the original dialogue seems to be lost forever (in the german dubbed version)
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Whoopi Goldberg
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    SeanCraig wrote: »
    FRWL: The film was (obviously) cut after it was fully dubbed into german - hence still today there are some words missing in the final scene between Bond and Tanja when Bond throws the film into the canal. I bet it was because of the (based on standards back then) "raunchy" dialogue. I was told the film was in circulation "uncut" when it first aired and the reruns were then cut - but the original dialogue seems to be lost forever (in the german dubbed version)

    Oh, yeah. I think there was a missing/deleted line on the original too. Something about a great performance or something.
  • Posts: 305
    SeanCraig wrote: »
    FRWL: The film was (obviously) cut after it was fully dubbed into german - hence still today there are some words missing in the final scene between Bond and Tanja when Bond throws the film into the canal. I bet it was because of the (based on standards back then) "raunchy" dialogue. I was told the film was in circulation "uncut" when it first aired and the reruns were then cut - but the original dialogue seems to be lost forever (in the german dubbed version)

    Oh, yeah. I think there was a missing/deleted line on the original too. Something about a great performance or something.

    Yes, and strangly enought, the line of the performance exist in the french version (while she missing in the English ones).
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Whoopi Goldberg
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    This thread will become active once again on 28 May 2018. BBC America will air Quantum of Solace and Casino Royale. I'll have a complete list of edits.
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    Way back when, the channel TF1 aired a show that consisted of a movie and a debate around a theme. Unfortunately, for time constraints, they often had the bad habit of cutting the movies so as to give more time for the debate that followed. Among the movies so butchered were Time After Time, Outland and... CR '67. Indeed, the whole Scotland scene was cut. Too bad, Deborah Kerr seemed like she had a great time filming it.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    This thread will become active once again on 28 May 2018. BBC America will air Quantum of Solace and Casino Royale. I'll have a complete list of edits.
    Don't know how it will compare, but I witnessed entire sequences removed by the airlines from those two while flying.

    Casino Royale: Bond gets poisoned.
    Quantum of Solace: the dogfight and Bond-Camille in freefall.

    Pretty understandable when you think about it.
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    Quantum of Solace: the dogfight and Bond-Camille in freefall.

    Pretty understandable when you think about it.

    Yes, I recall seeing this one. Perfectly understandable, as you say. Still, an astoundingly confusing edit.
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    Understandable ? Not fo me ! Care to explain ?
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Whoopi Goldberg
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    This thread will become active once again on 28 May 2018. BBC America will air Quantum of Solace and Casino Royale. I'll have a complete list of edits.
    Don't know how it will compare, but I witnessed entire sequences removed by the airlines from those two while flying.

    Casino Royale: Bond gets poisoned.
    Quantum of Solace: the dogfight and Bond-Camille in freefall.

    Pretty understandable when you think about it.

    I get the dogfight with planes attacking each other and nervous flyers and all that, but I'm scratching my head about the poisoning.

    Airline food isn't that bad is it?
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing South Florida
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    This thread will become active once again on 28 May 2018. BBC America will air Quantum of Solace and Casino Royale. I'll have a complete list of edits.
    Don't know how it will compare, but I witnessed entire sequences removed by the airlines from those two while flying.

    Casino Royale: Bond gets poisoned.
    Quantum of Solace: the dogfight and Bond-Camille in freefall.

    Pretty understandable when you think about it.

    Now that I think about it. A good portion of CR (about 1/3) was removed on my flight from Qatar to Baltimore. Granted it was a military flight but still, a lot was removed. I can't remember specifics but I remember going to sleep because of how bad it was butchered.
  • Posts: 27,647
    Instead of butchering films, why not just show something else?!
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