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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    1) How realistic is it, according to you, that Scotland will soon become independent and re-join the EU?

    That is some contradiction.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I was thinking maybe it's time the rest of us
    Had a vote, as to whether we want to keep
    Scotland. :D
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    Sounds good to me !
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    @barryt007, yes, I think I got lucky. I'd already treated them to a round of beer so perhaps that's why. ;-)
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    @barryt007, yes, I think I got lucky. I'd already treated them to a round of beer so perhaps that's why. ;-)

    Aaah that always works with us Brits..well played DD !!

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    You enjoy a few good beers then, @barryt007? I'm from a country with lots of great beer brands, you know. ;-)
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    You enjoy a few good beers then, @barryt007? I'm from a country with lots of great beer brands, you know. ;-)

    More than a few my friend...being half English and half Northern Irish,with a splashing of Welsh,makes me a beerhound not a bloodhound..

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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    1) How realistic is it, according to you, that Scotland will soon become independent and re-join the EU?

    That is some contradiction.

    This is what makes me laugh about the SNP! They have a functional devolved government admittedly with not all the powers yet however? They don't like as they say being ruled or talked down too from Westminster, yet are more than happy too from Brussels!!! Go figure?!!!! :-c
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    1) How realistic is it, according to you, that Scotland will soon become independent and re-join the EU?

    That is some contradiction.

    This is what makes me laugh about the SNP! They have a functional devolved government admittedly with not all the powers yet however? They don't like as they say being ruled or talked down too from Westminster, yet are more than happy too from Brussels!!! Go figure?!!!! :-c

    The EU is the socialist utopia, you see. Kind of like their Vatican.
  • Posts: 19,339
    I couldnt give a shit about Scotland,and nor would Wales and Northern Ireland either.
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I really think the SNP would get a shock, if the rest of us had a referendum about
    Keeping Scotland in the union, and realised the rest of us were getting a little tired of
    All their whining and complaining.
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    I really think the SNP would get a shock, if the rest of us had a referendum about
    Keeping Scotland in the union, and realised the rest of us were getting a little tired of
    All their whining and complaining.

    Spot on....really spot on..
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Guys, I address you now, with a few questions, in a completely friendly neutrality ;-). I'm just trying to understand things and your perspective is very valuable to me. Here goes:

    1) How realistic is it, according to you, that Scotland will soon become independent and re-join the EU?

    2) If that happens, how will this damage--if at all--England?

    3) What do you predict will Wales do?

    About #1 and #2, they're anyone's guess. Though I fail to see the wisdom in removing themselves from the UK, to govern themselves and hitch their wagon to the EU gravy train. Scotland can have one, but not both.

    As for #3, as a Welshman, I can't see us splitting from England, nor should we.
  • Posts: 19,339
    Ashdown 'horrified' by parallels between UK and 1930s Germany

    Paddy Ashdown has said he sees horrifying parallels between 1930s Germany and what is happening in the post-referendum UK.

    The former Liberal Democrats leader told the Hay festival in Wales on Tuesday that he feared for his country, with a huge number of people left “voiceless” as Labour moved further left and the Conservatives further right.

    “My next book is about the German resistance to Hitler, so I’m knee-deep into research of the 1930s and I am horrified by the parallels. I’m horrified,” he said.

    “The way that we have retreated from internationalism to ugly nationalism in Britain. The way that we have retreated from international trade to protectionism. The sense that somehow or other democracy is failing.

    “The habit of lying in our public discourse. What was it Goebbels said? Tell it often, tell it big ... stick it on the side of a bus perhaps and drive it around the country. I’m not saying Hitler is around the corner, of course I’m not, although you might conclude the conditions for something like that to emerge are there.”


    Lord Ashdown was ostensibly at the festival to talk about his latest popular history book about a second world war spy triangle in Bordeaux, but contemporary politics was never far away.

    He said the world would be a better place if more politicians had a better grasp of history. He admitted to sounding “apocalyptic” but said if society parted company from liberal values of “respect, tolerance, internationalism and so on then the next step history shows is something worse”.

    Ashdown said the Lib Dem leader, Tim Farron, was doing a good job but the party was currently too small. He also predicted Theresa May would win the general election comfortably despite what he said was a bad performance on TV on Monday evening.

    Asked out May’s refusal to take part in a live TV debate, Ashdown said he was astonished. “I thought it was shocking and the extraordinary thing is, she’s got away with it. If this was Italy, we’d be stringing people from the lamp-posts.

    “We are the only advanced democracy in the world in which the leader of our nation can get away with not turning up to have a proper debate with the opposition. I think it is extraordinary and we don’t seem to be kicking up a fuss about it.”

    The Hay festival also heard on Monday from the new director of the Victoria and Albert Museum, who accused national museums in London of playing an unwitting role in the decision to vote for Brexit because they had not engaged sufficiently with the rest of the country.

    Tristram Hunt said there was a perception that the big museums were more “Davos than Daventry” and that had to change. The historian, who took charge at the V&A three months ago after a spell as a Labour MP and shadow cabinet member, was delivering a speech outlining the history of the museum and the challenges it faces.

    Brexit was a big issue both logistically and intellectually, he said. “We have to acknowledge, I think, that part of the drumbeat towards Brexit was a sense of too many of our national institutions based in London being out of kilter with non-metropolitan, regional and coastal communities.

    “It behoves national institutions to make sure that we are talking to all parts of the country ... to make sure that we have an offer that isn’t somehow disparate, that isn’t somehow not for the likes of them.”




    Leaving the EU would also bring logistical hurdles, he said. “We are involved in the movement of people, of objects, artefacts, day in day out in museums across Europe. If we are holding those up, if they are becoming subject to visas and export entry requirements that is going to hold up the work of the museum.”
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited May 2017 Posts: 23,883
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Asked out May’s refusal to take part in a live TV debate, Ashdown said he was astonished. “I thought it was shocking and the extraordinary thing is, she’s got away with it. If this was Italy, we’d be stringing people from the lamp-posts.

    “We are the only advanced democracy in the world in which the leader of our nation can get away with not turning up to have a proper debate with the opposition. I think it is extraordinary and we don’t seem to be kicking up a fuss about it.”
    I was bloody shocked to read about this as well. Truly.
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    Incredible @bondjames isn't it ?! :o
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    Not so strong and stable after all.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Indeed @barryt007, and especially given the long tradition and history of lively open & in depth debate in the UK. It's disgraceful really.
  • Posts: 19,339
    Luckily nobody has given a damn what Paddy Ashdown says now,or throughout his political career with the Liberal Democrats.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    From my perspective they should, especially when he's correct (whatever his politics may be). I agree on his point about lying to the public as well.

    He always struck me as a rational sort.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    I think he's bang on to be fair. How you can say you are fit to govern but you haven't got the bottle to debate with the opposition leader (particularly whensaid leader is hapless Jezza) is staggering.

    Although I really do think someone should report him for racism against Italians. If he swapped 'Italy' for 'The Congo' and 'stringing people up from lamp posts' with 'cooked in a pot' he'd have been tried and convicted on Twitter by now and no doubt the police would be getting involved.
  • Posts: 19,339
    Agreed...I cant for the life of me understand why the PM wont have a debate with Corbyn.
    She will never have an easier opponent to beat.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Well I suppose they did string Mussolini up but that was a while ago...
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Well I suppose they did string Mussolini up but that was a while ago...

    Think he'd done slightly more than swerve an awkward interview with Paxman but true they do have form!
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Agreed...I cant for the life of me understand why the PM wont have a debate with Corbyn.
    She will never have an easier opponent to beat.
    May has no natural humanity, she looks awkward and robotic, the reason she won't debate Corbyn is it will amplify this even more.

    Things are very different from a month a go, you might be in for a hell of a shock, it's certainly not going to the be the Tory landslide utopia some of you have been dreaming about.

    May has been absolutely shocking during this campaign, strong and stable, more like dithering and unable.

    Maybe you have been reading too much right wing propaganda, May can't debate herself out of a paper bag on the strength of her performance of late, that is why she won't debate Corbyn and sent her surrogate Rudd along.
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Agreed...I cant for the life of me understand why the PM wont have a debate with Corbyn.
    She will never have an easier opponent to beat.
    May has no natural humanity, she looks awkward and robotic, the reason she won't debate Corbyn is it will amplify this even more.

    Things are very different from a month a go, you might be in for a hell of a shock, it's certainly not going to the be the Tory landslide utopia some of you have been dreaming about.

    May has been absolutely shocking during this campaign, strong and stable, more like dithering and unable.

    Maybe you have been reading too much right wing propaganda, May can't debate herself out of a paper bag on the strength of her performance of late, that is why she won't debate Corbyn and sent her surrogate Rudd along.

    Sorry but that is all bollocks..
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Agreed...I cant for the life of me understand why the PM wont have a debate with Corbyn.
    She will never have an easier opponent to beat.
    May has no natural humanity, she looks awkward and robotic, the reason she won't debate Corbyn is it will amplify this even more.

    Things are very different from a month a go, you might be in for a hell of a shock, it's certainly not going to the be the Tory landslide utopia some of you have been dreaming about.

    May has been absolutely shocking during this campaign, strong and stable, more like dithering and unable.

    Maybe you have been reading too much right wing propaganda, May can't debate herself out of a paper bag on the strength of her performance of late, that is why she won't debate Corbyn and sent her surrogate Rudd along.

    Sorry but that is all bollocks..

    You are living in denial if you believe she is a great debater.

    She's running scared and the complacency that made her think she'd increase her majority has been seriously misplaced.

    We'll see on the morning of June 9th but I think you'll find that things are far from clear cut.
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    I think you will find on June 9th she has a full term as PM.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited June 2017 Posts: 13,894
    If the recent past has told us anything, it is that we shouldn't believe these polls.
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