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  • edited August 2018 Posts: 17,357
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Quist gets killed. Some of the Lowery prints omit the blood apparently. Not sure why.
    I suspect their processing tools detected that the color of the image changes from blue to red and automatically "fixed" it to remain consistent through the shot. Obviously nobody checked the film for potential problems like this one. It's the same with AVTAK and the earthquake camera shaking that was removed. Or OHMSS and the PTS, which looks like it's entirely set at night. Or FYEO and Bond chasing after Locque.

    Quist's death is a great moment, by the way. The color of the water changing, the dreamy/creepy music, Largo kissing the ring and hinting at this perverse loyalty to SPECTRE, going beyond mere business.

    From Quist's earlier scene, I also have Connery's "NOW MOVE!!!!!!1" burned into my mind. Surely his loudest line delivery as Bond?

    ToTheRight wrote: »
    One of my favorite casino sequences. Bond's boat ride to the casino has that Bondian atmosphere that's hard to replicate. SF did an excellent job, though.

    Bond and Domino dance. I wonder if this location is still intact? Probably hard to find I imagine.
    Very cool part of the film, indeed. Elegant, but I find it also has this looming sense of danger. Largo's people hanging around the place, and the still-mysterious fellow with the shades (Leiter, of course).

    I love Vargas' creepy smile when he stands up from the baccarat table.

    SF's boat ride to the casino does give TB's a run for its money.

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    You have very good memory in regards to your history with Bond, the tapes, the clothes.


    The frozen earthquake bothers me most. At one point there was talk of removing the mirrored crew in TMWTGG dressing room fight. Glad they didn't. Actually the removal the of helicopter wires in FRWL and the plane wires in GF and TB I'd prefer they hadn't. Makes me fee like I'm not watching a "true" version of the film.

    I think we may have discussed this before @ToTheRight, but for which releases did they start removing these details?

    The Lowery restorations of 2006 for the UE DVDs.

    I do believe, though for some of the Blu-rays there have been improvements. The PTS of OHMSS looks far better on the Blu-ray than on the 2006 UE DVD.

    If only I had a VHS player to check with my older VHS releases!

    The Blu-ray improvements doesn't surprise me. I really don't like the blue filter they've used. Why did they decide that was a good idea?

    Edit: Here's a comparison I found online:
    ohmss_blu-ray_dvd.jpg
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    Wow that's an amazing difference !!
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Quist gets killed. Some of the Lowery prints omit the blood apparently. Not sure why.
    I suspect their processing tools detected that the color of the image changes from blue to red and automatically "fixed" it to remain consistent through the shot. Obviously nobody checked the film for potential problems like this one. It's the same with AVTAK and the earthquake camera shaking that was removed. Or OHMSS and the PTS, which looks like it's entirely set at night. Or FYEO and Bond chasing after Locque.

    Quist's death is a great moment, by the way. The color of the water changing, the dreamy/creepy music, Largo kissing the ring and hinting at this perverse loyalty to SPECTRE, going beyond mere business.

    From Quist's earlier scene, I also have Connery's "NOW MOVE!!!!!!1" burned into my mind. Surely his loudest line delivery as Bond?

    ToTheRight wrote: »
    One of my favorite casino sequences. Bond's boat ride to the casino has that Bondian atmosphere that's hard to replicate. SF did an excellent job, though.

    Bond and Domino dance. I wonder if this location is still intact? Probably hard to find I imagine.
    Very cool part of the film, indeed. Elegant, but I find it also has this looming sense of danger. Largo's people hanging around the place, and the still-mysterious fellow with the shades (Leiter, of course).

    I love Vargas' creepy smile when he stands up from the baccarat table.

    SF's boat ride to the casino does give TB's a run for its money.

    ---

    You have very good memory in regards to your history with Bond, the tapes, the clothes.


    The frozen earthquake bothers me most. At one point there was talk of removing the mirrored crew in TMWTGG dressing room fight. Glad they didn't. Actually the removal the of helicopter wires in FRWL and the plane wires in GF and TB I'd prefer they hadn't. Makes me fee like I'm not watching a "true" version of the film.

    I think we may have discussed this before @ToTheRight, but for which releases did they start removing these details?

    The Lowery restorations of 2006 for the UE DVDs.

    I do believe, though for some of the Blu-rays there have been improvements. The PTS of OHMSS looks far better on the Blu-ray than on the 2006 UE DVD.

    If only I had a VHS player to check with my older VHS releases!

    The Blu-ray improvements doesn't surprise me. I really don't like the blue filter they've used. Why did they decide that was a good idea?

    Edit: Here's a comparison I found online:
    ohmss_blu-ray_dvd.jpg

    It was an odd choice to give that scene a blue filter. The car kicking scene in FYEO is also different in the various transfers. The early '80's CBS/Fox Home Video edition is brighter and it looks early morning. I think that might have been closer to the cinematic prints. The Blu-ray is very dark. I saw the film screened back in 2000 and remember it looking closer to the CBS/Fox version.

    The 1992 "Digitally Remastered" MGM/UA Home Video VHS edition of TSWLM gave the Nile River scene the same bluish hue as in the PTS of OHMSS. Gone was that beautiful golden sunset.

    The clips in the HAPPY ANNIVERSARY 007 special seemed to use CBS/Fox prints, and I thought most of those looked more true to the colors in the cinema.
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    It's a shame they have to tamper with how the films originally looked like upon release. Improve the overall image quality? Sure – we want the Bond films to look as sharp as they can, but to add something that isn't a part of what was originally on screen (or in the directors vision), well that's just wrong.

    As far as I can remember, I've only watched the early 90's (92/93?) VHS editions, and the Ultimate DVD Collector's Set (Ultimate Edition), and no other releases. Makes me wonder how far from the original films the editions I've seen actually are.
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    Many of the 1992 transfers looked pretty good. TLD, especially. The 1988 MGM/UA Home Video transfers looked good as well, with the exception of some of the Roger films. I thought LALD and TSWLM looked too magenta.

    The 1999/2000 SE DVDs looked closer in colors and framing to the cinematic films, IMO. I should really track down copies those : OHMSS, LALD, AVTAK, TLD and GE to name a few. I traded my entire collection for the UE DVDs back when CR came out.

  • edited August 2018 Posts: 17,357
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Many of the 1992 transfers looked pretty good. TLD, especially. The 1988 MGM/UA Home Video transfers looked good as well, with the exception of some of the Roger films. I thought LALD and TSWLM looked too magenta.

    The 1999/2000 SE DVDs looked closer in colors and framing to the cinematic films, IMO. I should really track down copies those : OHMSS, LALD, AVTAK, TLD and GE to name a few. I traded my entire collection for the UE DVDs back when CR came out.

    I might have a couple 1999/2000 SE DVD's. Incredible I can't know for sure, but I've put a good amount of stuff in boxes the last few years. Will have a look.

    How does the recent Blu-ray releases compare with those releases you mentioned - overall picture quality aside?
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    I have the SE DVD of GE and the colors are different. Brighter and some scenes look totally different.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Many of the 1992 transfers looked pretty good. TLD, especially. The 1988 MGM/UA Home Video transfers looked good as well, with the exception of some of the Roger films. I thought LALD and TSWLM looked too magenta.

    The 1999/2000 SE DVDs looked closer in colors and framing to the cinematic films, IMO. I should really track down copies those : OHMSS, LALD, AVTAK, TLD and GE to name a few. I traded my entire collection for the UE DVDs back when CR came out.

    I might have a couple 1999/2000 SE DVD's. Incredible I can't know for sure, but I've put a good amount of stuff in boxes the last few years. Will have a look.

    How does the recent Blu-ray releases compare with those releases you mentioned - overall picture quality aside?

    The 1999/2000 SE DVD of TLD looks far more like the cinematic print than either the UE DVD or the Blu-ray. As sharp as the Blu-ray is, the colors are more subdued.
    The Lowery LALD Blu-ray improves vastly on the 2006 UE DVD in which the gun barrel blood and titles were over saturated to the point it looked like one's color level on the television was set to the maximum.
    Also during the Crocodile farm escape, the music was remixed losing that funky bass guitar hook. I believe the Blu ray has it on the mono track.

    Some of the Connery Bonds on Blu-ray don't look like the cinematic versions. The colors on YOLT are subdued on the Blu-ray. I saw a 35mm print of YOLT screened a few years back, (old style UA logo included), and the flesh tones were rich. The colors vibrant and deep.

    The colors on the 1999/2000 GOLDENEYE do look more like the film version, except it was timed considerably brighter. No home video version of GE has gotten the gunbarrel right, which had incredibly darker blood n the theater. Almost maroon.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 17,357
    ToTheRight wrote: »

    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Many of the 1992 transfers looked pretty good. TLD, especially. The 1988 MGM/UA Home Video transfers looked good as well, with the exception of some of the Roger films. I thought LALD and TSWLM looked too magenta.

    The 1999/2000 SE DVDs looked closer in colors and framing to the cinematic films, IMO. I should really track down copies those : OHMSS, LALD, AVTAK, TLD and GE to name a few. I traded my entire collection for the UE DVDs back when CR came out.

    I might have a couple 1999/2000 SE DVD's. Incredible I can't know for sure, but I've put a good amount of stuff in boxes the last few years. Will have a look.

    How does the recent Blu-ray releases compare with those releases you mentioned - overall picture quality aside?

    The 1999/2000 SE DVD of TLD looks far more like the cinematic print than either the UE DVD or the Blu-ray. As sharp as the Blu-ray is, the colors are more subdued.
    The Lowery LALD Blu-ray improves vastly on the 2006 UE DVD in which the gun barrel blood and titles were over saturated to the point it looked like one's color level on the television was set to the maximum.
    Also during the Crocodile farm escape, the music was remixed losing that funky bass guitar hook. I believe the Blu ray has it on the mono track.
    Haven't thought of that. Need to check with my DVD; LALD is such a great score too, so it's a shame if they have tampered with the sound mix!
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Some of the Connery Bonds on Blu-ray don't look like the cinematic versions. The colors on YOLT are subdued on the Blu-ray. I saw a 35mm print of YOLT screened a few years back, (old style UA logo included), and the flesh tones were rich. The colors vibrant and deep.
    As far as I remember the YOLT DVD (it's been a while since I watched this film), the colours were alright. Would have expected the Blu-ray to be just as vibrant - if not more! Looks like the Blu-ray collection improves the films in some areas, and make them look worse in others…
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    The colors on the 1999/2000 GOLDENEYE do look more like the film version, except it was timed considerably brighter. No home video version of GE has gotten the gunbarrel right, which had incredibly darker blood n the theater. Almost maroon.

    Interesting. Only seen GE on VHS/DVD myself, so the gubarrel done right is something I've yet to see.

    Why wouldn't the people behind the restorations and DVD/Blu-ray transfers want to keep the films as close to the originals as possible? Why this need to mess with movie history?
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    ToTheRight wrote: »

    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Many of the 1992 transfers looked pretty good. TLD, especially. The 1988 MGM/UA Home Video transfers looked good as well, with the exception of some of the Roger films. I thought LALD and TSWLM looked too magenta.

    The 1999/2000 SE DVDs looked closer in colors and framing to the cinematic films, IMO. I should really track down copies those : OHMSS, LALD, AVTAK, TLD and GE to name a few. I traded my entire collection for the UE DVDs back when CR came out.

    I might have a couple 1999/2000 SE DVD's. Incredible I can't know for sure, but I've put a good amount of stuff in boxes the last few years. Will have a look.

    How does the recent Blu-ray releases compare with those releases you mentioned - overall picture quality aside?

    The 1999/2000 SE DVD of TLD looks far more like the cinematic print than either the UE DVD or the Blu-ray. As sharp as the Blu-ray is, the colors are more subdued.
    The Lowery LALD Blu-ray improves vastly on the 2006 UE DVD in which the gun barrel blood and titles were over saturated to the point it looked like one's color level on the television was set to the maximum.
    Also during the Crocodile farm escape, the music was remixed losing that funky bass guitar hook. I believe the Blu ray has it on the mono track.
    Haven't thought of that. Need to check with my DVD; LALD is such a great score too, so it's a shame if they have tampered with the sound mix!
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Some of the Connery Bonds on Blu-ray don't look like the cinematic versions. The colors on YOLT are subdued on the Blu-ray. I saw a 35mm print of YOLT screened a few years back, (old style UA logo included), and the flesh tones were rich. The colors vibrant and deep.
    As far as I remember the YOLT DVD (it's been a while since I watched this film), the colours were alright. Would have expected the Blu-ray to be just as vibrant - if not more! Looks like the Blu-ray collection improves the films in some areas, and make them look worse in others…
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    The colors on the 1999/2000 GOLDENEYE do look more like the film version, except it was timed considerably brighter. No home video version of GE has gotten the gunbarrel right, which had incredibly darker blood n the theater. Almost maroon.

    Interesting. Only seen GE on VHS/DVD myself, so the gubarrel done right is something I've yet to see.

    Why wouldn't the people behind the restorations and DVD/Blu-ray transfers want to keep the films as close to the originals as possible? Why this need to mess with movie history?

    The other Brosnan gunbarrels had slightly brighter blood, which is pretty much how they all look on DVD and Blu-ray. Only in the cinema did GE's blood look so dark, almost like the same shade as the CR gunbarrel blood.

    I think as the films get older, it must be more difficult to try and restore the films to their original glory. Apparently, the original negative for DR NO was in pretty good shape, hence the Blu-ray of that film does look pretty faithful to the cinematic prints I've seen.

    Interestingly, the 1992 MGM/UA Home Video "remastered version" changed the titles a bit. The "starring Sean Connery" title card changed those circled 007's from red to green. Some of the colorful dots were changed in that version as well.

    As far as sound remixing, the digital audio tracks have substantial differences: the door opening as Largo enters the Spectre meeting was added, diminishing his footsteps. the cat's meow in the DAF PTS is different. The music re-mix after Bond leaps over the crocodiles in LALD. There's probably more.

    I believe there is an interview somewhere with Norman Wanstall where he lamented the changes for the UE DVD's. Graham Rye also had an article for 007 magazine describing the changes. I imagine it might still be on that website somewhere.
  • edited August 2018 Posts: 17,357
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »

    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Many of the 1992 transfers looked pretty good. TLD, especially. The 1988 MGM/UA Home Video transfers looked good as well, with the exception of some of the Roger films. I thought LALD and TSWLM looked too magenta.

    The 1999/2000 SE DVDs looked closer in colors and framing to the cinematic films, IMO. I should really track down copies those : OHMSS, LALD, AVTAK, TLD and GE to name a few. I traded my entire collection for the UE DVDs back when CR came out.

    I might have a couple 1999/2000 SE DVD's. Incredible I can't know for sure, but I've put a good amount of stuff in boxes the last few years. Will have a look.

    How does the recent Blu-ray releases compare with those releases you mentioned - overall picture quality aside?

    The 1999/2000 SE DVD of TLD looks far more like the cinematic print than either the UE DVD or the Blu-ray. As sharp as the Blu-ray is, the colors are more subdued.
    The Lowery LALD Blu-ray improves vastly on the 2006 UE DVD in which the gun barrel blood and titles were over saturated to the point it looked like one's color level on the television was set to the maximum.
    Also during the Crocodile farm escape, the music was remixed losing that funky bass guitar hook. I believe the Blu ray has it on the mono track.
    Haven't thought of that. Need to check with my DVD; LALD is such a great score too, so it's a shame if they have tampered with the sound mix!
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Some of the Connery Bonds on Blu-ray don't look like the cinematic versions. The colors on YOLT are subdued on the Blu-ray. I saw a 35mm print of YOLT screened a few years back, (old style UA logo included), and the flesh tones were rich. The colors vibrant and deep.
    As far as I remember the YOLT DVD (it's been a while since I watched this film), the colours were alright. Would have expected the Blu-ray to be just as vibrant - if not more! Looks like the Blu-ray collection improves the films in some areas, and make them look worse in others…
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    The colors on the 1999/2000 GOLDENEYE do look more like the film version, except it was timed considerably brighter. No home video version of GE has gotten the gunbarrel right, which had incredibly darker blood n the theater. Almost maroon.

    Interesting. Only seen GE on VHS/DVD myself, so the gubarrel done right is something I've yet to see.

    Why wouldn't the people behind the restorations and DVD/Blu-ray transfers want to keep the films as close to the originals as possible? Why this need to mess with movie history?

    The other Brosnan gunbarrels had slightly brighter blood, which is pretty much how they all look on DVD and Blu-ray. Only in the cinema did GE's blood look so dark, almost like the same shade as the CR gunbarrel blood.

    Good to see they didn't change all of them (too much)! I've always liked the GE gunbarrel (music aside), and it would be interesting to see a version that's closer to the cinema release.
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I think as the films get older, it must be more difficult to try and restore the films to their original glory. Apparently, the original negative for DR NO was in pretty good shape, hence the Blu-ray of that film does look pretty faithful to the cinematic prints I've seen.

    That's true of course. Interesting that the negative of the oldest of the films was in such good shape! Do you know if there were any negatives that weren't as good?
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Interestingly, the 1992 MGM/UA Home Video "remastered version" changed the titles a bit. The "starring Sean Connery" title card changed those circled 007's from red to green. Some of the colorful dots were changed in that version as well.

    This seems like a very unnecessary thing to do! Can't see why changing the colours would be a good idea at all, really.
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    As far as sound remixing, the digital audio tracks have substantial differences: the door opening as Largo enters the Spectre meeting was added, diminishing his footsteps. the cat's meow in the DAF PTS is different. The music re-mix after Bond leaps over the crocodiles in LALD. There's probably more.

    I believe there is an interview somewhere with Norman Wanstall where he lamented the changes for the UE DVD's. Graham Rye also had an article for 007 magazine describing the changes. I imagine it might still be on that website somewhere.

    This is just incredible. Can't say I've noticed this, but knowing now that they've altered on so much, It'll be difficult to see the films in the same way!
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »

    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Many of the 1992 transfers looked pretty good. TLD, especially. The 1988 MGM/UA Home Video transfers looked good as well, with the exception of some of the Roger films. I thought LALD and TSWLM looked too magenta.

    The 1999/2000 SE DVDs looked closer in colors and framing to the cinematic films, IMO. I should really track down copies those : OHMSS, LALD, AVTAK, TLD and GE to name a few. I traded my entire collection for the UE DVDs back when CR came out.

    I might have a couple 1999/2000 SE DVD's. Incredible I can't know for sure, but I've put a good amount of stuff in boxes the last few years. Will have a look.

    How does the recent Blu-ray releases compare with those releases you mentioned - overall picture quality aside?

    The 1999/2000 SE DVD of TLD looks far more like the cinematic print than either the UE DVD or the Blu-ray. As sharp as the Blu-ray is, the colors are more subdued.
    The Lowery LALD Blu-ray improves vastly on the 2006 UE DVD in which the gun barrel blood and titles were over saturated to the point it looked like one's color level on the television was set to the maximum.
    Also during the Crocodile farm escape, the music was remixed losing that funky bass guitar hook. I believe the Blu ray has it on the mono track.
    Haven't thought of that. Need to check with my DVD; LALD is such a great score too, so it's a shame if they have tampered with the sound mix!
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Some of the Connery Bonds on Blu-ray don't look like the cinematic versions. The colors on YOLT are subdued on the Blu-ray. I saw a 35mm print of YOLT screened a few years back, (old style UA logo included), and the flesh tones were rich. The colors vibrant and deep.
    As far as I remember the YOLT DVD (it's been a while since I watched this film), the colours were alright. Would have expected the Blu-ray to be just as vibrant - if not more! Looks like the Blu-ray collection improves the films in some areas, and make them look worse in others…
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    The colors on the 1999/2000 GOLDENEYE do look more like the film version, except it was timed considerably brighter. No home video version of GE has gotten the gunbarrel right, which had incredibly darker blood n the theater. Almost maroon.

    Interesting. Only seen GE on VHS/DVD myself, so the gubarrel done right is something I've yet to see.

    Why wouldn't the people behind the restorations and DVD/Blu-ray transfers want to keep the films as close to the originals as possible? Why this need to mess with movie history?

    The other Brosnan gunbarrels had slightly brighter blood, which is pretty much how they all look on DVD and Blu-ray. Only in the cinema did GE's blood look so dark, almost like the same shade as the CR gunbarrel blood.

    Good to see they didn't change all of them (too much)! I've always liked the GE gunbarrel (music aside), and it would be interesting to see a version that's closer to the cinema release.
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I think as the films get older, it must be more difficult to try and restore the films to their original glory. Apparently, the original negative for DR NO was in pretty good shape, hence the Blu-ray of that film does look pretty faithful to the cinematic prints I've seen.

    That's true of course. Interesting that the negative of the oldest of the films was in such good shape! Do you know if there were any negatives that weren't as good?
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Interestingly, the 1992 MGM/UA Home Video "remastered version" changed the titles a bit. The "starring Sean Connery" title card changed those circled 007's from red to green. Some of the colorful dots were changed in that version as well.

    This seems like a very unnecessary thing to do! Can't see why changing the colours would be a good idea at all, really.
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    As far as sound remixing, the digital audio tracks have substantial differences: the door opening as Largo enters the Spectre meeting was added, diminishing his footsteps. the cat's meow in the DAF PTS is different. The music re-mix after Bond leaps over the crocodiles in LALD. There's probably more.

    I believe there is an interview somewhere with Norman Wanstall where he lamented the changes for the UE DVD's. Graham Rye also had an article for 007 magazine describing the changes. I imagine it might still be on that website somewhere.

    This is just incredible. Can't say I've noticed this, but knowing now that they've altered on so much, It'll be difficult to see the films in the same way!

    The Lowery restoration feature on the DN Blu-ray seems to mention the quality of DN specifically. Some of the other films were more difficult to restore, but I don't believe they specified.

    I've also noticed on YOLT, as Bond is about to exit M's office he says "Yes, Sir" twice. His inflection is different both times in the original mono track. In the remastered digital audio, they simply repeat his first reading of the line. Odd.

  • edited August 2018 Posts: 17,357
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »

    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Many of the 1992 transfers looked pretty good. TLD, especially. The 1988 MGM/UA Home Video transfers looked good as well, with the exception of some of the Roger films. I thought LALD and TSWLM looked too magenta.

    The 1999/2000 SE DVDs looked closer in colors and framing to the cinematic films, IMO. I should really track down copies those : OHMSS, LALD, AVTAK, TLD and GE to name a few. I traded my entire collection for the UE DVDs back when CR came out.

    I might have a couple 1999/2000 SE DVD's. Incredible I can't know for sure, but I've put a good amount of stuff in boxes the last few years. Will have a look.

    How does the recent Blu-ray releases compare with those releases you mentioned - overall picture quality aside?

    The 1999/2000 SE DVD of TLD looks far more like the cinematic print than either the UE DVD or the Blu-ray. As sharp as the Blu-ray is, the colors are more subdued.
    The Lowery LALD Blu-ray improves vastly on the 2006 UE DVD in which the gun barrel blood and titles were over saturated to the point it looked like one's color level on the television was set to the maximum.
    Also during the Crocodile farm escape, the music was remixed losing that funky bass guitar hook. I believe the Blu ray has it on the mono track.
    Haven't thought of that. Need to check with my DVD; LALD is such a great score too, so it's a shame if they have tampered with the sound mix!
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Some of the Connery Bonds on Blu-ray don't look like the cinematic versions. The colors on YOLT are subdued on the Blu-ray. I saw a 35mm print of YOLT screened a few years back, (old style UA logo included), and the flesh tones were rich. The colors vibrant and deep.
    As far as I remember the YOLT DVD (it's been a while since I watched this film), the colours were alright. Would have expected the Blu-ray to be just as vibrant - if not more! Looks like the Blu-ray collection improves the films in some areas, and make them look worse in others…
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    The colors on the 1999/2000 GOLDENEYE do look more like the film version, except it was timed considerably brighter. No home video version of GE has gotten the gunbarrel right, which had incredibly darker blood n the theater. Almost maroon.

    Interesting. Only seen GE on VHS/DVD myself, so the gubarrel done right is something I've yet to see.

    Why wouldn't the people behind the restorations and DVD/Blu-ray transfers want to keep the films as close to the originals as possible? Why this need to mess with movie history?

    The other Brosnan gunbarrels had slightly brighter blood, which is pretty much how they all look on DVD and Blu-ray. Only in the cinema did GE's blood look so dark, almost like the same shade as the CR gunbarrel blood.

    Good to see they didn't change all of them (too much)! I've always liked the GE gunbarrel (music aside), and it would be interesting to see a version that's closer to the cinema release.
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I think as the films get older, it must be more difficult to try and restore the films to their original glory. Apparently, the original negative for DR NO was in pretty good shape, hence the Blu-ray of that film does look pretty faithful to the cinematic prints I've seen.

    That's true of course. Interesting that the negative of the oldest of the films was in such good shape! Do you know if there were any negatives that weren't as good?
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Interestingly, the 1992 MGM/UA Home Video "remastered version" changed the titles a bit. The "starring Sean Connery" title card changed those circled 007's from red to green. Some of the colorful dots were changed in that version as well.

    This seems like a very unnecessary thing to do! Can't see why changing the colours would be a good idea at all, really.
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    As far as sound remixing, the digital audio tracks have substantial differences: the door opening as Largo enters the Spectre meeting was added, diminishing his footsteps. the cat's meow in the DAF PTS is different. The music re-mix after Bond leaps over the crocodiles in LALD. There's probably more.

    I believe there is an interview somewhere with Norman Wanstall where he lamented the changes for the UE DVD's. Graham Rye also had an article for 007 magazine describing the changes. I imagine it might still be on that website somewhere.

    This is just incredible. Can't say I've noticed this, but knowing now that they've altered on so much, It'll be difficult to see the films in the same way!

    The Lowery restoration feature on the DN Blu-ray seems to mention the quality of DN specifically. Some of the other films were more difficult to restore, but I don't believe they specified.

    Thanks for the info! Maybe one day we'll hear more about this.
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I've also noticed on YOLT, as Bond is about to exit M's office he says "Yes, Sir" twice. His inflection is different both times in the original mono track. In the remastered digital audio, they simply repeat his first reading of the line. Odd.

    Very odd, indeed! Something EON wanted them to do, perhaps?
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    This conversation has me curious about my CBS/Fox VHS of

    OHMSS

    Popping it in......................

    Early '80's UA logo with the music.

    Gun barrel is squeezed....blood is a bit scarlet.


    Okay................Portugal beach scene looks like sunrise. More golden than that awful blue.

    Pan and scan
    Overall the scene is brighter than the 2006 UE DVD.

    My television is calibrated to "STANDARD". The "MOVIES" setting is my other go -to. The temperature on that setting is warm.

    Great PTS, BTW. One of my favorites.

    Lazenby is the man.

    Diana Rigg is in my top 5 fave Bond girls.


  • edited September 2018 Posts: 15,851
    When Laze walks into the hotel he commands the entire lobby the way Sean did. George is the man.

    I've been practicing my Bondian entrance whenever I go somewhere; work, shopping, etc I base it on George here.

    There is a softness to this VHS version also an even quality. The colors are natural and look like film compared to an overly digital transfer. The sound is excellent.
    If this version had the sharpness of a Blu-ray, and were anamorphic wide-screen we'd have something here.

    The gun-barrel blood did look a bit too scarlet, though. On the big screen in 35mm, the blood is rich, thick and undeniably RED. All the Binder gunbarrels had that redness to the blood. Even with the crappiest of prints, the gun barrel blood looked impressive in 35 mm. I once saw a pretty beat up print of THUNDERBALL screened, and the gunbarrel blood still looked beautiful.

    One of the reasons I'm watching this version is TODAY, September 1st, is the 33rd anniversary of the very first time I saw OHMSS.

    ABC airing Sunday Night September 1st, 1985.

    Raymond Benson's JAMES BOND BEDSIDE COMPANION got me more than interested in this classic Bond film that had eluded me. I was not disappointed. I loved OHMSS from the start. Great Bond film!

    The CBS/Fox edition looks a bit more like the ABC copy.
    It wasn't the infamous re-edit though.
  • mattjoesmattjoes matjoevakia
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    This seems like a very unnecessary thing to do! Can't see why changing the colours would be a good idea at all, really.
    My impression is plenty of old films on Blu-Ray today have their colors tampered with to make them look more modern. For instance, some eighties films that used to look more pink now have these cool blues. I could be wrong, however.
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    This seems like a very unnecessary thing to do! Can't see why changing the colours would be a good idea at all, really.
    My impression is plenty of old films on Blu-Ray today have their colors tampered with to make them look more modern. For instance, some eighties films that used to look more pink now have these cool blues. I could be wrong, however.

    I agree. A shame really because so many modern films look dull in the color department, often given a bluish hue throughout.
    Classic Technicolor is quite striking. GOLDFINGER looks amazing in 35mm on the big screen. The greens Stoke Poges really pop, and the flesh tones are extremely life-like.
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    Bond breaks into Gumbold's office. One of my favorite scenes.

    That's a huge safe-cracker device he uses here.
    Great Barry score- I tend to hum it a lot when I'm walking around.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    I hate it when they adjust the colours of old films. The old colours are a huge part of their beauty. It is the same with comics that get reprinted.
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    @ToTheRight Good point about Laz's walk. He had no problems looking confident, that's for sure!
    mattjoes wrote: »
    This seems like a very unnecessary thing to do! Can't see why changing the colours would be a good idea at all, really.
    My impression is plenty of old films on Blu-Ray today have their colors tampered with to make them look more modern. For instance, some eighties films that used to look more pink now have these cool blues. I could be wrong, however.

    Good point. It's a shame they feel the need to do so. If a film is from the 80's I want it to look like a film from that period, not something else.
    I hate it when they adjust the colours of old films. The old colours are a huge part of their beauty. It is the same with comics that get reprinted.

    Hell yes! That often also means downscaling the format or cheaper paper, etc.
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Bond breaks into Gumbold's office. One of my favorite scenes.

    That's a huge safe-cracker device he uses here.
    Great Barry score- I tend to hum it a lot when I'm walking around.

    Love that scene. Everything about it is perfect.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Bond breaks into Gumbold's office. One of my favorite scenes.

    That's a huge safe-cracker device he uses here.
    Great Barry score- I tend to hum it a lot when I'm walking around.

    Love that scene. Everything about it is perfect.

    Funny that some tv channels (not here in Norway AFAIK) have cut that scene to make room for more ads.
  • edited September 2018 Posts: 17,357
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Bond breaks into Gumbold's office. One of my favorite scenes.

    That's a huge safe-cracker device he uses here.
    Great Barry score- I tend to hum it a lot when I'm walking around.

    Love that scene. Everything about it is perfect.

    Funny that some tv channels (not here in Norway AFAIK) have cut that scene to make room for more ads.

    Have they?!
    Long time since I watched OHMSS on TV, so I don't know what's common practice here. Have they cut out other scenes from other films here in Norway?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    edited September 2018 Posts: 45,489
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Bond breaks into Gumbold's office. One of my favorite scenes.

    That's a huge safe-cracker device he uses here.
    Great Barry score- I tend to hum it a lot when I'm walking around.

    Love that scene. Everything about it is perfect.

    Funny that some tv channels (not here in Norway AFAIK) have cut that scene to make room for more ads.

    Have they?!
    Long time since I watched OHMSS on TV, so I don't know what's common practice here. Have they cut out other scenes from other films here in Norway?

    I have never noticed, but read on this board that the Gumbold office scene has been deleted on tv in the USA.

    The end credits have been cut out here to make room for announcements of upcoming shows. Not equally insane, but I don t like that, either.
  • Posts: 17,357
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Bond breaks into Gumbold's office. One of my favorite scenes.

    That's a huge safe-cracker device he uses here.
    Great Barry score- I tend to hum it a lot when I'm walking around.

    Love that scene. Everything about it is perfect.

    Funny that some tv channels (not here in Norway AFAIK) have cut that scene to make room for more ads.

    Have they?!
    Long time since I watched OHMSS on TV, so I don't know what's common practice here. Have they cut out other scenes from other films here in Norway?

    I have never noticed, but read on this board that the Gumbold office scene has been deleted on tv in the USA.

    The end credits have been cut out here to make room for announcements of upcoming shows. Not equally insane, but I don t like that, either.

    American channels and their ads… I've heard there's much more ads on American TV than here.

    Yeah, I don't like the end credits being cut, but that's a whole lot better than removing scenes in the middle of the film.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    SKYFALL

    PTS: in the top five or six. The camera captures the obstacles and everything moves forward to Bond’s assassination.

    Title credits: lovely and tells Bond’s story... love it...

    After titles: things are allowed to breathe. The obituary. The rain. The next day being called to the Headmaster’s study so we can meet Mallory...

    The story moves forward.

    M gets her dressing down. But she’s defiant.

    Very sophisticated film with characters (you’re firing me)...

    Every time I watch M say she will leave when the job’s done, she there, always reminds me of Bond. He will never leave until it’s done.

    Silva’s first attack... M’s impatient... explosion... something she’s never dealt with... she’s at a loss...
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    We meet damaged Bond, stuck in purgatory, on his way to Hell, but...

    He sees the attack on his home and begins his ascent...
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Skyfall moves seamlessly
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I like that it’s all metaphorical , and grounded at the same time
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    M is on a mission— she will find who killed her agents
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