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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    There are a few moments where this film is great, it's a frustrating film
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Michele should have got more scenes
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Stealth Ship... that moment when you remember why this film is not great.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Carver mocking Martial Arts is one of the most cringe worthy things Bond.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    The finale to TND is cheap
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I feel sorry for PB he was handed utter garbage
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    What’s not exciting about the finale? Guns blazing, explosions, military supervillain base, nuclear missile, henchman, Bond in full commando mode... It’s everything I’d want from
    a Bond finale.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    What’s not exciting about the finale? Guns blazing, explosions, military supervillain base, nuclear missile, henchman, Bond in full commando mode... It’s everything I’d want from
    a Bond finale.

    It just looks cheap TSWLM did the same and looked better.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Love Surrender track it's a crime it was not the main theme.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    What’s not exciting about the finale? Guns blazing, explosions, military supervillain base, nuclear missile, henchman, Bond in full commando mode... It’s everything I’d want from
    a Bond finale.

    It just looks cheap TSWLM did the same and looked better.
    It certainly did do it far better and that's the problem with TND. While TSWLM arguably bettered YOLT, which it was based on, TND doesn't better its predecessors. It comes across cliched and by the numbers to me, as if they're just checking the boxes. Fan service rather than passionate film making. That's unforgivable.

    To my eyes, the same thing applies to SP. It comes across to me as though they're doing a favour by throwing the red meat to us rabid fans while they focus on all the psychological and thematic stuff. As if they don't credit us with enough intelligence to see through the obvious lack of interest. Pastiche.

    There's a trick to formula and it only works well if there's a real understanding behind it and a passion for it. The conception, direction & delivery is critical to make it at least 'seem fresh', precisely because it 'isn't fresh'.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    What’s not exciting about the finale? Guns blazing, explosions, military supervillain base, nuclear missile, henchman, Bond in full commando mode... It’s everything I’d want from
    a Bond finale.

    It just looks cheap TSWLM did the same and looked better.
    It certainly did do it far better and that's the problem with TND. While TSWLM arguably bettered YOLT, which it was based on, TND doesn't better its predecessors. It comes across cliched and by the numbers to me, as if they're just checking the boxes. Fan service rather than passionate film making. That's unforgivable.

    To my eyes, the same thing applies to SP. It comes across to me as though they're doing a favour by throwing the red meat to us rabid fans while they focus on all the psychological and thematic stuff. As if they don't credit us with enough intelligence to see through the obvious lack of interest. Pastiche.

    There's a trick to formula and it only works well if there's a real understanding behind it and a passion for it. The conception, direction & delivery is critical to make it at least 'seem fresh', precisely because it 'isn't fresh'.

    Blofelds base in SP really is underused, it's a blink and you will miss it scene, I wish a great finale had been staged at Blofelds lair rather than London, Blofeld could have easily put photos up of his minions in his own base with less hassle.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Decided to resume SF whilst at work, despite my issues with the film DC is much better in this than SP. The boat scene is decent, also the music playing during the wide shots.

    I am not keen the Silva character or his convoluted plan.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    The island set is good and atmospheric.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    For all Silva bragging could he not detect an approaching fleet of helicopters, I know he apparently wanted to get caught, I just don't buy that or the million other coincidences in this film.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Dench M is painted badly in this film
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I am not sure the writers realised how unsympathetic M would end up coming across.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Well done Q plug Silva's drive into your seemingly unprotected network.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    I wish SF was more beloved by the fans.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I struggle with its logic though visually it looks good.
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    I struggle with its logic though visually it looks good.

    It is the best looking bond films and perhaps one of the best looking films of all time. They are really amazing scenes in the film ( the casino sequence, meeting Silva for the first time, parts of the finale, the pts) this film is shot incredibly and the colors are great. However, the logic is so trash that this film really lets me down and floats around 20th place for me in the rankings so I see what your saying.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    British intelligence comes across as not very effective, and Bonds plan to protect M is daft, M could have just flown out of the country, Bond puts M in serious danger at the dilapidated Skyfall.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    I struggle with its logic though visually it looks good.

    It is the best looking bond films and perhaps one of the best looking films of all time. They are really amazing scenes in the film ( the casino sequence, meeting Silva for the first time, parts of the finale, the pts) this film is shot incredibly and the colors are great. However, the logic is so trash that this film really lets me down and floats around 20th place for me in the rankings so I see what your saying.
    It should have been so much better that's the frustration.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Cue A-Team/Home Alone montage
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited January 2018 Posts: 23,883
    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    I struggle with its logic though visually it looks good.

    It is the best looking bond films and perhaps one of the best looking films of all time.
    I woudn't go quite that far. I'd say it's the best looking film since Babs took over the helm. I find some of the 60s and late 70s films to be better visually.
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Dench M is painted badly in this film
    I quite agree. In QoS she was still very much Bonds boss, and had a steely authority about her despite being taken aback by Quantums existence and having "people everywhere!". In SF she comes across as weak and rather pathetic. And I cringe watching her making those home made bombs in the finale! Just didn't seem right. Lost all respect for Denchs M in SF and was one of the few who didn't mourn her death in the finale!

  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Dench M is painted badly in this film
    I quite agree. In QoS she was still very much Bonds boss, and had a steely authority about her despite being taken aback by Quantums existence and having "people everywhere!". In SF she comes across as weak and rather pathetic. And I cringe watching her making those home made bombs in the finale! Just didn't seem right. Lost all respect for Denchs M in SF and was one of the few who didn't mourn her death in the finale!

    In addition my biggest problem with her character being that she seems to be in love with bond and thinks that he can do no wrong. She likes him in QOS but is still harsh and the ruling figure while she’s like a child in skyfall
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    JamesBondKenya wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Fire_and_Ice_Returns wrote: »
    Dench M is painted badly in this film
    I quite agree. In QoS she was still very much Bonds boss, and had a steely authority about her despite being taken aback by Quantums existence and having "people everywhere!". In SF she comes across as weak and rather pathetic. And I cringe watching her making those home made bombs in the finale! Just didn't seem right. Lost all respect for Denchs M in SF and was one of the few who didn't mourn her death in the finale!

    In addition my biggest problem with her character being that she seems to be in love with bond and thinks that he can do no wrong. She likes him in QOS but is still harsh and the ruling figure while she’s like a child in skyfall
    I believe such feelings are reciprocated, at least on the basis of the waterworks which greeted her death (he shed more tears in the church than he did for beloved Vesper).
  • JamesBondKenyaJamesBondKenya Danny Boyle laughs to himself
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    @bondjames definitely, but I don’t feel that it’s earned or at least we aren't shown them growing closer but rather their attitudes from the past two films are just dropped entirely. I guess an argument can be made that she was harsh at the start of the film, hence take the bloody shot, and that’s why she softened up but then when bond meets her in her home she is very cold “ do you expect a bloody apology- your not sleeping here” and then after that, bond fails all the tests and she’s just like oh he’s the best I’ll send him out anyway.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @JamesBondKenya, I was just joking actually.

    The Bond/M relationship is an interesting one. It's more like family (mother/son even) than boss/employee. They can be curt and brutally honest with one another but deep down there's a mutual understanding of either party's strengths and faults. 'Take the bloody shot' was M panicking and making a bad call under pressure, and Bond made her aware of that when he returned.

    Her behaviour when he showed up at her apartment is just English humour/sarcasm. It got a laugh out of most of the people in the theatre I was in at least.

    Deep down they had a deep respect and trust for one another, forged from CR onwards.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    She threw him out of her apartment, and he still invited her to his family estate.
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